Today I just realized my iPhone 6 is bent. Apple Care saying not their problem.

[kepler20b]

How would we know? With very few exceptions the answer to any questions about these bends is "I bent it in 'normal use.' Why are you interrogating me, Apple apologist??"

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So, you "know" enough not to question what happened? You "know" enough to assume that asking what might have happened is an accusation, not an attempt to figure out, you know, what might have happened? Doesn't seem like you "know" as much as you think you do, actually...

Let me know when you're able to construct a real argument that refutes mine. Until then you provide no analysis, insight, or ability to provide discussion.

 

[odvan]

That's 23 lbs force and iphone is clearly bending. If you stop at this point it probably would return to normal shape. But with time you could get bend phone because of material fatigue.

 

[Surf Monkey]

i just watched the video. it started deforming as early as 100 Newtons.

It didn't permanently bend until 313 Newtons. Just like the CR test.

 

[cfedu]

Think for a minute.
Just a minute.

Do you think that all the people who claim the phone bent by themselves under normal usage are all putting pressure in the exact weak point of the phone when they put it in their pocket or in their gym bag?

Where exactly is the lever point when someone puts in their pocket and it starts to bend? At the exact point of the buttons?

Just think.

Think Different.

I don't think any phone bends by themselves.

They seem to be bending when a certain force is applied, it looks like most of them are bending near the volume button so I would assume thats the weakest spot.

The frequency of bent iPhones has increased from previous generation.

The threshold of bending iPhones has been reduced (iPhone 6 is almost 100% more force to bend than the iPhone 6)

My only question is, Are the new iPhones less forgiving to than previous generations? From the above for statement I would say yes!

 

[Surf Monkey]

That's 23 lbs force and iphone is clearly bending. If you stop at this point it probably would return to normal shape. But with time you could get bend phone because of material fatigue.

Wrong. Aluminum alloys don't behave the same way as other metals. Bending doesn't cause fatigue in them. It actually causes the crystalline structure to tighten and become MORE ridged. When aluminum fails it cracks. Search google for "aluminum and repetitive bending."

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Let me know when you're able to construct a real argument that refutes mine. Until then you provide no analysis, insight, or ability to provide discussion.

What is there to discuss? Your theory that the phones bend themselves is hogwash on the very face of it.

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My only question is, Are the new iPhones less forgiving to than previous generations? From the above for statement I would say yes!

Seems that way and while it would be nice to know what exact circumstances these phones are bending in, asking any questions about it gets you branded as a troll, so I guess we'll never get to the bottom of it.

 

[cfedu]

Wrong. The Bild test confirmed the CR test. Watch the video. The 6 Plus deforms at 313 Newtons. That's 70lbs of force.

It didn't permanently bend until 313 Newtons. Just like the CR test.

How is 70lbs = 90 Lbs ?

How is that just like the CR test?

 

[Surf Monkey]

How is 70lbs = 90 Lbs ?

How is that just like the CR test?

Holy cow. If you're going to criticize the CR test at least read it first.

 

[odvan]

It didn't permanently bend until 313 Newtons. Just like the CR test.

CR has 90 lbs for 6+ and 70 lbs 6.

Stop embarrassing yourself.

 

[Surf Monkey]

CR has 90 lbs for 6+ and 70 lbs 6.

Stop embarrassing yourself.

CR postulated 70lbs to permanently deform the Plus at the weak point. Bild confirmed it. I'm not embarrassing myself at all.

 

[cfedu]

Seems that way and while it would be nice to know what exact circumstances these phones are bending in, asking any questions about it gets you branded as a troll, so I guess we'll never get to the bottom of it.

If someone says the put it in their front pocket and another poster asked why did you sit on it? I would consider that a troll statement.

I am in no way accusing you of using that line, but I have seen others use it.

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CR postulated 70lbs to permanently deform the Plus at the weak point. Bild confirmed it. I'm not embarrassing myself at all.

If thats the case, I have missed that fact.

 

[Surf Monkey]

If someone says the put it in their front pocket and another poster asked why did you sit on it? I would consider that a troll statement.

I am in no way accusing you of using that line, but I have seen others use it.

I have never said and never would say any such thing.

 

[Retired Cat]

Today I just realized my iPhone 6 is bent. Apple Care saying not their problem.

I don't understand what's so difficult to understand.



The phone bends itself.



If we take two conditions that we all agree on: empty aluminum unibody at rest does does not want to flex, and gorilla glass neither, the answer is simple.



The internal hardware that is secured to the aluminum unibody introduces torsional stress into the phone. Over time, this manifests itself into a bend, as the stress of how the internal hardware is affixed to the phone forces it into a preferred state to relieve the torsional pressure.



There is inherent energy in the phone that makes it want to bend. This could be as simple as a single screw point that was affixed using an uncalibrated amount of torque.



Of course if we even take that in its resting state the phone wants to bend, it probably shouldn't. However something so simple as a tap, small drop, hit, etc could momentarily degrades the phones integrity that it will thus begin to bend.



Stop being shills.



The evidence is clear that the phone wants to bend itself to relieve the torsional pressure that exists in the phone.

Agreed. This was similar to my theory. I thought that the retention clips that secure the display might be slightly off in some phones, causing a torsional stress on the unibody.

I don't believe that this is a widespread problem, but I do believe that many of the people reporting bends are reporting in good faith. In any product manufactured in the 10s of millions of units, there are going to be errors. I think it's reasonably likely that a manufacturing problem caused this issue for some customers.

Apple will likely figure this out. I don't see why people feel the need to go after anyone claiming that their phone has a problem.

 

[Surf Monkey]

Agreed. This was similar to my theory. I thought that the retention clips that secure the display might be slightly off in some phones, causing a torsional stress on the unibody.

I don't believe that this is a widespread problem, but I do believe that many of the people reporting bends are reporting in good faith. In any product manufactured in the 10s of millions of units, there are going to be errors. I think it's reasonably likely that a manufacturing problem caused this issue for some customers.

Apple will likely figure this out. I don't see why people feel the need to go after anyone claiming that their phone has a problem.

And I don't see why people feel the need to characterize asking simple questions as "going after someone" when nothing of the sort actually happened.

 

[odvan]

CR postulated 70lbs to permanently deform the Plus at the weak point. Bild confirmed it. I'm not embarrassing myself at all.

No, why are you lying?

Besides aluminium alloy behaves just like any other metall - it fatigue from stress with time.

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If thats the case, I have missed that fact.

You didn't miss a thing:
http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/news/2014/09/consumer-reports-tests-iphone-6-bendgate/index.htm

Probably a furious child behind the monitor.

 

[cfedu]

No, why are you lying?

Besides aluminium alloy behaves just like any other metall - it fatigue from stress with time.

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You didn't miss a thing:
http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/news/2014/09/consumer-reports-tests-iphone-6-bendgate/index.htm

Probably a furious child behind the monitor.

I kinda figured, I took his word as truthful. It could be an honest mistake

 

[odvan]

I kinda figured, I took his word as truthful. It could be an honest mistake

Bild did this test specifically to show CR wasn't accurate.

And iphones lose shape aka bends exactly because of micro cracks in aluminium you wouldn't notice with naked eye.

 

[hotdog4u]

I have noticed that most of them being bent, have slim cases. You should be able to have any case you want, not blaming anyone for that. Mine (6+) is in an otterbox like case and i have sat on it and it's perfectly fine. Yeah Apple should have made it a little more indestructible, but for as much as I paid for the phone, every case I will own will be like Fort Knox.

what case do you use? obviously otter box just came out today...so not everyone will have otter box..unless you talking about pelican

 

[MPclk2006]

I can't believe some posters said you should pay for apple care to pay again to get another phone. The phone just came out, they should replace it but while they "check it out" they should send you a replacement.

This happened to me with the original iPhone, one day it just started overheating in my pocket, I took it out and held it against the A/C on my way home so it would not get "too hot", I called them when I got home and never did they advice me to buy Apple care to fix the situation. Long story short, they mailed me a "new" iphone to hold me over until they checked/fixed mine, once they realized it could not be fixed, they sent me a new one. I did not pay anything out of pocket to make this happen.

 

[Surf Monkey]

No, why are you lying?

Besides aluminium alloy behaves just like any other metall - it fatigue from stress with time.

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You didn't miss a thing:
http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/news/2014/09/consumer-reports-tests-iphone-6-bendgate/index.htm

Probably a furious child behind the monitor.

Don't accuse me of being a child or being a liar. Neither is true. The Bild test does confirm the CR test. 90lbs at the center of the device to cause case separation. 70lbs at the structural weak point. Not 25lbs as you tried to claim.

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Bild did this test specifically to show CR wasn't accurate.

And iphones lose shape aka bends exactly because of micro cracks in aluminium you wouldn't notice with naked eye.

And they failed.

 

[teknikal90]

Actually, it's you who isn't understanding here. You're talking about subjective experience. I'm talking about objective fact. It is an objective fact that some event causes these phones to bend. Given the amount of force necessary it is highly unlikely that a bend will happen incrementally, but even if that's happening it's still a series of specific, objective events that are causing it. That's the relivent data that you and others refuse to address and insist on characterizing as accusation when questioned about. In my opinion it's disingenuous and rude to suggest that simply trying to determine what's happening to these phones is apologetics or unreasonable.

the reason why people are getting ticked off at you is precisely that - that you're refusing to open up to the idea, and even so far as discrediting any suggestions, that the iphone can in fact bend gradually and incrementally, through every day 'normal' use.


do i know that it can happen for a fact? no. But the multiple people here are asserting such, based on the evidence of their own experiences. you on the other hand, given that you have no self-observed additional evidence that points to the contrary, are literally spitting hearsay by simply labelling those people's assertions as simply 'unlikely'. that's annoying. youre blindly calling their complaints as invalid without any real reason, when the alternative - simply shutting up about it - is just as easy.

 

[iososx]

If the truth ever surfaced, and it won't... Well you can fill in the blanks.

I'm currently profiting by reselling new iPhone 6 models while demand is strong, but refuse to waste my money on one.

Next year I'll happily buy the new stronger improved model with great peace of mind.

Using the amazingly huge profits I've made off of the first gen iP6 & 6+, my 2015 iPhone will be free with money left over... Thanks Apple.

 

[bijju]

Which is build the same way as your previous one.

but it's not bent.... if it's going to bend again after normal use... I would say F***n. apple.. will go and get nexus 6

 

[iolinux333]

I think they're bending when people bump against a table or counter top while the back is facing outward. People bump counters and tables all the time and don't even notice. The edge of a tabletop smacked by a thigh will easily produce more than 70psi because the surface area is small. If it's a corner/point impact the force could easily be 400psi. That's why you can push a thumbtack into a wall, but not your thumb. Apple needs to go back to the drawing board with this one.

 

[kepler20b]

If the truth ever surfaced, and it won't... Well you can fill in the blanks.

I'm currently profiting by reselling new iPhone 6 models while demand is strong, but refuse to waste my money on one.

Next year I'll happily buy the new stronger improved model with great peace of mind.

Using the amazingly huge profits I've made off of the first gen iP6 & 6+, my 2015 iPhone will be free with money left over... Thanks Apple.

Dangerous game you'll play because soon some media, be it macrumors or er al. Will publish a story about how the online ordering system was relentlessly exploited by a few people, and thousands of UDP lines created out of thin air, people making 10k selling phones that are in high demand. this will be picked up by gawker, dead spin, and the mainstream media.

Verizon will then use this as a precedence to either begin kicking off people on their UDP for fraud and exploiting their services and businesses and/or permanently throttling UDP.

So in effect all these guys exploiting the ordering system are just watering down their already precious UDP and just giving Verizon a backdoor exit to kick us all off.

Its fun for now, until the 100-500 people who are constantly exploiting this make their 1-10k, and the 2,000,000 of us on UDP are left holding their bag and forced to sweep up this mess.

 

[Surf Monkey]

the reason why people are getting ticked off at you is precisely that - that you're refusing to open up to the idea, and even so far as discrediting any suggestions, that the iphone can in fact bend gradually and incrementally, through every day 'normal' use.


do i know that it can happen for a fact? no. But the multiple people here are asserting such, based on the evidence of their own experiences. you on the other hand, given that you have no self-observed additional evidence that points to the contrary, are literally spitting hearsay by simply labelling those people's assertions as simply 'unlikely'. that's annoying. youre blindly calling their complaints as invalid without any real reason, when the alternative - simply shutting up about it - is just as easy.

That's not what I'm doing at all.