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well not the exact same processor (Lynnfield or Gainestown) - rather one from the same family, i.e., Nehalem. the MBP could get Clarksfield (quad core) or Arrandale (dual core), which are the mobile versions of Nehalem.

Oh I get it, thanks!
Wow Quad Core in a MacBook Pro would be nice!
 
I wont be updating my Macbook 13" CE until the C2D is double the speed of what I have now or a C2Q is used.

USB 3 is being held back by Intel & AMD.

the only advances I can see for the 13" in the near future are 16x9 screens, the ability to have 16GB Ram (2x8GB)

I seriously doubt apple could fit a GPU that tonks the 9400 inside the 13" unless they gave the user the option of Dumping the the cdrom drive & putting a sexual beast of a gfx card in its place...mobile 4850 anyone?
 
Oh I get it, thanks!
Wow Quad Core in a MacBook Pro would be nice!

you're welcome!

yeah, it'll be cool if they can fit one in without melting the thing! i would expect maybe only the 17" would get quads. we'll see though...

i'm very anxious for benchmarks of the i5/i7 iMacs, to see how much the quads speed up real-world tasks.
 
16:9 screen aspect ratio may be nice for TV & movie watching, but it leaves off a lot of screen for those that need to have a lot of vertical data display. The older 4:3 ratio or a rotating screen is best for those that need vertical space more than horizontal space. In larger sizes a 16:10 ratio gives a usuable amount of vertical space. The 30" with a 2560 X 1600 resolution is the size I like to start with.

The iMac with its 16:9 screen resolution is a start in the wrong direction for good computing. It is the continuing sign that Apple wants to be an entertainment company. If Apple pushes the 16:9 aspect ratio to the Intel MacBook Pro then they will give more old time Mac people the needed push to go to the growing Mac Clone market.

Things like the 16:9 TV/movie screen aspect ratio, the lack of a numeric keypad on a laptop & for sometime now no numeric keypad on any wireless Apple keyboard are a sign that Apple doesn't really want to satisfy the business Mac User.

Having never purchasing a Windows computer as I moved straight from my HeathKit H-89 to a Mac in 1984 I don't know where to start, but Apple is pushing. But I have to be able to run the Mac OS for 95+% of my computer work.

One possible reason that the iMac may be 16:9 is to keep it from taking all of the 30" screen sales. Just compare the price of a 27" iMac & a 30" Apple display.

I'm hoping that they don't go the 16:9 route.'

While I share your disapproval of the computer industry caving in to or following the movie industry's 16:9 fad, I doubt anyone can seriously consider the clone market. The iMac's are all 16:9 now and the notebooks will obviously follow shortly (sadly). Unfortunately, I've been looking around recently an practically every LCD is 16:9 in s‡!itty TV resolutions such as 1366x768 and 1920x1080, each manufacturer has many models of these LCD's and perhaps only one or at best two models offering 1680x1050. Worse, PC laptops are practically all 16:9, so it appears unfortunately that LCD makers are only making 16:9 now, which means Apple have no choice but to follow.

I'm really starting to resent Apple's switcher campaign and all the windows lusers it has attracted. I've noticed a trend on forums where these switchers cry and bitch about Apple products and their lack of '****ty assed' PC features. I get the distinct feeling that Apple have been unduly influenced by the demands of these PC switchers, since their cries for glossy displays, SD or other card readers, and now 16:9 displays have all been forced into all Apple products as standard and eventually charging us more for custom builds which is p!$$!n many of the long term Mac user base off especially when they start messing around with removing Firewire and ExpressCard.

The Pro in the machines is turing into "Pro = Prostitute'
 
this bozo who just bought a MacPro, and he did one of his presentations in Keynote... In he came dragging that beast with all his might.

He must have thought it was show-and-tell time. :rolleyes: But on a side note, at least he didn't drag along a PC.
 
What I want is a MacPro rumor!!! I'm definitely in the market for one, but feel like there will be a significant update soon...
 
It's about today one pays ~1000 € for a laptop which after 2~6 months one can get it for ~30% less (or with 30% more power for the same money). That's not funny.
It's about the value of MY money.
(not to mention the premium Apple is charging outside US, as there is more than US outthere)

I'm not going to change my AluMB anytime soon just because some specs bump or the name change (ie AluMB to 13"MPB), but I don't feel happy to know the value of my hard earned money are depreciating even faster than the technology. I'm actually pretty pissed off because of that.

Have you heard of sunk cost? It's an economic term that suggests you shouldn't cry about spilled milk. The money has been spent, depreciation happened, and in your case, maybe you've had the use of the machine for roughly a year now. Prices in the computer industry have been sliding down consistently, the only reason Macs haven't is because Apple can command such a price vs. commodity machines.

Do you mean the updated model being cheaper, or being able to get the exact same model cheaper? I don't think Apple is doing more price drops soon, they already did that several months ago. Technology depreciation happens, if you don't have the latest one you're not going to get the same resale value.

The premium Apple charges in Europe is a different matter, the costs of operating a division in Europe is a lot higher than in the US, you also have more duties and taxes that are built into the cost too. For the large part, the US doesn't have duties built into the cost because Customs doesn't charge that for a lot of products. The US doesn't have VAT, any taxes are at the state or local level and added on top of the price, your taxes are built into the price.

While I share your disapproval of the computer industry following caving in to and following the movie industries 16:9 fad

Caving in? I think it's more like marketing thinking they can get away with it, not any pressure from the video industry. My parent's notebooks call it "optimized for HD", which is silly, cutting the screen shorter to fit videos just makes the computer feel more cramped. I really don't get why the screen has to be shaped for video either, I personally use computers for video playback quite a bit, but I still think that it's not common enough to alter a computer screen just for that, especially when it makes the screen shorter (not as tall), so it requires more scrolling.
 
Considering that they just did the stupid move to only update the WMB, i.e you pay 200$ more to get a MBP with 100go hardrive less, I think that there might be an update soon.

I mean, how many WMB does Apple sell compared to MBPs ?

I really hope they'll do the update before christmas, and before Black Friday for you us citizens.
 
I still use my iBook G3 every day. 10.2.8 (dual boot with System 9), 640 MB of RAM, 30 GB hard drive, 32 MB of video memory. 90 minutes of charge on the original battery. Four years since my APP expired and still ticking. I get really miffed when there are people around here who complain that they don't have the newest Mac because a new one comes out. The more updates that come out while you have your current computer, the better computer you'll end up with when you choose your next one, people.

That said, it'll probably be getting replaced by one of the next two 13" Pro updates. That'll be a real update.

Upgrading from a G3? That's three major processor generations behind. I wonder if you'd be kicking yourself for holding out for so long. Heck, I wonder if anything in the Apple reconditioned store would be so much faster that you wish you didn't hold out for so long.
 
I was going to buy next week...:confused: I don't know what to do now...:apple: I love u and I hate u.

If you can wait, I think you should. Looking at the buyers guide, there are 60 days until the MBP is due for an update (which puts it around Christmas), and the processors that are highly speculated to be in the next Macbook Pros (Arrandale) are considerably better than the ones currently available. Two or three months is not a long time and it would be worth the wait if Arrandale processors show up.
 
If you can wait, I think you should. Looking at the buyers guide, there are 60 days until the MBP is due for an update (which puts it around Christmas), and the processors that are highly speculated to be in the next Macbook Pros (Arrandale) are considerably better than the ones currently available. Two or three months is not a long time and it would be worth the wait if Arrandale processors show up.

Yeah, I'm thinking on that too. However, I use a lot of mathematical processing (Matlab) and I don't really know if it is a good deal to trade clock and 6mb cache for Quad Core. What you guys think?:confused:
 
Moar graphics options please.

I'll take a 1 GB video card option, ATI or NVIDIA, don't care. Just update the graphics already!
On the NOSE!!! Ive been needing something for years that can handle Motion Design and 3D on a MBP. My current early Jan 2009 model doesnt cut it for Motion design in HD format :(
 
If you can wait, I think you should. Looking at the buyers guide, there are 60 days until the MBP is due for an update (which puts it around Christmas), and the processors that are highly speculated to be in the next Macbook Pros (Arrandale) are considerably better than the ones currently available. Two or three months is not a long time and it would be worth the wait if Arrandale processors show up.

Clarksfield is a higher spec CPU then Arrandale will be and more powerful. Physical cores alway's beat pretend cores. I don't even think Arrandale has turbo mode does it?
 
Due to the imbalance between the MBP13 and the MB, I see an update to the 13 shortly. Maybe just a speed bump and HDD increase. IF there are new MBPs then it needs new chips, which Apple would have to get early, by the sounds of things. And if they update in the near future, before Xmas, which means before Nov 27 basically, then I can't see another major update coming in Jan/Feb, re-tooling etc would cost too much. But if the plists are in 10.6.2 that means machines will come before 10.6.3, or they could just put the plists in there. So an update would appear to be imminent. The whole thing seems to depend on Intel to me, if they can't get the chips to Apple then there's no update. In the case of the iMac core i5 and i7 the delay appears to be with the ATI graphics cards, not the Intel side, add a radeon 4850 to a current 27" base model and the shipping date goes to Nov. Anyway I want a 13 MBP and a core i5 iMac, so I'm waiting a little while longer.
 
They updated Macbooks, but not Macbook Pros right? Would love to see price drop on the 15" and 17" as well.

BTW Intel i5 and i7 would be very great on MBPs!

P.S. Is the black Friday sale this Friday for you guys in the US as well? I'm looking for a good iPod deal...
"Black Friday" in the US is the day after Thanksgiving, which is the day that is supposed to have the most shoppers and is the "bar" by which retailers determine how well/poor the shopping season will be.
 
I'd wet myself if these "MacBookPro" are actually the rumored mac tablets... But I guess that's hoping for WAY too much :confused:
Nah, that makes zero sense. Apple would not give a brand new product the same designation as a longtime product line.

Personally, I wouldn't even expect this tablet to run Mac OS X if the rumors about it running on an ARM processor are correct. It would probably run on a souped-up version of the iPhone OS.
 
In case apple doesn't release the new models on 24 Nov, then only on March. It makes no sense after holiday.
 
@#$^&#... Just ordered a 15" uMBP last week...
My advise is to be dissatisfied with it the entire time you own it on the basis you considered many factors prior to purchase and each of those time-sensitive factors have been proven entirely wrong by the rumor there may some day be another release of a better product with as yet unknown features, benefits, release time, or costs.

Rocketman

Infiniband port. :) Why not 2?
 
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