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Today I just realized my iPhone 6 is bent. Apple Care saying not their problem.
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Please don't launch attacks on me for no reason. I haven't been divisive. I've tried to be as open and accommodating as possible. The vitriol has largely been directed at me, not the other way around.
Your response is exactly what I mean. Buy hey, I understand, arguing on the internet is entertaining. It is why I read half of these threads.
This one is just over. Nothing more will be achieved in this discussion until Apple admits to an issues. Which by the way, I live in Portland as well. When they do admit to the issue, I won't ask for your life savings, but I will take a beer!
Your response is exactly what I mean. Buy hey, I understand, arguing on the internet is entertaining. It is why I read half of these threads.
Which by the way, I live in Portland as well. When they do admit to the issue, I won't ask for your life savings, but I will take a beer!
My response in no way justifies your attack on me. Please refrain from that kind of behavior in the future. It isn't appropriate.
I am in no way attacking you. Please refrain from your behavior in the future. Thanks!
People have alleged bending under "normal" usage after 2 days.
It is a really good thing that millions and millions of people are not using their phones under "normal" conditions, otherwise the number of returns and posts here would be through the roof.
Do you really think that people subject their devices to so much stress over time that it causes metal fatigue? Seriously?
If you want to actually understand fatigue in aluminum, here ya go:
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1471531700000080
Who says it takes less than 70 lbs? You? Actually in CR test it bent in the weakest point exactly at 70 lbs
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I can't understand German, but nowhere in that video I can see any reference to 10 kg of force.
Btw the test is pointless since it is applying full force on the single spot. Hardly a real case scenario unless you put two thumbs pushing on the weak spot like the idiots YouTubers did.
Even in that case the phone bent at over 30 kg (☺ near the 70 lbs)
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Metal fatigue? You need a reality check: it is a frakkin phone, not a torsion bar. It's meant to be used to make phone calls and slightly tap on the screen.
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Omg.... It's aluminum! Planes are made of aluminum. Even cars. It's SUPPOSED to deform, and then regain its shape. The test stop when the deformation reach a defined level, and it is above 290 N, even if they applied force on a single stop, a totally unrealistic scenario.
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Every frakkin elastic material is supposed to behave in that way! If it was completely rigid it would crack easily.
It's not supposed to be subject of metal fatigue, it is A PHONE! It could happen, once in a while, to sustain that kind of force, and it is able to resist to that, but if you are applying that kind of pressure you are just looking for troubles.
And the reportedly bent iPhones had a few days of life, so your absurd theory is pointless: they just say on it, and it bent. Not metal fatigue. Just careless behavior.
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I think we are wasting our time: they are purposely avoiding to understand the tests.
They just want the iPhone to bend to bash Apple about this design choice. Period.
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You didn't read the cr test, right?
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Still waiting for someone showing me how to bend an iPhone on the front pocket.... It's been a month...
It's impossible to bend it in your front pocket normally. Both most my jeans and my work pants are way too tight as I'm too cheap to buy new ones (keep telling myself I'll lose weight again lol) and I always keep mine in my tight front pockets even while sitting and it never bends at all. Whoever gets theirs bent has to be doing something on purpose or totally outrageous imo.
Do you have a problem with English comprehension?No, why are you lying?
Besides aluminium alloy behaves just like any other metall - it fatigue from stress with time.
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You didn't miss a thing:
http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/news/2014/09/consumer-reports-tests-iphone-6-bendgate/index.htm
Probably a furious child behind the monitor.
All the phones we tested showed themselves to be pretty tough. The iPhone 6 Plus, the more robust of the new iPhones in our testing, started to deform when we reached 90 pounds of force, and came apart with 110 pounds of force. With those numbers, it slightly outperformed the HTC One (which is largely regarded as a sturdy, solid phone), as well as the smaller iPhone 6, yet underperformed some other smart phones.
Below that there is a table showing the iPhone 6 deformation happened at 70 lbs, just like the HTC M8.
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Are you saying you are a scalper and you are proud of it?
That machine measures flexural strength. Basically it simulates a load, and in our case the load point is the axis from which the machine simulates the load placed on a body.
Its a tried and true mechanical engineering test designed to measure exactly what were looking for: when does the iPhone deform such that it can no longer bounce back to its original form, and at point is there catastrophic failure?
You can do multipoint load bearing tests, which is prudent because the iPhone's construction from head to tail is not homogeneous.
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I would say the same about haters keep pushing absurd theories about phone bending, like Apple hired some amateurs instead of high level profile engineers
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Your response is exactly what I mean. Buy hey, I understand, arguing on the internet is entertaining. It is why I read half of these threads.
Which by the way, I live in Portland as well. When they do admit to the issue, I won't ask for your life savings, but I will take a beer!
They are not going to admit an issue doesn't exist....
Don't bend it, it won't bend. Easy like that.
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The " head under the sand" behavior is a good one... when you have no valid arguments.
After watching the computer bild video, I think the phone fails the test at about 50lbs. At that point you can almost see the oscillated flex of the phone and the phone surely cannot recover to it's original form.
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After watching the computer bild video, I think the phone fails the test at about 50lbs. At that point you can almost see the oscillated flex of the phone and at that point the phone surely cannot recover to it's original form.
For the record, I don't think its possible to create an any point stress load of 50lbs on the phone by sitting on it with it in your front pocket. Maybe you'd create 20lbs consistently, but 50 is a stretch
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After watching the computer bild video, I think the phone fails the test at about 50lbs. At that point you can almost see the oscillated flex of the phone and at that point the phone surely cannot recover to it's original form.
For the record, I don't think its possible to create an any point stress load of 50lbs on the phone by sitting on it with it in your front pocket. Maybe you'd create 20lbs consistently, but 50 is a stretch
To be honest I would avoid to keep it in my front pocket while seated.
It's not comfortable (the device is big) and risks of hit a table while moving are high.
My two cents.
I am an engineer..... and this test is pointless since you are not going to apply force on a single spot in normal usage
It's just a "nice to know" test, and its purpose is purely as a click bait.
Someone believing that Bild has more competence than Apple engineers in that field lives in a parallel dimension
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That's my point since the beginning.
Yes the iPhone 6 is more delicate than previous models.
Yes its weakest point actually is just below the volume buttons, near to the edge of the frame.
NO it isn't a big deal on normal usage because you can't apply force on that single spot unless you are doing it on purpose.
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Can you please show me where in the CR test it says the iPhones 6 PLUS bent (permanently deformed) or might bend (permanently deformed) at 70 pounds of force?
I did read the report and keep missing it.
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did you read the thread then?
Surf Monkey wrote
"Wrong. The Bild test confirmed the CR test. Watch the video. The 6 Plus deforms at 313 Newtons. That's 70lbs of force."
He than goes on to say that CR said that the iPhone 6 PLUS will bend at the volume button at 70 pounds
So ask your buddy if he read the report
The Bild test basically confirmed the CR test conclusion, even if numbers are slightly different (the test is different because CR applied a force at the entire frame while Bild did it in a single weak spot).
The conclusions are that you can't bend it unless you are trying hard to do that on purpose
your an admitted apple shill.
If this wasn't an issue people wouldn't post about their phones bending.
But you don't care. Because you have to defend apple no matter what. Why? Whats in it for you?
Don't change the subject
Where does the CR test mention the the iPhone 6 Plus permanently deforming at 70 LBS, either tested or postulated?
You asked me if I read the report where I asked him to support this claim. He says its in the report from CR.
And some claims it bends after couple of weeks.
I don't bother with obvious cases, when you clearly see big impact on the phone, but most questions about slightly bending iphones, wabble thing - it can't be done with a hit or purpose bend, it requires quite gentle and steady pressure to get it like this:
And, like I said, material fatigue means you could apply small stress which doesn't break aluminium, but after many cycles it could eventually fatigue, because of material characteristics.
PS Never thought I would do it on this board, but I add two annoying trolls to ignore list.
When you sit on a phone, the issue is in you behavior, not in the device
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It's not a question of numbers. 70 or 90 doesn't change much.
You didn't read the article about cr stress test and surely not the conclusions.
And the Bild test actually confirmed those conclusions: the iPhone doesn't bend unless you intentionally try.
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The metal fatigue concept applied to a phone is utterly ridiculous
"Small stress and gentle pressure over time" isn't going to do squat to the phone, odvan. That's utter nonsense.