Semantics and doesn't make one bit of difference. They are illegal aliens and so are the kids they caravanned over the border or had illegally after sneaking across.
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Tim Cook Says 250 Apple Employees Are 'Dreamers' as Donald Trump's Decision on DACA Nears
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I can't recall a bad interaction I have had with any Apple employee. From the door greeter at the Apple Store to SVPs (want to say "to the CEO", but I have't met Tim Cook personally...), all Apple team members I have encountered have been 100% professional and conducted themselves with integrity. If I saw a job candidate had experience working at Apple at any level, you can bet their resume would move to the top of the pile. These are 250 Americans who may be deported here, and they are 250 of the "best of the best". There's a decent chance we'll be deporting the next Steve Jobs or Elon Musk. That's insanity. They are Americans and they should stay.
I have to stop you right there. There is no "radical far-left" in the United States. You will find that in North Korea and Venezuela and even some Central European countries but not here. The Tea Party and Freedom Caucus, with the flood of Koch brothers money and a terrible Citizens United decision, has taken the GOP very far-right. So much so that to Fox News viewers and fans of right-wing radio and ultra-nationalist outlets like Breitbart, moderate Republicans are considered leftist or RINOs and Democrats are all "crazy far-left." This is really a bunch of nonsense produced by the very strong propaganda of the GOP and Fox. In this era it really isn't so much of a stretch to call Fox state media. Watching primetime shows you would think you're watching Первый канал, Russian for Channel One.
As for DACA, it was no farce. It was a compassionate attempt to do something about the millions of kids already here who want to have a future. Many of them have no memories of Mexico and it is not their country anymore. Deporting them to a country where they did not come of age is ridiculous and a waste of taxpayer money since these kids have been educated by our public school system and are qualified to work and live a productive life here. We obviously will never have any sort of consensus on this issue so these are my last remarks on this issue.
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Also Sir, the Democrats weren't the ones who invented WMDs and led us on a disastrous path that has resulted in the complete destabilization of the Middle East all while giving the wealthy huge tax cuts. A complete recipe for disaster. This country is lucky that under two Obama administrations the country was moved in the right direction not only with respect to the economy but also social issues as well. Social issues that our European counterparts had resolved a long time ago.
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If that was true and DACA would have such an impact - it wasn't a long term "fix", then Tim or Apple should have had resources available for these folks to use to become "legal". This is political grandstanding from TC. Not Apple.
Umm if that is your argument I can tell you have just conceded you cannot make a valid argument
So in your mind we should just ignore laws? Or in reality -- this is something you tell yourself when you don't agree with a law. You have to find someway to delegitimize it.
Ok --- then I guess we can ignore paying taxes -- I mean that was passed by someone who was rich---- No?
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Hehehe. You still don't get it.
And their representation in the political class is disproportionate. Fortunately, one of the nation's worst was sent packing in the 2016 election. Hopefully she and her sociopath husband are gone for good.
DACA doesn't grant citizenship. It's literally in the title "Deferred Action."
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Children born in the United States are automatically U.S. citizens.
(One caveat, children born to diplomats or other government officials may be be conferred U.S. citizenship.)
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Because you imply people of a certain social status are illegal aliens before they are human beings. That's about as disgusting as it gets.
What are you suggesting here? Are you implying that companies (e.g. Mr. Cook's Apple, FB, Tesla, etc.) exploit these DACA folks by employing them at substandard wages? That would be terribly cruel and most unfair. Where are the SJWs demanding equal pay for these silent victims of corporate greed?
Oh, it's just more Sillycon Valley hypocrisy -- never mind.
Freaking right on man. I found the entirety of your post to be very refreshing. It's nice to know that there are people out there that have the capacity to think for themselves rather than just spew out what they read from a leftist propaganda media outlet.
Lol! "I got stuck with one of those 'Dreamers' because there weren't enough geniuses... damn kid just restarted my phone forty times... it's still cracked" ... said everyone's parents or inlaws!
I see, when the pilgrims landed, the proposition that there were already humans here was #fakenews. Gotcha.
Wow there are some terrible human beings on this forum. This post is about 250 WITH Jobs - not benefit scroungers ( not that the USA has any social care anyway )
This Thread needs to be shut down, deleted and burnt forever.
I find it utterly hilarious that the USA lives ( well used to live ) by the phrase "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free."
And the self-satisfied very forgetful Descendants of those very huddled masses have now voted in a Pathetic ignorant Game Show host to your highest office who may well start a major war via Twitter. It would make an incredible black comedy if it wasn't so horribly painfully true.
And just as a point of note - I am a pretty "conservative" person.
This Thread needs to be shut down, deleted and burnt forever.
I find it utterly hilarious that the USA lives ( well used to live ) by the phrase "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free."
And the self-satisfied very forgetful Descendants of those very huddled masses have now voted in a Pathetic ignorant Game Show host to your highest office who may well start a major war via Twitter. It would make an incredible black comedy if it wasn't so horribly painfully true.
And just as a point of note - I am a pretty "conservative" person.
Being at the receiving end of law enforcement is never fun. Just curious, what happens to people who are living in the U.K. illegally, working a job, when they are discovered? Breakfast at Buckingham Palace?
Actually, most DACA recipients reported that their wages increased significantly, and that rescission would hurt DACA recipients substantially.
While the US constitution says that ^^^, everything is open to interpretation (or conditional). If I'm not mistaken, courts have decided that even though they were born here, if their parent(s) weren't here legally, it doesn't apply to them.
That's not correct.
Children born in the U.S. are citizens, with only one exception, children born to diplomats and other recognized government officials are not automatically granted citizenship.
In some cases, citizenship appears complicated—for instance, Sen. John McCain was born on a military base in Panama.
He was a citizen because his parents were both citizens, however, there was some question about whether he was "natural born" as required by the U.S. Constitution. Congress put forth a resolution indicating that he was so to ensure that McCain could run for president in Nov. 2008.
Immigrants who came illegally as children may be eligible for DACA.
If their parents apply for citizenship successfully, and they are under 18 years of age, they become citizens through process known as derivative citizenship.
Apple employs only 250 of them and I’m sure that they DO pay them fairly, BUT most of these DACA people do NOT work in Silicon Valley. Many of them do the jobs Americans don’t want: roofers, plumbers, produce-harvesters, factory workers etc. So if you kick all of em out, not only are you being immoral, but you’re also causing prices of goods to go up and you’re also going to be paying a hell of a lot more for services. It’s supply and demand.
Your current Law is that they have the RIGHT to work in the USA. Herr Trump may choose to change that.
in the UK they have the right to obtain a Visa if they are under 18... Buckingham Palace.... No? For voting for the Blonde Buffoon Billionaire who doesn't actually give a toss about the Man in the street do you get Chance to play golf with him on one of his days off? He takes enough of them so I am sure he can get round to you all.
What he said was 100% fact-free conjecture. It was literally just a word salad of generalizations unmoored from any reality. And that link Menopause posted didn't even qualify as pseudo-science. It was baseless nonsense devoid of any data. How is that compelling? Have some dignity. Don't hitch your reputation to a charlatan.
This does not appear to be correct. According to the largest study done covering DACA recipients:
Nearly 61 percent of DACA recipients reported that they sought education after receiving the deferred action and work permit, and nearly 37 percent reported that they would seek more education.
About 22 percent have earned a bachelor's degree, and another 26 percent have take "some college." Another 16.4 percent have attained associates degrees.
Of those still in school, more than 55 percent are earning bachelor's degrees, and nearly 12 percent are earning master's degrees.
Nearly 87 percent are currently employed. Of those, roughly 21 percent are in "educational and health services." The next largest group, about 9 percent is in "retail and trade" while only about 1 percent report working in "Agriculture, forestry, fishing, hunting."
Overall, all DACA recipients reported that their wages increased on average 42 percent.
DACA is not a law, it's a policy put in place by the Obama administration to evade existing immigration protocols and laws. Are you telling me that a person living/working in the U.K. illegally can simply apply for a visa when they are discovered by the immigration authorities? With no penalty?
point taken, but the statistics of, more broadly, undocumented workers supports my point. https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...e745911a4ff_story.html?utm_term=.4f87aa6939ee
“Nationwide, Pew reported, the portion of unauthorized workers in professional or business jobs — including sales and office support — grew from 10 to 13 percent, while the portion in production and construction declined from 34 to 29 percent. As in the past, though, it said “a solid majority” still toil at low-wage jobs including farm labor.”
DACA is not a law, but rather a policy. However, to argue that it evades existing immigration protocols and laws is a misunderstanding of U.S. immigration law and policy under the INA.
U.S. immigration authorities have the ability to decide on a case-by-case basis a number of strictures that can allow a person to stay in the United States, including humanitarian parole, parole in place, and deferred action. Legally speaking, EOIR and USCIS can choose to grant someone asylum or refugee status, or TPS.
In all cases, the complexities of civil immigration law mean that U.S. authorities have discretion and anyone who tells you "the law is the law" is making a political point, not a legal one.
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Using the data from the larger population entirely misses the point of DACA—it included a work permit.
The rest of the unauthorized population tends to stay in lower tier jobs with lower pay in part because of their immigration status, and the difficulty in attaining higher education.
The whole value of DACA is that it allowed nearly 1 million people to legally work and go to school, and a huge majority of them went to school and started making more money.
And, note from the WaPo, the number of people in agriculture jobs are dropping, even as the number of unauthorized people in other sectors are increasing.
picture if 800,000 Americans would move to Mexico or China or any other country illegally and expect citizenship, free schools, healthcare, housing etc.
they will be tortured and killed before even passing the border
Globalist Tim wants the USA to become a welfare cesspool and destroy Americans
they will be tortured and killed before even passing the border
Globalist Tim wants the USA to become a welfare cesspool and destroy Americans