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This test will show 36 min of regular usage, they are on the same wifi and running the same tested apps, the one thing I noticed from running the tests is that TSMC will run at lower Ghz more frequently(as low as 1.76) and the Samsung running at a more consistent 1.83-1.85. Now it will always have variations in the tests and this is my experience. I have gotten about the same battery life on both devices and am only speaking for me not every iPhone user. Enjoy
 
My god, no need to get your panties in a bunch! I believe we should all wait for anandtech to complete their review. It's been a week since the preliminary results came out, so the full review should be out soon...
 
On the 6S it doesn't matter. Neither chip will last you for two days, and both chips will last you for a full day with time left over to spare unless you're using your device as a hotspot all day. If you're doing that then you probably have your bag with you—just pick up a $20 Anker 10,400mah dual-USB battery charger. I've got one for emergencies since we get a lot of storms and ice in the midwest and I can use it if I need to tether. I've got the Samsung chip and most days I have 30-40% left over and even with heavier use (lots of videos or games) I'm still above 10% by the time I go to bed. On days where I use my iPad a lot in the evening it will be around 50-60%. Battery life is never great the first few days or week because you need to calibrate the battery and you're likely using it a lot more than normal. Once things settled down my battery was fine on my 6s. Took it off the charger at 7:30am; it's 3pm now and I'm at 77%. Today was an average use day for me.
 
Was this test with a single pair of these phones or were multiple examples used to test the battery life? I ask because I've had remarkably bad luck over the years with battery inconsistencies in production. I've got a 1st Gen iPod Touch that still lasts 5 hours over a half decade later and a 4th gen model that won't last 30 minutes and never did last that long to begin with. I've got a 5th gen iPod Touch that is less than a year old that is getting 5 hours max (reading books on it) when it should be getting 7 hours watching movies. I've gotten a home phone battery that died after one charge and a replacement one that did the same thing. I've got a weed whipper that runs on a recharable lead acid battery that is 9 years old and still holds a 30 minute charge weed whipping (40 originally maybe) and a hedge trimmer with a nickel metal hydride battery that didn't last 3 years and went maybe 10 minutes after the first year. My point is that rechargeable batteries are inconsistent and generally suck after all these years still. I wouldn't trust a single pair trial as far as I can spit. Now if they used many sets to compare it might be a different story. Since you can't just easily swap batteries you can't rule out the sources could be different there as well rather than just assume it's the CPU.


And this is why people need to understand basic statistics.

Several posters have already commented that an n-of-1 trial is meaningless; you have detailed some of the reasons why. There are many more.

This is real-world stuff. Concepts like this should be taught in school, not some of the crap that they focus on. (well, first, there should be more focus on basics like math and spelling, but that's another rant...)
 
I would be shocked if they used performance numbers for price negotiation. Apple has always been a multiple vendor based company. It wouldn't be performance as the reason for higher prices, it would be the fear of not meeting the supply demands with only using TSMC fabbed products.

If you were a developer with multiple vendors, you always use the lowest performance common denominator when defining your specifications.

Yes both Apple and vendors would be focused on certain common spec metrics.

Apple would then negotiate with concern for meeting customer demand.

TSMC might discover they exceeded one specified metric - energy efficiency - and therefore hold firm price floor.

Samsung would need to budge very little to obtain the early reported 70/30 advantage.

Apple would ultimately pay TSMC whatever price to ensure supply to customers, but still leave Samsung with a 60/40 advantage.

It was earlier reported that Samsung secured its first year-over-year profitability via chips not phones, and specifically because A9 chips had a firm floor for unknown reason.

Just sayin.. speculatin.. munchin popd cornz
 
Was this test with a single pair of these phones or were multiple examples used to test the battery life? I ask because I've had remarkably bad luck over the years with battery inconsistencies in production. (...) Now if they used many sets to compare it might be a different story. Since you can't just easily swap batteries you can't rule out the sources could be different there as well rather than just assume it's the CPU.

True that!
My original iPhone battery died within 6 months, my iPhone 4 still has it's original 5 year old battery and holds a charge that is approx. 80% since new.
I've had my iPhone 5 battery exchanged twice within 2 years.
Same goes for my past Macbook batteries, but I won't go into detail about that.
 
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Here we go, SOC-gate.


Antennagate was lame and I really didn't care and it didn't effect me even though I had a 4, bendgate didn't effect me and I had a 6.

But a nearly 25% difference in battery life? That's the kind of stuff class action lawsuits are made of, seriously. This is a much bigger deal than bendgate or antennagate, particularly since it's so easily quantifiable. Far more quantifiable than "I don't get good signal sometimes" or "some phones bend if they're in your pocket a certain way."
 
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I went from a 6 Plus to a 6s. I noticed the battery on my 6s drains MUCH quicker than my 6 Plus. I did the test anyways to see what chip I have and it looks like I have the Samsung chip. I don't know if the 6s carries a smaller battery than the 6 Plus, if the Samsung chip is to blame or if it's just my specific phone, but there is definitely something causing the battery to drain much quicker than I expected and this COULD be a reason.
 
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Pretty unscientific in my opinion.
  • I noticed the picture in the OP showed one phone with a SIM and one w/o.
  • What about background apps
  • What about screen brightness and mode
  • Apple sometimes sources displays from different manufacturers
  • How long after these two phones were configured was the benchmark run, for example was spotlight still indexing content?
  • etc.
 
How can I see which processor I Have? I downloaded the app, but the manufacturer slot is blank and not updating. Do I need the full version?
 
I wonder if you can request a certain chip maker when placing your order or is it hit or miss. 2 hrs is a huge difference.
 
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My test seems low 6s 64gb

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You can't rule out the mask Apple gave to Samsung was different from TSMC in substantial ways to reduce IP they loose to Samsung, which seems to be ubiquitous.

Yes Samsung could only use conventional methods to image a TSMC chip to compare to their chips or the mask itself. But that would give them the ability co compare/contrast within a few months of product release.

Rocketman
 
Pretty unscientific in my opinion.
  • I noticed the picture in the OP showed one phone with a SIM and one w/o.
  • What about background apps
  • What about screen brightness and mode
  • Apple sometimes sources displays from different manufacturers
  • How long after these two phones were configured was the benchmark run, for example was spotlight still indexing content?
  • etc.

You are asking too much from some one off test by some random reddit dude. If all of that was available MR wouldn't have a super click baity article to get eyeballs.
 
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You can't rule out the mask Apple gave to Samsung was different from TSMC in substantial ways to reduce IP they give Samsung which seems to be ubiquitous.

Yes Samsung could only use conventional methods to image a TSMC chip to compare to their chips or the mask itself. But that would give them the ability co compare/contrast within a few months of product release.

Rocketman
That would be quite the dick move on Apple's part. They're punishing their customers more than Samsung in such a scenario. I highly doubt Apple deliberately gimped the Samsung part.
 
My problem with the screen grabs in the article is that the phone performing worst doesn't have a SIM installed, so perhaps it's spending more time and energy searching for a network than the other. Need some conclusive tests to account for simple variables.

This is the internet, all we need is a single sample and that, my friend, is conclusive findings for every single other phone.
 
I have a Samsung chip in my 6s Plus, but I've been getting great battery life. Usually 10.5-11 hours of usage (screen on) time.
 
People without a background in statistics should not use the term significant so causally. With an N of 1 you can't claim a statistically significant difference. There may be real differences, but anecdotal crap like this just fuels clicks and wild irresponsible posting.

are you kidding ? ! - this "result" was based on one sample phone?

be smarter than this mac rumors - you said a "few" in your article to whichj I hope was a dozen or so if you choose to republish this info...
 
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Yes both Apple and vendors would be focused on certain common spec metrics.

Apple would then negotiate with concern for meeting customer demand.

TSMC might discover they exceeded one specified metric - energy efficiency - and therefore hold firm price floor.

Samsung would need to budge very little to obtain the early reported 70/30 advantage.

Apple would ultimately pay TSMC whatever price to ensure supply to customers, but still leave Samsung with a 60/40 advantage.

It was earlier reported that Samsung secured its first year-over-year profitability via chips not phones, and specifically because A9 chips had a firm floor for unknown reason.

Just sayin.. speculatin.. munchin popd cornz

You maybe indeed be right but here are my two cents:

If the company has had first year over year profitability via chips and if you want to assume its because of the volume of the iphone, its more related to the fact that Samsung is running 14nm vs the iphone 6s 20nm process. This, if pricing of the fabrication stays constant would result in better margins for Samsung for 14nm if yields were consistent.

There are far more likely other reasons for profitability. It could be possible that performance might play a game, but then again you have to look at the baseline. BTW, there is no way of Samsung knowing the performance numbers until final fab and design validation process. These values would also not be characterized by Samsung but by Apple and their internal teams. By then, pricing negotiation was far defined before finalization of the characteristic of the FAB output and in this case, there is no way for Samsung to fix the design (if for example there was higher idle current found from their fabbed processor).

So most likely during performance specs that were sent to the public, the least common characterized specification would then be used to determine all benchmark scores. TSMC would be just a performance bonus for any customer that happens to get it.

It's the same when Apple changed the Ipad design years ago from one fab process to a lower process without telling the customer, but in turn resulted in better battery performance.
 
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