Tim Cook Says 250 Apple Employees Are 'Dreamers' as Donald Trump's Decision on DACA Nears

[cgsnipinva]

A quick search would show you countless articles of us citizens illegally living in Mexico. It’s an open dirty secret.

Provide a link -- would be interested - but if you read my post on Mexican immigration laws and Constitution -- they would be put in jail.

Your statement is not based on fact and you were too lazy to even try to back it up with fact or links. I don't think there is any American who would need to "illegally retire" in Mexico. People who retire in another country have a lot of money and wouldn't need to immigrate illegally into Mexico.

Your statement is absurd.

 

[hudson1]

Oh you mean like the Spanish, English, Portuguese and French did to the indigenous peoples of the New World?

The indigenous peoples of America engaged in killing between tribes/nations more than the European settlers who came here. It's an ugly truth that's rarely taught.

 

[jlasoon]

People are heartless mofos, aren't they?
People don't bat an eye at what Europeans did to native Americans and make excuses for what they did.

But they cannot conjure up any sympathy for people who were brought to America as infants and had 0 control of how they ended up here.

What about LEGAL immigrants who spend a small fortune doing it right? Do they not have dreams? Where's the sympathy for those doing it LEGALLY?

 

[RogerWilco]

Sometimes numbers are pleasant multiples. Sometimes they’re not. It happens because they’re…numbers.

And sometimes the numbers are just...fiction...invented to serve a talking point, by a CEO who fashions himself as so virtuous, he must tell the world about it on a regular basis.

 

[cgsnipinva]

And who created those laws? Native Americans?

Just a hunch here, I bet you don't have a passport.

Actually I do have a passport sir. Great assumption on your part but like your logic -- lacking.

The laws we are talking about are the laws made by the United States Congress and the Constitution. The only laws that matter.

The failure of the Indians to win a conflict does not delegitimize those laws. And might i add---- the illegal immigrants aren't native American -- they were already inside the country when it was formed.

 

[nia820]

You miss my point. The fact is the indians didn't control this land --- if they did they wouldn't have lost it. You have this misguided and illformed notion that just because the Europeans conquered the indians centuries ago (before the US was created btw) that we cannot control our borders or have sovereignty. ********. What country are you from?

I'm from the US of A.

No where did I imply that America doesn't have a right to protect its borders. My original post was replying to someone who said America was unsettled so therefore that somehow justifies what the Europeans did to the natives Americans.

Governed nations have land taken away from them all the time. Losing land doesn't mean you control it. Native Americans lost their land because they were out numbered
and out resourced.

 

[jlasoon]

Hey Tim, can I pay for my next iPhone with dreams?

 

[nia820]

What about LEGAL immigrants who spend a small fortune doing it right? Do they not have dreams? Where's the sympathy for those doing it LEGALLY?

Legal immigrants aren't at risk of losing their jobs and livelihood. Dreamers know nothing of their native land. They only know America. They make contributions just like any other American.

 

[2010mini]

Explain how this country was started by illegal immigrants? Please -- you need facts you cannot just toss our crap and claim its an relevant opinion.

Second -- yes - yes you can just deport them. The law affords that. The interesting thing about DACA is that you had to admit on a government form you came into the country illegally and without proper documentation. That admission of guilt precludes a hearing by an immigration judge. ICE can send them back within 3 hours under the law.

That is how the law is written and that is how it works.

Hmmm..... lemme see...... arrive on lands already inhabited by people. Declare that since they don’t have the same structure of society as us, we can just take over. If they resist, kill them. If they don’t resist, move them off the land and start building a nation.

Dunno.... sounds illegal to me as the laws of that society at that time prevented others from doing the same to them.

 

[wizard]

Hillarous post. I've met many immigrants who feel that the buck stops at them, just because they were lucky to have a relative whis a citizen and brings all his family and their cousins over they are better than dreamers and border crossers and other 'lesser people', and they feel the urge to kiss up to 'the real Americans' (read: descendants of immigrants) thinking that by this they earn their acceptance. Well guess what? You won't.

Those crying to kick out dreamers and close borders to refugees are only working their way to the Legal's; hate knows no limit, just read what happened in Kansas to the poor Indian guy who got shot to death in a bar. No, he wasn't seikh or mistaken for a Muslim, it was because he's Indian.

Your ignorance is trying to link hate to people expecting that the government should enforce the laws of the land. The fact is there are legal ways to enter this country and become naturalized! The unfortunate thing with illegal immigration is the crime associated with it and the impact it has on working people. It is really hard to compete with people that work under the table for wages well under minimum. As for crime it seems like every proponent of illegals wants to sweep the crime and terror associated with these people under the rug.

Frankly you highlight a big problem with the liberal viewpoint here, you rally around the hate demonstrated by a murder, but fail to acknowledge the massive crime problem is directly related to illegal immigration. You cant have it both ways! If you reject the crimes of people filled with hate you must also reject the crimes associated with illegal immigration. One of those crimes is the very act of coming here illegally.

 

[hudson1]

Surely these Dreamers were/are underage, so had no control over where their parents took them. Thus why punish them for where they ended up at maturity through no fault of their own. They can contribute to the economy and society by getting an education and job, just like any US citizen can. To stop them from improving their lives, and contribute to society, helps no one.

That's why Cook is on the right side of history here, while Trump is sounding and looking needlessly vitriolic and is effectively standing on his own.

Two points:

1) Giving carte blanche to people who came to this country, even at an early age, only encourages more to follow. That solves nothing.

2) Trump hasn't decided anything so no reason to assume what he'll declare.

 

[cgsnipinva]

I'm from the US of A.

No where did I imply that America doesn't have a right to protect its borders. My original post was replying to someone who said America was unsettled so therefore that somehow justifies what the Europeans did to the natives Americans.

Governed nations have land taken away from them all the time. Losing land doesn't mean you control it. Native Americans lost their land because they were out numbered
and out resourced.

Ummm...... actually at the time of European settlement -- the Indians outnumbered the Europeans. The difference was Europeans created governing entities and were unified. Indian tribes fought amongst each other (some even siding with the Europeans to help defeat their native American competitors. )

Add to that --- the fact the Europeans had the wheel, the horse, steel, and gunpowder.

The indians had lost the war before it started.

 

[jlasoon]

Tim will be in for a rude awakening when Trump takes away his Chinese slaves.

Note to Tim, you have bigger problems my friend!

 

[threesixty360]

There is so many misinformed board brush strokes here it hurts.

First - how do you equate enforcing legitimate immigration laws as racist. Every country has them -- just because the vast majority of the illegal immigrants may be "brown" (lovely term you use) ---- doesn't make that law or enforcing it illegitimate.

Second -- Newsflash - we had one group in Charlottesville that were aligned with racists. However throughout 2016 and since the election it has been the left wing violent fascists who have attacked people wearing a republican t-shirt or trump hat. Or enacting violence in riots. Antifa resembles the very group they claim to protest. It is evident now that the left feels power slipping away - they are getting violent. Berkley, Wisconsin, NYC, Washington DC, Chicag0 --- all the violence was started by the left wing agitators.

Third -- There has been no dehumanization of immigrants. I call BS on you sir. The only changes have been with regards to ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS who have been streaming over the border for 3o years. Now we want to control that and focus n legal immigration. They are not the same.

Fourth - No one is getting shot to death just because they are brown. Again -- a sensationalist post not grounded in fact.

1. I dont have a problem with immigration laws. I have a problem with people claiming that illegal immigrants are disproprotionately responsbile for crime. Which is what the OP said and what Trump used in his campaign.
Which is one of his justifications for building a wall.

2. The equation of anti-facists vs facists in terms of who starts or gets to use violence is (in my mind) predicated with the fact that facists/racists are absolutely intolerable and have an "end product" of wiping out all who's racial backgrounds do not fit in with their philosphy. Whereas anti-facists have the complete opposite agenda. One group is an existential threat to humanity (as has been proven through the holocaust) and the other just isnt.

3. As i said focusing on solving illegal immigration is fine and that should have nothing to do with any right wing movement. Right wing movements have agenda beyond stopping immigration. Which is why they invoke prejudicial and racists connotations in discussing immigration which lead to the dehumanising and second classing of immigrants.

4. The sole reason black lives matter exists is that black people were getting shot by police for being black. There was a video of a man who's car had broken down and was asking police for help. The commentary of the cop on the radio was that he looked scary and up to no good and was therefore gunned down in "self defence". The mans sin was to break down in a car whilst being a tall black man, thus feeding into racial stereo types held by people who are not black or brown. Thats why he is dead. And you are basically saying no one has been shot to death because of their skin colour.

And you wonder why people from the anti-fa fight people with your views?
smh..

 

[RogerWilco]

A quick search would show you countless articles of us citizens illegally living in Mexico. It’s an open secret that has been happening for years. Don’t believe me? Go research it. I didn’t think I had to provide links to something that has been reported on for decades.

Oh stop it, the minute one of those extranjeros runs out of dinero, they are gone.

 

[jonblatho]

Well their parents should have shown better judgement. Just because their parents broke our laws -- does that mean we have to take the consequences of that? Sounds like theft to me.

You may or may not know this, but lots of illegal immigrants would love to come here through legal channels but don’t have the resources (financial or otherwise) to do so. Keep in mind that their wages probably aren’t great, which is why they’d like to come here—to make money. The cost of coming here through legal channels can comfortably exceed $1,000 and often approach $5,000.

Now, say you’re a poor individual in Mexico wishing to come here for a better life. Do you have the $5,000 to come here legally? Probably not.

Anyway, immigrants—legal and otherwise—are stealing nothing from us. The net cost of illegal immigration in the United States is likely not nearly the $100+ billion figure cited by Herr Trump, which makes it a drop in the bucket. The United States is around full employment at this time; finding a job can be difficult because there’s a mismatch between qualifications sought and qualifications possessed.

I do see your loaded use of the word theft to ride on the “immigrants are criminals” bandwagon, though.

 

[hudson1]

Says the white guy ready to kill the natives in this "unsettled $ ungoverned" land.

If you look from the perspective of the Native Americans, the uncivilized $ unsettled people were the white folks.


Every one will agree that the civilization that has settled in this land before the white barbarians arrived was self governed, and most definitely had no need for the white guy to come and kill them, put them in camps, discriminate them, and take their land and way of life away from them.

You're right, they didn't need European settlers to do this. They were already quite accomplished at it on their own.

 

[nia820]

Ummm...... actually at the time of European settlement -- the Indians outnumbered the Europeans. The difference was Europeans created governing entities and were unified. Indian tribes fought amongst each other (some even siding with the Europeans to help defeat their native American competitors. )

Add to that --- the fact the Europeans had the wheel, the horse, steel, and gunpowder.

The indians had lost the war before it started.

You're missing the point. Europeans had no business taking anything from them.

 

[jlasoon]

This coming from the same guy who manufactures phones using a facility that had to install NETS to keep workers from swan diving out the building.

Yes, you have the moral high ground Tim.

 

[e-coli]

Hey Tim, can I pay for my next iPhone with dreams?

Smh. What is wrong with you? We're talking about human beings.

 

[wizard]

This is simply wrong. Dreamers in many cases have come here recently all on their own. Encourage by an ignorant president that wanted to thumb his nose at long standing immigration law.

As for making a contribution that isn't a universal reality. In many cases you just have another tax burden that is functionally useless as a human being. In the end illegal immigration from Mexico has done more harm than good. It is especially harmful in a down economy and varies with the illegal population density in anyone community. In general though illegal immigration is a big negative in our communities.

Legal immigrants aren't at risk of losing their jobs and livelihood. Dreamers know nothing of their native land. They only know America. They make contributions just like any other American.

i

 

[jonblatho]

And sometimes the numbers are just...fiction...invented to serve a talking point, by a CEO who fashions himself as so virtuous, he must tell the world about it on a regular basis.

So, let’s get real crazy here and say that the number was 246 instead of 250. The last number we have for Apple’s employment was fiscal 2016: 116,000.

That yields 0.212% instead of 0.216%.

Whoa, huge difference.

 

[blacktape242]

SJW tim cook is so annoying.

 

[cgsnipinva]

You may or may not know this, but lots of illegal immigrants would love to come here through legal channels but don’t have the resources (financial or otherwise) to do so. Keep in mind that their wages probably aren’t great, which is why they’d like to come here—to make money. The cost of coming here through legal channels can comfortably exceed $1,000 and often approach $5,000.

Now, say you’re a poor individual in Mexico wishing to come here for a better life. Do you have the $5,000 to come here legally? Probably not.

Anyway, immigrants—legal and otherwise—are stealing nothing from us. The net cost of illegal immigration in the United States is likely not nearly the $100+ billion figure cited by Herr Trump, which makes it a drop in the bucket. The United States is around full employment at this time; finding a job can be difficult because there’s a mismatch between qualifications sought and qualifications possessed.

I do see your loaded use of the word theft to ride on the “immigrants are criminals” bandwagon, though.

Your point has some -- some -- validity to it. But its irrelevant. You haven't grasped the central concept here-- IMMIGRATION INTO A COUNTRY IS NOT A RIGHT. Just because you don't have the money or maybe cannot finish the legal process is not a reason or rationale for illegal immigration. Immigration is supposed to serve the interest of the citizens in the hosting country. Not the interests of the immigrant.

If you think the US is at full employment with 8 years of historic non-participation of labor you are an economic illiterate. Drive through different parts of this nation - many are hurting. They deserve our sympathy and attention before illegal immigrants.

End of story,

 

[jlasoon]

Smh. What is wrong with you? We're talking about human beings.

Yes, and I'm a LEGAL immigrant who spent a fortune coming to this country. Multiple interviews, countless lawyers, a process that took nearly 10 f'n years. Don't give me this BS about feelings.

To the back of the line!