Tim Cook Says 250 Apple Employees Are 'Dreamers' as Donald Trump's Decision on DACA Nears

[zorinlynx]

I am opposed to the rampant, uncontrolled opening of the floodgates, especially as now when there are no controls in place to prevent a big influx from parts of the world who hate my nation's culture so much that they see nothing wrong with coming here, not assimilating, and instead committing terror acts in my country's streets, at schools, concerts, or at softball practices.

The thing here is I actually agree with this point. We should have good border controls in place to keep people from coming in undocumented. I can completely understand this.

However, the fact is we have people here who already got in many years ago, with children who grew up here and are basically Americans in all ways but legal. We should be compassionate to these people and give them a path to citizenship because it's morally wrong to send them back to a country they do not know.

In fact, tightening border security will be a good thing because we will prevent this situation from occurring in the future. But these people are already here in this country and don't deserve to be punished for their parents' actions. Let's help them become legal.

 

[Flight Plan]

Pardon? I may be hopeful here but I’m after adult conversation, cheers.

The quote thing borked.

The question was, "What's an SJW?"
Answer: "Social Justice Warrior"
Followup Question (I thought): "What's That?"
My Answer: "Guys who can't get a date."

Meaning: SJW pushes weakness as a virtue. "Guys who can't get a date" is an euphamism; nothing more. If you want to see actual SJW'ers, YooToob has tons of them. That's all that's left, pretty much, since YT has de-monitized conservative talk.
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The thing here is I actually agree with this point. We should have good border controls in place to keep people from coming in undocumented. I can completely understand this.

However, the fact is we have people here who already got in many years ago, with children who grew up here and are basically Americans in all ways but legal. We should be compassionate to these people and give them a path to citizenship because it's morally wrong to send them back to a country they do not know.

In fact, tightening border security will be a good thing because we will prevent this situation from occurring in the future. But these people are already here in this country and don't deserve to be punished for their parents' actions. Let's help them become legal.

I want to agree with you, except for this: Weakening our nation in the name of your compassion is dangerous. Letting people off the hook for bad decisions will do nothing to change human behavior. This is part of the tough decision making that we need to be willing to do if we want to keep our country.

 

[cgsnipinva]

No flaw at all, I’m pointing out immigrants. That’s what we’re talking about right, without any precursor words? You’re an immigrant. Nothing makes you different to a 2nd or 3rd generation immigrant. You should look into the people who used to own America, research your heritage.
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What’s that?

There is no such term as 2nd, 3rd, or fourth generation immigrant -- you are only an immigrant if you exist in a country in which you were not born. You are conflating terms.

 

[e-coli]

I have a very fundamental question - why don't all of these hard working, intelligent, creative "dreamer types" stay in their country and

FIX THEIR COUNTRY instead of coming over to ours? We did it, why can't they?

Let those "tired / poor / yearning to be free" stay home and create their utopia there.

They were CHILDREN when they were brought here. I don't see too many toddlers unpacking the societal implications of the prison industrial complex.

 

[larrylaffer]

Are you serious? Like do you honestly not have a clue about world history or something? There is a distinct difference between moving into an unsettled & ungoverned land and sneaking into an established country with laws and government.

So like, did the pilgrims just teach themselves how to grow corn?

 

[Naraxus]

Smh. What is wrong with you? We're talking about human beings.

No. We're talking about illegal aliens

 

[HallStevenson]

You’re an immigrant.

No, he or she is not. They were born in the US and currently lives in the US. Even by strict interpretation of the US Constitution, they are in fact a citizen of the US, with 100% standing. Now, when parents are here illegally, this has been questioned if it still applies but I won't go there in this discussion.

Are you confusing citizenship with immigration ?

 

[Flight Plan]

So like, did the pilgrims just teach themselves how to grow corn?

I'll say it: Fake News. Nobody was growing fields of corn in Massachusetts or Rhode Island when the pilgrims came here.

And it's not relevant to the question anyway, unless you want to use it to demonstrate how critical a strong defense is.

 

[gnasher729]

Back in May, Apple was listed as having around 77000 US employees.

That means only .325 % of the employees would be affected by the decision.

If 0.325% of his 77,000 employees are affected, then Cook is absolutely right to get involved here.

 

[mixel]

No. We're talking about illegal aliens

.. Who aren’t humans?

 

[Tapiture]

There are some truly disgusting comments on this thread. These people come here and work 3x as hard as most of you and in many cases make a third as much, and you want to kick them out of what they know as home for no reason other than their nationality. Whatever. Just prepare to pay a lot more for food and good luck finding labor to fix all the houses destroyed in the hurricane.

 

[0098386]

There is no such term as 2nd, 3rd, or fourth generation immigrant -- you are only an immigrant if you exist in a country in which you were not born. You are conflating terms.

Not at all. It’s a common term, I’m surprised you haven’t come across it before.

 

[Labeno]

Hi Tim,
What about the other 300,000 employees... are you saying they are not dreamers? What exactly do you mean by "Dreamers".
- Non-american citizens (world wide employees). That's not very diversified.
- Legal immigrants. I though you were about immigration.
- Illegal (undocumented) immigrants. Shouldn't they follow the same rules as legal immigrants and qualify to enter in the US to avoid being unfair to legal immigrants who worked hard to qualify?

Doesn't seem like any of those others are very ethical.
What am I missing?

 

[0098386]

There are some truly disgusting comments on this thread. These people come here and work 3x as hard as most of you and in many cases make a third as much, and you want to kick them out of what they know as home for no reason other than their nationality.

America was losing its fat and lazy image, which was great! Problem is their new international image is one of a sociopath. That’s the only fitting word for it.

 

[Flight Plan]

.. Who aren’t humans?

Human behavior is less adaptable than a river's path, but it WILL change. Changing it is needed here. Fear of doing the right thing "because humans!" will get us nowhere and will do nothing toward solving the problem.

All people need to know that somebody in this world has higher standards and is willing to enforce those standards.

The behavior needs to be changed for now and the future, and that will require people willing to be strong and willing to reject mere "compassion for compassion's sake".

 

[0098386]

Meaning: SJW pushes weakness as a virtue.

I’m sorry this makes no sense. What do you mean by it?

 

[chrono1081]

I'll say this right at the onset: Tim Cook needs to give his left liberal political pandering since November 2016 a bloody effing break.

It's pathetic people like you consider treating others humanely and giving them opportunities they otherwise wouldn't have "liberal pandering".

That speaks volumes about your political party.

 

[Flight Plan]

America was losing its fat and lazy image, which was great! Problem is their new international image is one of a sociopath. That’s the only fitting word for it.

No, America is going through a metamorphosis. A necessary one.

You said you wanted conversation, but insulting my country won't help us reach an understanding with each other.
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It's pathetic people like you consider treating others humanely and giving them opportunities they otherwise wouldn't have "liberal pandering".

That speaks volumes about your political party.

It's his personal opinion. Lay off his party; you probably don't even know which it is.

 

[thisisnotmyname]

Get this into your head - you're living in a stolen country. Unless you are a descendant of Native Americans - you are no more of a "real American" than those kids, whose parents have crossed the US/Mexican border. "Might makes right" is no argument for anything.

And since you are living in a stolen country - at least have the decency to afford the same privileges and opportunities to new entrants, just like your predecessors were afforded. You are no better and no more "real American" than those kids who were born in this country.

Stop being so human-centric. There were living things in North America before the first native peoples set foot on the soil. For that matter the entire Earth. Have you bothered to find out what the single celled organisms desire? What about random RNA strings?

In any case, as ridiculous as I think this person's position is I don't see any absolute being a great path forward for those previously covered under DACA. It's a complex issue that can't be sorted out in a pithy internet forum post.

edit: corrected spelling of "pithy"

 

[e-coli]

No. We're talking about illegal aliens

Unbelievable. You truly are the worst Trump supporter stereotype—an absolute disgrace to mankind. It's nauseating.

 

[inkswamp]

And this ladies and gents is how you create your own little echo chamber.

No, I don't create an echo chamber around myself. I'm open to all opinions and viewpoints, but when those opinions are coming from sources that a) don't seem to understand an issue well enough to offer intelligent discussion about it and b) seem more interested in arguing for the sake of arguing instead of arguing for personal edification and c) appear to be working from a deep-rooted, almost xenophobic bias, then I'm happy to shut that person out. I have no problem with opposing views when they come from knowledge and experience. I've spent a good deal of my life intentionally exposing myself to that. But life is too short to bother with willful ignorance and people who are intentionally trying to make others angry to feel like they've scored some points. I have no patience for that.

 

[gijoeinla]

Greece is right now in the process of becoming not-Greece. It's financially insolvent because the people and their government representatives aren't willing to do any of the hard work required to remain a going concern. If you continue on your current path, you'll soon be ripe for conquest, whether militarily or financially. Your post shows unclear thinking, which is going to be the enabler of Greece's ultimate downfall

My post is my post. Your post is yours. Please don't "think" what I'm thinking. And my thinking is VERY clear. Are you Greek? No right? Right. Wow but suddenly here you are speaking about what somebody should be doing or what they are doing when the whole point or counterpoint of this thread should stay focused on Tim Cooks stance in DACA and really nothing else.

Since your not Greek it's so simple for you to profess what someone else is or isn't doing. To be clear because you wrongly spoke for how "I" feel -- the Greek people have endured significant slashes to their income, their assets, and their freedoms involving their use or lack of in terms of their destiny. Earth to you -- a near majority (unlike the VOTE of the American people) wanted to "strike out on their own" and break away from the E U a fact you seem to think isn't a big deal. Well it didn't happen did it. And you didn't make a point of the fact a tiny nation that they are still welcomed 2 million immigrants into their system to the potential of diluting their own ancient culture for the sake of HUMANITY. But let's pretend Greece had other motives for helping Albanians. What are they since your so educated and perfect. Btw - how would you or YOUR family feel as materially obsessed Americans if suddenly Donald J Trump Cut your income and benefits in HALF.... without any say in the matter? And what if he said it's needed to pay for the wall for example?! Most Americans including his own supporters would s**t in their pants.

But let's just pretend that this isn't a complicated world and that there's no genocides occurring, there's no ethnic cleansing occurring or that multi national corporations have no say or power in our political system or that is other countries.

Duh.

 

[Naraxus]

.. Who aren’t humans?

They're illegal aliens plain & simple. They deserve nothing less than to be deported.
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Unbelievable. You truly are the worst Trump supporter stereotype—an absolute disgrace to mankind. It's nauseating.

Sorry to burst your narrative but I in no way support Trump. I support the LAW and these people should be deported.

 

[chumpy34]

Thank you Tim for standing up for what is right. I applaud your actions and voice.

 

[kelon111]

In some parts of the US , you basically need to speak Spanish to get a decent job. Even if you have a good college degree , but you don't speak Spanish , you are automatically out of luck in most cases.

If you don't believe me , you can visit a place named Hialeah in the state of Florida.
That area and the surrounding areas are known collectively as the fraud capital of the USA.



Things like that happen when you don't limit illegal immigration.