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The sad and pathetic thing is that the Democrats had control of Congress and basically screwed the Hispanics. They could have gone all out of amnesty, or created a path towards legalization. They didn't, because they're happy to keep the hispanic vote dependent on Democratic largesse.
 
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These sort of concerns never bothered people when complaining about other presidents. They’ll just reframe and concentrate on it from an angle that supports their viewpoint.

There’s no way trump is getting a second term. He’s more likely to not last his full first term than win another imo.

Source for that pretty chart? Cause my stocks are up since 11/2016. Jobs reports for the US seem to be on the up.

I think Trump will finish his 4 years just fine - the SJW and other "feel good" nonsense is just distractions form the snowflakes that all got trophies and that nonsense. The sooner they learn life's not fair the better off we will be as a society.
 
Food for thought: If you look at the history of civilizations, it's apparent that no country was immune to immigrants or invasions. Countries' demographics changed. Cultures and ideologies came and went, sometimes as the result of hostile takeovers, sometimes as a consequence of time. Why, in this day and age, do we think the dynamic is preventable? You only own that which you hold a deed to. Your heritage is no guarantee of your status, eligibility, benefits, or security. Walk into a Medicaid office, as my Alzheimers-stricken mother did at age 79, and they'll make the application process unsurmountable, while they bend over backwards to assist a recent immigrant who can't speak a word of English!

While we're aware of the physical border crossers, the overstayed guests, and family loopholes (friends posing as family members), we're seemingly unaware of the more influential invader: foreign investors. You might lose a few hundred high-paying jobs to PhD-carrying "dreamers", but entire companies and their resources are being bought by foreign investors, some of whom are shells for their countries' governments. Even undeveloped real estate is being snatched up. America is for sell if the bid is high.

Personally, I don't resent any immigrant--naturalized or not--as long as they contribute to our economy. The humble, but hard working, food picker is just as valuable as the engineer. The welfare-seeking socialist immigrant needs to get the boot. There are "families" who have one job holder--or own an unprofitable business--and intentionally stay at the poverty level to exploit social services. The welfare benefits they receive are comparable to what they would have existed on in their native country; however, the income is dependable here.
 
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I find it funny that people think that the government even gives a single **** about the well being of the United States...
They incarcerate the highest percentage of the population from all western countries. They send police officers whom have been caught abusing their power on a 2 week paid vacation, they have cops who will sometimes illegally detain you for legally open carrying a firearm, store clerks will call the cops on you because you tried to pay for your stuff with a real $2 bill, teachers who call the police on children who draw on school desks, 18 year olds who are sent away to the Middle East to defend this so called freedom even though they could pull out tomorrow and nothing would change back home.

There are so many things that genuinely make me believe that the government doesn't care about the citizens, so why should they care about hard working illegal immigrants becoming legal?
 
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These sort of concerns never bothered people when complaining about other presidents. They’ll just reframe and concentrate on it from an angle that supports their viewpoint.

There’s no way trump is getting a second term. He’s more likely to not last his full first term than win another imo.

You can't do a straight comparison of jobs added in different times of the year. You would either need to compare Trump's first 6 with the first 6 of last year or wait till the year is up.
 
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Source for that pretty chart? Cause my stocks are up since 11/2016. Jobs reports for the US seem to be on the up.

I think Trump will finish his 4 years just fine - the SJW and other "feel good" nonsense is just distractions form the snowflakes that all got trophies and that nonsense. The sooner they learn life's not fair the better off we will be as a society.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-economy-is-doing-slightly-worse-than-obamas/

But economists agree. I have stock brokers in the family and we’re pulling investments out of the US like crazy.


In before fake news? Which do you use?
 
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You can't do a straight comparison of jobs added in different times of the year. You would either need to compare Trump's first 6 with the first 6 of last year or wait till the year is up.
Well, you can.. ? It might not be as pertinent but it’s still illustrative of the fact that there’s been no massive boom in employment, just a pre-existing upward trend we’d have to give Obama equal (or more) credit for if we’re placing the blame at the feet of presidents for some reason..
 
No group on conquered people ever "asked" for it. It has happened for centuries across continents. That's not the point here, the point is there is no comparison between Europeans coming to North America and illegally entering the US today.

Get this into your head - you're living in a stolen country. Unless you are a descendant of Native Americans - you are no more of a "real American" than those kids, whose parents have crossed the US/Mexican border. "Might makes right" is no argument for anything.

And since you are living in a stolen country - at least have the decency to afford the same privileges and opportunities to new entrants, just like your predecessors were afforded. You are no better and no more "real American" than those kids who were born in this country.
 
Get this into your head - you're living in a stolen country. Unless you are a descendant of Native Americans - you are no more of a "real American" than those kids, whose parents have crossed the US/Mexican border. "Might makes right" is no argument for anything.

And since you are living in a stolen country - at least have the decency to afford the same privileges and opportunities to new entrants, just like your predecessors were afforded. You are no better and no more "real American" than those kids who were born in this country.

By that logic everyone besides the first men would be living on stolen land. You only keep what you can hold. The native Americans got pushed off their land. They had no immigration laws nor the tools to enforce them.
 
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All these people who single out Tim for "being liberal" and inserting politics too often in public display. Did you miss that many other companies have done the same thing in terms of voicing dissent in many arenas regarding Trumps choices? Cook isn't taking some kind of unique position. And, second, do you honestly think he's the only liberal at Apple who deviously wrested control and without him Apple would be a voiceless non political company? Seriously?
 
Oh you mean like the Spanish, English, Portuguese and French did to the indigenous peoples of the New World?

Sorry, but the "indigenous" people of the New World invaded and mistreated each other all the time. The Toltecs, the Aztecs, the Mayans, etc. -- all of them building their own empires, dominating and subsuming their neighbors, with apparently little or no introspection or soul-searching about it. Same thing with many of the tribes of the continental U.S.

ANY group can find something in history to feel victimized and aggrieved about. But there's no future in it, just dysfunction. The fact is that every country in the world claims control over its borders. That's a legitimate function of government all over the world. The U.S., like all the other countries, has immigration laws and ours are among the most welcoming in the world. But they have their limits, and it's not up to a bunch of Mexicans or Guatemalans or El Salvadorans to decide who gets into the U.S. It's up to Americans, who express their will through their laws.

And our laws make it clear that those DACA kids are here illegally. Time for them to go.
 
DACA isn't even law. Its an EO designed to subvert Constitutionally passed laws passed by Congress and signed into law by a President.

If you want to reform immigration, pass a f-n law, not issues an unconstitutional EO designed to subvert our constitutional republic.

Funny how people bitch and moan about Trump and being authoritarian and subverting democracy....DACA literally comes from an authoritarian position and subverts democracy.
 
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By that logic everyone besides the first men would be living on stolen land. You only keep what you can hold. The native Americans got pushed off their land. They had no immigration laws nor the tools to enforce them.

Everyone does not live on stolen land. Japanese don't, Chinese don't, Russians don't, and so on and so forth. Americans do though.

No one is suggesting the situation should be reversed now, but acknowledge and own it.

And spare me with this "real American" garbage. These children have been raised in this country, they are American in their language in culture as you are. You are no more "American" than they are.

Sending them "back" is utter nonsense - there is no "back" for them, as America is all they know. We should send YOU back to Poland, Ireland, or whoever your predecessors came from.
 
All these people who single out Tim for "being liberal" and inserting politics too often in public display. Did you miss that many other companies have done the same thing in terms of voicing dissent in many arenas regarding Trumps choices?

Most other vocal anti-Trump companies are from the Silicon Valley crap echo chamber. They can't fathom the rest of the country doesn't want their brand of communism/socialism. "WHAT ARE YOU, A BIGOT??"

Virtue signaling nonsense is what some companies think they need to do to save business. The radical left accuses everyone not in complete lockstep of being a "nazi" or "racist" or some other slur. The problem is, as Hollywood is finding out: adopting the leftist agenda is actually really bad for business.
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Btw, the situation in Europe is imho a ticking time bomb. The violence by the newcomers taking place in countries such as Germany, Sweden, Italy, The Netherlands, etc. is appalling, as are their unrealistic demands. This is not going to end well.

It's even worse. The progressive mind-virus has spread so far in those countries that even talking about the problems in those countries can get people arrested. The UK is really awful about that, too. "Progressives" dream of having that much control in the US.
 
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