Touch ID Not Returning With iPhone 13, Despite Apple Testing Under-Screen Sensor

[Sir_Macs_A_Lot]

I’m on a 6S Plus. I’m not upgrading until touch ID is back on the iPhone. I just need a battery replacement, as it’s capacity is down to 86%.

If I were on a 6S Plus I could afford to sit tight for another year and see what iPhone 14 had to offer. Unfortunately, they only put 1GB of RAM in my 6+ so…it runs super slow, apps crash constantly and the only system updates I get are security related. I can sense that many developers are about to stop supporting apps below iOS 13 because it limits functionality. Oh well. My phone had a good run.

 

[BvizioN]

So, remember how the first iPhone hit the market, and it just completely blew everybody away? Yeah, there were "smart" phones running Palm, BlackBerry, and Symbian, but none of them were remotely as awe-inspiring or revolutionary as that first iPhone. Apple has shown they can do amazing things with tech, but haven't for way too long. The M1 chip is a nice step in components, but it doesn't translate into a revolutionary *product* without additional work, and Apple doesn't seem willing to do that work in a post-Jobsian world.

I do agree with half of your comment but I disagree about the M1. I do think it is quite revolutionary. And I don't get the part "it doesn't translate into a revolutionary *product* without additional work". Are you suggesting Apple is not doing any additional work on M processors?

 

[dgrey]

I do agree with half of your comment but I disagree about the M1. I do think it is quite revolutionary. And I don't get the part "it doesn't translate into a revolutionary *product* without additional work". Are you suggesting Apple is not doing any additional work on M processors?

A chip is just a piece, a component, of products they sell. You don’t go into an Apple Store and say, “Hi, I’d like to buy the latest M1 chip please.”, and walk out with a chip in a bag.

 

[nia820]

A fingerprint sensor is much needed in this era of mask wearing. Kind of disappointed

 

[BvizioN]

A chip is just a piece, a component, of products they sell. You don’t go into an Apple Store and say, “Hi, I’d like to buy the latest M1 chip please.”, and walk out with a chip in a bag.

A component but very important that makes a huge difference on the Mac computers. I don't go to buy M1 Processor in the Apple Store, you are right. I go in the Apple store and buy a specific Mac that has M1 Processor in it, instead of power hungry, unreliable, inefficient, under-powered Intel. (and I have). In case you have missed, Mac sales have surged after the release of the M1 Products.

 

[jahsoul]

So, remember how the first iPhone hit the market, and it just completely blew everybody away? Yeah, there were "smart" phones running Palm, BlackBerry, and Symbian, but none of them were remotely as awe-inspiring or revolutionary as that first iPhone. Apple has shown they can do amazing things with tech, but haven't for way too long. The M1 chip is a nice step in components, but it doesn't translate into a revolutionary *product* without additional work, and Apple doesn't seem willing to do that work in a post-Jobsian world.

But the thing is, it didn't blow everyone away. Every phone that you listed blew the iPhone out in every aspect of functionality and those that really cared about productivity in that time kept their Palm, Blackberry, or Windows Mobile phone. The thing that made some take a pause was it was the second phone released with a capacitive touch screen but the first to have that kind of marketing behind it.

 

[dgrey]

A component but very important that makes a huge difference on the Mac computers. I don't go to buy M1 Processor in the Apple Store, you are right. I go in the Apple store and buy a specific Mac that has M1 Processor in it, instead of power hungry, unreliable, inefficient, under-powered Intel. (and I have). In case you have missed, Mac sales have surged after the release of the M1 Products.

Apple is making their own chips. So what. They’ve already been doing that.

 

[bernstein]

It’s very obvious that Apple milks the iPhone. And clearly they wil NOT pack an iPhone with all the new features they can come up with. They have to safe some gimmick for the next year’s lineup…

yeah this has been the case for a VERY long time... this started way back around the iphone 4.

back then a lot of this may have been limited manpower/not-enough-polish/prices and so on. but nowadays apple is pretty much entrenched as king of the hill, commands the highest prices and takes almost all profit of the industry. it even funds it's manufacturers production lines...

there are only a few reason's left why a feature is not included :
- can't be reliably mass manufactured
- not enough consumer interest
- needs more polish/work
- not enough profit

 

[rw4tech]

No touchID, no usb-c, no reason to upgrade my iphone8.

No kidding ... still using iPhone8 here too ... so many of my RN/MD colleagues are desperate for Touch ID to communicate safely and efficiently with one another at work again.

 

[Mega ST]

No touch finally? Was set to get the 13mini. Now thinking about downgrading to SE2. What happened to the often claimed upcoming below screen touch ID?

 

[rw4tech]

Why does everyone care so much about Touch ID the pandemic is over soon in the U.K. you don’t need to wear masks anymore

Uh ... the pandemic will be around for at least several more years ... or until 80%+ of the world is fully vaccinated (we're barely 20% now) ... variant upon variant will continue, and if we get one that's vaccine resistant, we're starting all over again ... sorry to burst your bubble, but 4 decades in healthcare has taught me a few things.

 

[nia820]

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[DanTSX]

It'll be replaced by Face ID eventually I suspect. The iPad Air has already inherited the iPad Pro design language ready for Face ID to start coming down to the cheaper devices.

I disagree.

I see a future where both authentication methods are used. Preferably both offered across the entire range.

Face ID already is (and always wad) in “cheaper” devices like the non pro iPhones. It’s not a “premium only” product. There has been more relevant changes to Touch ID thence Face ID in the last few years (iPad Air, TID keyboard). Apple is just too far ahead in iPhone development to get it back into the phones.

 

[STANNATS]

Face ID is so easy to hack! one of the easiest ones is when they get your phone and you are not paying attention they just open it with your face. that is how my kid buys stuff from the internet and this is not even hacking your fingerprint is unique you just have to set it up right.

 

[I7guy]

Face ID is so easy to hack! one of the easiest ones is when they get your phone and you are not paying attention they just open it with your face. that is how my kid buys stuff from the internet and this is not even hacking your fingerprint is unique you just have to set it up right.

Touch id is just as easy. They can just cut your fingers off...if we are talking hypothetically speaking. If your kids are using face id to unlock your phone and it's okay with you, then just don't require attention awareness.

 

[Silverstring]

It’s been like this since the first iPhone, Sherlock…

Also with every offering/product in the history of mankind.

I’m not saying that Apple—or any company—can do no wrong and comes out with perfect phones/products, but people saying Apple purposely “holds back” is an argument that makes me laugh, because it puts such a negative emotional spin on something that is mostly—if not entirely—pragmatic.

Every product has trade-offs and opportunity costs, and economies of scale that enable changes over time. Sunbeam didn’t come out with the perfect toaster in 1950, either.

I find it funny that people are so eager to confidently reduce all of that complexity down to the single variable of “Apple could, but just doesn’t wanna.”

I wish people who trot out this argument regularly could spend a day as a product manager in any company that sells a particular product in the millions, and have to make a real component decision for a product at that scale. There are so many things other than will that constrain you. Even the richest companies in the world aren’t totally vertically integrated and still at the mercy of suppliers.

 

[Haroic135]

Foolish move Apple, but hey, I’m not buying it regardless if it spies on me.

I think Face-Id is better as its more sercure, and also, Face-Id is tested with all sunglasses and masks anyways so at launch or a software update we could have it anyways in iPhone 13 so it won't be a big tradeoff, however, dual-authentication is always better then just Face-Id so, very disappointed in this aspect, otherwise its ok

 

[Haroic135]

I'm getting tired of waiting for Apple to catch up with the competition. My biggest bug bear right now is wearing face masks and not being able to authenticate Apple Pay in stores. I've never found FaceID to be more convenient than TouchID... Fix it.

Just saying, Face-ID in iPhone 13 is getting tested with masks and all sunglasses, so we could see it at launch or a software update, and Apple is not really behind the competition as no company has dual-authentication, however, Apple should've had dual-authentication in iPhones as they clearly have the resources for it, however, timing could be a concern too, overall, a bit disappointed in Apple, but I guess the tradeoffs are balanced, so, I am really just disappointed in all smartphone companies not making dual-authentication possible, it would be so useful

 

[Haroic135]

kind of ridiculous, even my cheap Samsung Galaxy A52 from work has a under the screen fingerprint scanner and it is working flawless. I love how you just touch the screen and your finger almost lights up with an animation popping up on the screen. It almost feels like magic.

I guess that is the disadvantage of having the perfect cash cow in the case of Apple, why bother with anything but camera improvements and a faster chip that you won't really take advantage of, if people (I am not an exception!) just buy it anyway.

Face-Id is more sercure and reliable, and also iPhone 13 Face-Id is tested with masks and all glasses so it could happen at lauch or a future software udpate anyways so it wouldn't be a bad tradeoff anyways without dual-authentication, however, I don't understand why companies like Samsung and Apple can not add dual-authentication, that would've made everything better on every occasion, but they can just never add it especially Samsung as by now, Samsung is just sticking with Touch-ID which sucks as Apple is at least working on under-display Touch-ID, and we are not all dumb and ignorant as people think of iSheeps, and also, performance and camera is extremely important, I guess you never acknowledge this as your A52 has ****** performance and pretty bad camera to even an iPhone SE 2020 which is 100 dollars less expensive or just get ******* by the iPhone Xr or 11 that is soon-to-be the same price as an A52 which could mean serious trouble for Samsung

 

[Haroic135]

There is a world outside of the U.K. and a massive continent called Asia who wore masks anyway.

Apple needs to get this done and catch up with the others.

Face-Id now is getting tested to work with all masks and sunglasses in iPhone 13 according to Jon Proccer, now, Apple could easily implement this in a software update or just at launch

 

[Haroic135]

If true, I’ll pick up another SE for me and one for mom. I just want Touch ID in the Power Button, like the 2020 Air. It’s quite convenient.

Get the 13 mini, Portable phone and better battery life then SE and also Face-Id is getting test to work with masks and foggy glasses which means in a software update or at launch it could be implemented

 

[Haroic135]

Damn you, Apple, now my 7+ has to survive yet another year…

Face Id now is tested to work with masks and all sunglasses in iPhone 13 which means no more waiting as softrware update or at launch this feature could be implemented

 

[normanfox]

No touchID, no usb-c, no reason to upgrade my iphone8.

the same except to uggrade my iphone 7

 

[seek3r]

I think Face-Id is better as its more sercure, and also, Face-Id is tested with all sunglasses and masks anyways so at launch or a software update we could have it anyways in iPhone 13 so it won't be a big tradeoff, however, dual-authentication is always better then just Face-Id so, very disappointed in this aspect, otherwise its ok

Just saying, Face-ID in iPhone 13 is getting tested with masks and all sunglasses, so we could see it at launch or a software update, and Apple is not really behind the competition as no company has dual-authentication, however, Apple should've had dual-authentication in iPhones as they clearly have the resources for it, however, timing could be a concern too, overall, a bit disappointed in Apple, but I guess the tradeoffs are balanced, so, I am really just disappointed in all smartphone companies not making dual-authentication possible, it would be so useful

Face-Id is more sercure and reliable, and also iPhone 13 Face-Id is tested with masks and all glasses so it could happen at lauch or a future software udpate anyways so it wouldn't be a bad tradeoff anyways without dual-authentication, however, I don't understand why companies like Samsung and Apple can not add dual-authentication, that would've made everything better on every occasion, but they can just never add it especially Samsung as by now, Samsung is just sticking with Touch-ID which sucks as Apple is at least working on under-display Touch-ID, and we are not all dumb and ignorant as people think of iSheeps, and also, performance and camera is extremely important, I guess you never acknowledge this as your A52 has ****** performance and pretty bad camera to even an iPhone SE 2020 which is 100 dollars less expensive or just get ******* by the iPhone Xr or 11 that is soon-to-be the same price as an A52 which could mean serious trouble for Samsung

Face-Id now is getting tested to work with all masks and sunglasses in iPhone 13 according to Jon Proccer, now, Apple could easily implement this in a software update or just at launch

Face Id now is tested to work with masks and all sunglasses in iPhone 13 which means no more waiting as softrware update or at launch this feature could be implemented

1) you literally posted essentially the same thing 5 times in a row
2) if it were “easy” to just change FaceID in software to work with masks it would have happened already, it’s not an easy circle to square
3) some of us vastly prefer touchID, and find it reliable

 

[Haroic135]

1) you literally posted essentially the same thing 5 times in a row
2) if it were “easy” to just change FaceID in software to work with masks it would have happened already, it’s not an easy circle to square
3) some of us vastly prefer touchID, and find it reliable

I know I posted 5 times in a row, as it’s directed to different people, and also, my point in that is that the Face-ID technology and hardware is there, just need the software in the iPhone 13 which can be achievable if it has correct hardware and my overall point is that dual-authentication should be available on each smartphone as it satisfy almost all people needs