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The Apple Watch unlock still does not work for app authentication and payments. While the inconvenience factor seems insignificant to you, at least I need to type in my passcode like an animal all too often due to FaceID failing with masks and the Apple Watch unlock not covering the specific app. Having both methods available would be a flexible improvement.
I can't think of Apple Pay as I don't have it here, but it's bad that it's not supported. I still think the appropriate thing to do here is not adding Touch ID but making the current unlock/authentication mechanisms better to support actions currently unsupported like payments or anything that isn't supported currently.
 
There isn’t. You need to decide whether those things or Touch ID is more important, and buy accordingly.

So when you said "All of that is called the iPhone SE" what you meant by "all" was "only a small part of that." Do you have to make that decision between FaceID and those features? Why should we have to decide?

Like I said, it is bloody weird how people like you think anyone for whom TouchID is a better solution be denied access to various features, when we are not saying those who find FaceID works better for them should be denied anything.

I can at least understand people who bizarrely feel the need to point out when they are not interested in anything that would not impact them. But to actively oppose something which makes your experience no different, yet would make it much better for other people. To feel that way? It just makes no sense to me. So very weird.
 
I betcha most normal users upgrade to the Pro Max mostly for the screen size.

But if you're comparing The pro 6.1 to the normal 6.1, camera comes into the equation, but that wasn't the situation mentioned.

I would be shocked if more than 10 percent of normal users upgraded to a new phone for the camera. In fact I'd even go as low as 5 percent.

Guess we will see next year if we do get the 6.7 non pro model
 
This particular feature aside, I’ve learned over the years that with Apple, if a feature doesn’t look like it’s coming with absolutely certainty, it’s not coming.
 
Guess we will see next year if we do get the 6.7 non pro model
Why did you shift the goal posts in the previous post? This wasn't about comparing models. It was about upgrading.

Anyway, if the rumors are true and they release a non pro 6.7 it will be massively popular. It will outsell the Pro Max by at least 2 to 1 if they both have the same front facing silhouette.....IMO.
 
Why did you shift the goal posts? This wasn't about comparing models. It was about upgrading.

Anyway, if the rumors are true and they release a non pro 6.7 it will be massively popular. It will outsell the Pro Max by at least 2 to 1 if they both have the same front facing silhouette.....IMO.

Because you seem to be suggesting people upgrading are doing so for the size more than the cameras. Forgive me if I’m wrong here.

The differences in the pro to non pro is basically just camera related. So if more are buying the pros that’s more based on camera performance and features.

This year the differences will be more camera, 120hz and always on display. Which you won’t see on the non pro models
 
You can enter passcode instead while wearing mask.
That's not even close to being equivalent. Apple wants to focus on the "effortless" experience. To do this in the age of face masks Touch ID is a necessity, not a luxury, especially when the competition has this feature in even the cheapest phones. Customers are noticing. If Apple can't (or won't) supply the demand, the competition always will.
 
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Boo. I want both.

My phone still has Touch ID, my iPad Face ID. There's plenty of times my iPad is a pest, not the right angle, I'm not right in front of it, got something on my face, or is just being a tit and I end up having to put the code in. Likewise when Face ID works, it's better (and obvs if I'm wearing gloves), so both is best for different scenarios. Not sure why some folks here seem to get butthurt by the principle that both means you can use whatever your own preference is!?!?
 
I’ll be honest I’m kind of glad about this. I have it on my android work phone and it’s hardly very efficient. You have to have your finger in a very precise position and it lingers a bit to unlock. Not a long time at all but those delays build up over the day. Face ID is basically instant.
Still faster than entering your password when in the grocery line so you can use the Pay app.
 
I still don't understand why people want a step backwards. Face ID is superior and successor to Touch ID, and Face ID has replaced Touch ID on all the newer/higher end models. Why bring an inferior thing back? I've been using Face ID for years and never missed Touch ID and frankly don't understand why people want Touch ID in addition to Face ID. Sure it's sometimes a very minor inconvenience with this whole mask thing (which is getting over soon anyway) but that's it. Which DOES have a solution: if you are really concerned with wearing a mask AND having a convenient way to unlock your phone, get Apple Watch. Or don't get it and either just briefly uncover your face for a second when unlocking or use passcode. There are literally three options here.

Because wearing masks make face id useless. Why can't we have both, and just enable the one we want. Why does it need to be one or the other. I would also argue that Face ID is not superior, as I've had many a time where Face ID just doesn't work right.
 
I still don't understand why people want a step backwards. Face ID is superior and successor to Touch ID, and Face ID has replaced Touch ID on all the newer/higher end models. Why bring an inferior thing back? I've been using Face ID for years and never missed Touch ID and frankly don't understand why people want Touch ID in addition to Face ID. Sure it's sometimes a very minor inconvenience with this whole mask thing (which is getting over soon anyway) but that's it. Which DOES have a solution: if you are really concerned with wearing a mask AND having a convenient way to unlock your phone, get Apple Watch. Or don't get it and either just briefly uncover your face for a second when unlocking or use passcode. There are literally three options here.
One the mask ending soon lets me honest it is not going to end until 2022 at best plus most likely will be something we all wear doing cold and flu season any how.
As for your excuse of get an Apple watch. Please hand me the 500 bucks so I can buy one. Sadly it does not remove the fact that I don't really want to wear a smart watch and like my Titanium Citizen watch.
Plus why does it have to one or the other. Face ID is not better than touch ID. It is different but not better. In a perfect world I would want both. Honestly If I could only have 1 I would take only touch ID but have the sensor on the back where the apple logo is. On my old Pixel the sensor on the back was perfect for unlocking the phone.

Lastly just because you have never had a problem with it does not mean a lot of the rest of us have not had issues with it.

Why is FaceID so much better than Touch ID? It is cool but why not have both?
 
Why does everyone care so much about Touch ID the pandemic is over soon in the U.K. you don’t need to wear masks anymore
Well, the pandemic is NOT over in the U.S. and I plan on wearing a mask for the foreseeable future. Plus the pandemic is NOT the only reason people wear face coverings. Medical professionals & first responders wear masks. Other activities may require people to wear safety equipment on their heads. The winter season forces many to cover up so as not to freeze their 'grill'. Muslim women cover their faces (for some reason).

It's just very inconvenient to force people to remove their coverings just to unlock their stupid iPhones when simpler solutions already exist.
 


Despite having tested and worked on the technology, Apple has decided not to include an under-screen Touch ID sensor with the upcoming iPhone 13, continuing to leave customers with Face ID as the only biometric authentication option for the iPhone.

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Apple had been testing Touch ID technology that would have allowed the company to place the sensor under the display on the iPhone, allowing users to simply put their finger on the display to authenticate. While Apple regularly tests and researches new ideas and technologies, reports earlier in the year had suggested the company was on track to include Touch ID under the display with the 2021 iPhones.

Now, however, Apple's plans have shifted dramatically, as Bloomberg's Mark Gurman reports in his latest Power On newsletter, an under-screen Touch ID sensor "won't make the cut" for the iPhone 13. Gurman states that Apple's eventual goal is to embed Face ID under the display rather than Touch ID.

The second-generation iPhone SE is currently the only iPhone within the lineup that features Touch ID, but it has made a recent reappearance in the iPad. With the latest-generation iPad Air, Apple engineers were able to embed Touch ID into the Power Button. Apple could choose to bring that same technology to future low-end iPhones while keeping Face ID exclusive to higher-end models.

The reasons for Apple's decision to scrap its initial plan to include Touch ID with the iPhone 13 remains unknown; however, the company may not have felt that the technology is mature enough yet to go mainstream in its flagship iPhones. Alternatively, the company may have felt less pressure to include the feature following the launch of iOS 14.5, which allows customers to unlock their iPhones with their Apple Watch.


The global health crisis and daily wearing of a face mask increased demand for Touch ID, as Face ID doesn't work while a user is wearing a face covering. Apple addressed the problem with iOS 14.5 and watchOS 7.4, allowing customers to unlock their iPhone while they're wearing a mask, as long as they have an Apple Watch.

While the lack of an under-screen Touch ID sensor will be disappointing for some, Apple is still planning some considerable upgrades with the iPhone 13. The new iPhones will focus heavily on camera capabilities, including ProRes and portrait mode for videos. The new handsets will also include a smaller notch, larger batteries, and improved performance.

Article Link: Touch ID Not Returning With iPhone 13, Despite Apple Testing Under-Screen Sensor
They’ve tested the under-screen Touch JD way back with the iPhone X prototype. But it wasn’t as good as the original Touch ID, so they went all in Face ID.

One of my main problems with Face ID is, why not show the passcode screen everytime when swiping up for Face ID? It kills me everytime that I swipe up, and have sometimes to wait for 4-7 seconds to the passcode screen to show up. And many, many times while I was typing the Face ID unlocked the phone. So why not have both, and which ever we do faster is the chosen one? I have the iPhone 12 Pro Max, just let me have both all the time. Sometimes I’m wearing masks, sometime I’m not.
 
In my experience Touch ID fails more times than Face IDo_O. I can't see why Apple would bring back Touch ID in new iPhones specially the PRO models. Apple don't go back if something isn't a big disaster like the MB keyboards was once.

Let's not forget that they removed the 3D Touch screens because of space and cost. Face ID is one of the best things about the iPhone/iPad.
IF and only IF they bring it back it would be a hybrid solution with Face ID.
Been using my 6+ for 7 years now and can count on one hand the number of times my TouchID failed.
 
This has probably been said billionth of times here but Apple is never first at anything and I don't think anyone claims that Apple is first at things. Apple takes their time for tech to be mature and available for productions on quantities of 8 figures or above (unlike the competition) Me first is not Apples game and no one claims it is and that is one of the reasons I stick with Apple.
So, remember how the first iPhone hit the market, and it just completely blew everybody away? Yeah, there were "smart" phones running Palm, BlackBerry, and Symbian, but none of them were remotely as awe-inspiring or revolutionary as that first iPhone. Apple has shown they can do amazing things with tech, but haven't for way too long. The M1 chip is a nice step in components, but it doesn't translate into a revolutionary *product* without additional work, and Apple doesn't seem willing to do that work in a post-Jobsian world.
 
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I don't mind it.
On my old iPhones with Touch ID I always had to clean the sensor and wipe my fingers dry until it registered my fingerprint, it gets so annoying when you are sweating much.

I like Face ID so much better!
An under/in screen sensor wouldn't have that limitation, as it bounces sound waves off your finger/thumb to create a 3D map. Your fingers can be dirty or wet and it will have no effect on the sensor.
 
Last I read the in display fingerprint sensors were not on par with the standalone sensors in speed, accuracy, or security. I'd rather Apple waits till it's working the way it should.
They are actually more accurate and harder to fool/circumvent. They are a bit slower, but we aren't even talking a difference of a second or two. The catch is screen protectors. Only certain glass protectors work with them (i.e. Whitestone Dome Glass). I've found Whitestone's protectors superior to anything else I've ever used, though. Film protectors have no problems with them at all.
 
Looks like this year will be another pass for me. My XS is getting long in the tooth. With this and the spyware, for the first time ever Android is looking tempting.
The new Google Pixel will be awesome with Graphene or CalyxOS on it. Modern day smartphone+ security.

It’s been like this since the first iPhone, Sherlock…

They used to have massive jumps and when they delay something because the tech is not there yet, now the tech is here they just do it on purpose

There is a world outside of the U.K. and a massive continent called Asia who wore masks anyway.

Apple needs to get this done and catch up with the others.

Not to mention people like muslim women , People at work , or come cultural clothings 🤣🤣
 
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