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Tim Cook Says 250 Apple Employees Are 'Dreamers' as Donald Trump's Decision on DACA Nears
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It matters to a hell of a lot of people, 567 nations governments, and the US Government.
Be careful what you ask for. Could easy turn 800k very educated individuals into enemies. How very powerful really bad enemies started throughout the world. Additionally, I have more respect for these folks then so many rust belt opioid addicted Americans. What is it, 60%, of the rust belt cannot pass a drug test for a job. I would support a value added test to who stays or who goes, over birth right only.
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Ironic. You are calling out the poster for not naving "a clue about world history" only to make an idiotic statement that this land wasn't settled. This country has been borned out violence and genecide.
Besides, America is the land of immigrants. A melting pot. If you don't Like it, move. That's the beautiful thing about the values we embrace. We respect your individualism and won't mind if you leave to pursue happiness. Good luck.
Anyone actually look take a good look at Tim Cook's face in that photo? It's hilarious. Yeah....
Tim Cook: NOEP.
First thought: he looks like a Beaker.
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Settled and governed are not the same thing. Even settled is quite generous considering North America's population prior to European settlement was only around 100 million, making it less than a few people per square mile on average. North America was not a country or countries with defined borders and laws, it was just land much like Asia, Africa, and Europe was centuries before.
And yes, the US has always been a nation of immigrants, but it has also been a nation of laws. People are welcome to move here and bring their culture right along with them, or assimilate into another, but there is nothing unjust with having their entrance documented and screened just as many members of this community had their ancestors screened and documented at Ellis Island or similar.
Because the US was not a massive welfare state back then!
Before the colossal government expansion after the world wars, the Unite States was truly the land of opportunity. It gave smart, hardworking and industrious people in other lands a chance to come here and develop their full potential, away from oppressive governments and kings. This is how the US became the richest country in the world, by attracting amazing people from all over the world, who created enormous value and wealth.
However, because we had no government welfare system then, most people who could not make it on their own returned home. For example, close to one-third of American immigrants from Europe during 1900-14 ended up back in Europe (Keeling, p.201). This is definitely not the case today. A country can get immensely rich when all of its citizens pull their own weight and no one lives off the labor of others, which was the case back then.
You can have free immigration or a welfare state. But you can not have both.
So when illegals crawl through a fence and run across a highway with children in tow, THAT doesn't "destroy their lives" even though the country is entirely foreign to them? Your logic baffles me.
I do believe there needs to be some level of being 'grandfathered' into this country if you have been here X years. No, I don't have the magic formula. But once we do that for the last time, put up the damn wall, and then we can know exactly who is entering this country, which by the way, every other country on earth has a right to know.
Looks like President Trump is giving Congress a chance to do something beside just talk ...
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And who is this "people"?
Say you feel a particular law ought to be repealed. I feel (for argument's sake) that it ought to stay. Who should the authorities listen to? What makes your POV worth any more than mine, or vice versa?
Laws only work when there is one common standard upon which everyone agrees to adhere to, regardless of whether they like it or not. This is so everyone is on the same page with regards to what they can and cannot do. People don't get to decide which laws apply and which laws magically become irrelevant as and when they wish simply because they don't like them.
And if you want to have a law changed, there is a formal process to go through for this sort of thing and until that day comes, the original point still stands - as far as the law is concerned, these "dreamers" continue to be of illegal status, regardless of how much you argue about why it ought to be otherwise.
My only comment is that if just once in your life, you got a job opportunity when enemployed, desperate and truly in need, and a van full of 30 illegals in the back pulled up at the office, none even speaking a language to fill out the employment forms and 1 LEGAL citizen walked in and took all the jobs a dozen American citizens were applying for, your entire perspective on illegal immigration would change. If it ever happened just ONCE, your opinion would change. It's easy to feel good about politically correct narratives and feel good ideas when they never affect YOU.
Does Mexico have it's own version of DACA for the children of people who enter Mexico illegally?
HELL NO they don't!
It is a FELONY to be an illegal immigrant in Mexico. It's also a FELONY to hire an illegal migrant in Mexico. They get jail and deportation. Period.
Makes me sick how Mexicans have the most racist and strict immigration system in the world, yet think they can flood into the United States and take over the country.
HELL NO they don't!
It is a FELONY to be an illegal immigrant in Mexico. It's also a FELONY to hire an illegal migrant in Mexico. They get jail and deportation. Period.
Makes me sick how Mexicans have the most racist and strict immigration system in the world, yet think they can flood into the United States and take over the country.
I'm amazed and disgusted by how many people here want to send dreamers back to the countries they came from.
Do you not realize that these people were brought here as children? That they do not know any life other than that which they've lived here? They have all their connections here and have absolutely nothing at home?
How would you like it if you were removed from the US and sent to a country where you have NO connections, NO job prospects, nothing? That's exactly what it would be like for them.
This isn't about the letter of the law. This is about compassion for fellow human beings who would have their lives needlessly ruined by sending them back to a place they don't even know. Why is compassion for our fellow man missing in so many people? How does it hurt you to let them stay?
Do you not realize that these people were brought here as children? That they do not know any life other than that which they've lived here? They have all their connections here and have absolutely nothing at home?
How would you like it if you were removed from the US and sent to a country where you have NO connections, NO job prospects, nothing? That's exactly what it would be like for them.
This isn't about the letter of the law. This is about compassion for fellow human beings who would have their lives needlessly ruined by sending them back to a place they don't even know. Why is compassion for our fellow man missing in so many people? How does it hurt you to let them stay?
I bet you still buy the goods and services from the contractors and farms that hire them though.
lol... this is a completely made up narrative. There are no vans full of illegals pulling up to take your job. The funniest thing is that the states with the most vehement rhetoric toward illegal immigration (I'm looking at you, WV and the midwest) are the ones effected by it the least. We're talking 1-2% or lower.
Meanwhile, what happens when DACA is actually gone?
Hardworking people with no criminal record and no memory of any other place to call home are shipped off to live in a foreign land.
[doublepost=1504496674][/doublepost]I take that back, it's not funny at all that the states with the most vile rhetoric for immigrants have the least amount of illegals, it's tragic. You all should be ashamed of such blatant dog whistle racism.
this is the problem with executive orders. As soon as the executive changes, so can th orders.
Three branches of government is what our Founders gave us. "If you can keep it," said Ben Franklin, after the Constitution was signed by those in Philadelphia. How about we let the Legislative branch do the legislating, the Executive do the executing, and the Judicial do the judging?
I know... then we don't get "our dictator," who is better than "your dictator."
Three branches of government is what our Founders gave us. "If you can keep it," said Ben Franklin, after the Constitution was signed by those in Philadelphia. How about we let the Legislative branch do the legislating, the Executive do the executing, and the Judicial do the judging?
I know... then we don't get "our dictator," who is better than "your dictator."
The current thinking is that he will give Congress a set amount of time to reach a legislative solution.
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DACA isn't even an executive order. It is administrative policy justified as prosecutorial discretion. It may or may not be good policy but it stands on flimsy legal ground.
It actually makes sense. Those of us who live in states where there are a lot of immigrants (both legal and not) have these people around us, and we can see that they're good, hard working people who just want to live their lives and provide for their families. They are often our friends, and we quickly learn that they're not boogeymen.
Those in states where there's hardly any immigrants have no evidence to fight the ridiculous narrative the media and our current administration has painted about immigrants.
People should educate themselves and learn about the world, and not simply believe everything they see on Faux News.
The point is that Mexico is a bit two-faced here. They turn a blind eye if migrants make it to the US but if they are caught on their own territory they deport.
You have no way of knowing who does and doesn't live on stolen lands, neanderthal skulls have been found in China, maybe they "took" the land from them.
Nice strawman, not sure who or what you are addressing here, I live in Canada.
Actually this happened in Maryland, a Democrat state, so you are WRONG. And grievances were filed, but ignored.
Anyone who doesn't believe this happens all the time, TX vans pulling up and taking American jobs, whether it be roofers in Florida or delivery people in Maryland, you are a fool or just don't care. I'll assume you're the later or both.
This happens every single day in Florida. In Maryland it's less common, but yes, a dozen citizens lost jobs that day in Maryland.
By the way. I said nothing vehement against any of these people. They were all being abused and paid pennies on the dollar which is also illegal, YES, far below minimum wage. YES, slavery does still exist in America.
As far as people practicing "Revisionist History" on who owns what lands, they should be taken out and shot.
Creating a new FAKE HISTORY is worse than forgetting the past. If you conquered or claimed a land and still have it, guess what, YOU OWN IT. End of story. This notion that American Indians own America is nonsense. They sparsely populated it and did little with the vast lands. This notion that Europeans stifled a superior culture or something is just Utopian thinking on acid.
Creating a new FAKE HISTORY is worse than forgetting the past. If you conquered or claimed a land and still have it, guess what, YOU OWN IT. End of story. This notion that American Indians own America is nonsense. They sparsely populated it and did little with the vast lands. This notion that Europeans stifled a superior culture or something is just Utopian thinking on acid.
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"President Donald Trump has decided to end the Obama-era program that grants work permits to undocumented immigrants who arrived in the country as children, according to two sources familiar with his thinking. "
This is Trump. He says one thing, does another thing, thinks another thing, tweets another thing, sees another thing, feels another thing, and ***** another thing. No one ... I repeat, no one, can be familiar with such a lopsided mentality.
#1 You don't follow politics much do you? Politico is a BLOG, not a news source. 2 sources from them could mean the White House gardener and his son or just Politico's left wing people themselves, with the expertise to be familiar with his thinking. HAHA!
#2 Trump ran during his entire campaign against DACA and Obama & Clinton. If he goes through with ending it, he will only be fulfilling a campaign promise that got him elected over his opponents in the first place.
#3 Now if he changes his mind and course out of sympathy or some noble reason, you will still hate him anyway.
Conclusion: You have a lopsided mentality or maybe he's just good at driving you crazy?
