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My suggestion of a redesign (and I only think minor if anything) was to support a theory why they might update the 21.5 inch to 4K and not touch the 27 inch ones at all. The rumours currently do not mention the 27 inch and some people wondered how could they possibly not refresh the 27 inch if they updated the 21.5.

If its just a silent update to the 27" there may not be a rumor.
 
I wonder if TB3 gets in the new iMacs if the "pro" machines don't have them yet. Usually the MacPro or Macbook pro first get the faster ports before the iMac. Would also be very strange if the 21.5 iMac already has TB3 and the 27" not... Something doesn't add up with the imminent refresh of the 21.5 iMac, I wouldn't be surprised if they don't get TB3.
 
1. No.
2. Maybe
3. Nope.
4. 395m = 2% performance increase
5. Nope.
6. Nope.

Speculate with me on the performance boost of an updated 27.

1) Skylake i7 = 20% faster?
2) PCI-E = new version twice as fast?
3) Switch to NVIDIA for cuda?
4) Stay with AMD, 395x is how much faster?
5) New GPU has more than 4gb?
6) Expandable to 64gb ram?

Almost bought the fully loaded retina refurb for $3500, but the refresh just has to be faster right?
 
With GPUs like the AMD R9 Nano and the new GTX 980 for notebooks, desktop and laptop GPU performance seems to be merging as the chips get efficient enough. I suspect NVidia may drop the "M" moniker all together from their naming scheme in a generation or two.
NVIDIA already has a notebook GPU called the GTX 980. It'll be interesting to see if more non-M laptop parts follow in the future.

Speculate with me on the performance boost of an updated 27.

1) Skylake i7 = 20% faster?
2) PCI-E = new version twice as fast?
3) Switch to NVIDIA for cuds?
4) Stay with AMD, 395x is how much faster?
5) New GPU has more than 4gb?
6) Expandable to 64gb ram?

Almost bought the fully loaded retina refurb for $3500, but the refresh just has to be faster right?
I don't know enough to speculate about the non-GPU stuff, but regarding the GPU, Apple seems to like AMD's GPUs lately so I highly doubt we will see NVIDIA in the iMac. The M395X's specs are identical to the M295X's except that the maximum memory amount is increased from 4 GB to 8 GB. So we could see a 8 GB M395X but since the 8 GB is the maximum amount, there may not be anything stopping Apple from using a 4 GB M395X.
 
If its just a silent update to the 27" there may not be a rumor.
If you read my post on page 18 you'll see even a "silent" spec bump to the 27 COULD offer substantial performance gains. Especially for folks like me that make a living in post production
 
It's funny how with each passing day, the BTO date also slips by a day on the site.
 
I think "merging" is the wrong term. The low power GPUs are just getting more powerful, fast. The high power GPUs are also getting more powerful. There is always going to be a need for low and high power (TDP) GPUs to suit the application.

Distinctions between desktop/laptop GPU by putting an "M" in a name is just marketing. The specs dictate the application in the end. People want a 250W desktop class GPU, they don't want a 100W part marketed as "desktop class" (all else being equal of course).

Exactly. And that GTX 980 "for laptops" comes with a huge external cooler. If I wanted that I'd go with a Mac Pro instead. Now if they could fit that cooler in new iMacs that would be awesome...
 
If you're right I'll definitely grab a refurb. Thanks for the input!
We will certainly know a lot more on Tuesday! (Assuming that's the day). New models should come with new keyboard and trackpad. I still hold out hope for a wide gamut screen on the 27" that is the major upgrade. TB3 and Skylake hold little appeal for me. Perhaps they can tweak another .2 GHz out of the 4GHz Haswell part
 
There isn't much to show if the design is the same. Plus, leaks of future Macs are not frequent. The don't interest nearly as many people as iPhone leaks do.
I just hope they don't make it thinner. We need performance, proper cooling (and quiet), not a 3mm thin desktop.

Sometimes I don't get their decisions. I mean, instead of making the iPhone 3mm thinner, make the battery last 5 hours more for god's sake

Someone (I sadly forget his/her name) wrote in a forum the following analysis, which might be suitable to this discussion:

This is exactly what I believe Apple meant with the (widely misunderstood and mocked) "magical" term they were using for a while. What's the difference between magic and technology? Technology has a visible, physical implementation — in the case of computer technology, that's blinking lights, buttons, wires, clicking hard drives, humming fans, etc. Apple wants to make this exposed implementation disappear. I think they clearly design their hardware by starting with the question "If there were no implementation constraints, what form would this device take?" They build something as close to that as they can with the available technology, and as technology improves, they keep inching closer.

Apple is pretty much literally trying to slim down physical form factors until hardware gets so small it disappears. It's why their only two desktop machines are an SFF device that tries to be as tiny as it can possibly be, and an AIO that tries to be nothing but screen. You see slimming down the Mac Pro form factor as something that requires an affirmative justification. Apple views the fact that computer hardware has to occupy any physical space at all as a vexing consequence of our still primitive technology, to be rectified as soon as possible.
 
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Don't shoot the messenger but when they released the retina 27 inch last year they did nothing to the 21.5 inch. So it wouldn't be so inconsistent if they did nothing with the 27 inch this year.
Outwardly yes. Inwardly, update is happening
 
Don't shoot the messenger but when they released the retina 27 inch last year they did nothing to the 21.5 inch. So it wouldn't be so inconsistent if they did nothing with the 27 inch this year.
True, however the 27 is the premier iMac. It is underpowered and overheated. Leaving this iMac with same configuration would be a mistake with the Christmas season coming.
I've been waiting a year, I can wait longer.
 
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I wish there was more indication of the 27" getting an update.......I don't want to settle on last years model, I don't know! With the rumored upgrades to the 21.5", would the current 27" Retina still more more powerful?
 
Don't shoot the messenger but when they released the retina 27 inch last year they did nothing to the 21.5 inch. So it wouldn't be so inconsistent if they did nothing with the 27 inch this year.

It seems a little different releasing a smaller iMac with better specs than the big one.
 
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Looks like amazon is now out of stock of every 21.5 and 27 inch iMac (retina included). In fact, they're not even listed a seller anymore on any iMac except one 27" model that ships in "1-2 months".

Best Buy also no longer shows in-store pickup availability on any iMac except the 27" retina. And even with that it's only showing a small number of stores that still have it in stock, with no "available later" option for other stores like they have with other products.

This can only mean that all current iMac models have been discontinued at these retailers and the entire line will be updated on Tuesday.
 
Looks like amazon is now out of stock of every 21.5 and 27 inch iMac (retina included). In fact, they're not even listed a seller anymore on any iMac except one 27" model that ships in "1-2 months".

Best Buy also no longer shows in-store pickup availability on any iMac except the 27" retina. And even with that it's only showing a small number of stores that still have it in stock, with no "available later" option for other stores like they have with other products.

This can only mean that all current iMac models have been discontinued at these retailers and the entire line will be updated on Tuesday.


This is promising. I wonder if I should go ahead and cancel my 5k BTO now, since it's 2 weeks shipping anyways. Worse case always reorder Tuesday if no refresh 0.0
 
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This is promising. I wonder if I should go ahead and cancel my 5k BTO now, since it's 2 weeks shipping anyways. Worse case always reorder Tuesday if no refresh 0.0
I did that myself a few days ago. The ship date slipped far enough that it didn't seem to matter either way. The BTO date on Apple's US site continues to slide with every passing day. I find it hard to believe there's so many BTOs that they can't keep up with demand. Something is happening. Hopefully something good, and not production capacity diverted to the launch of 21.5" 4ks.
 
I did that myself a few days ago. The ship date slipped far enough that it didn't seem to matter either way. The BTO date on Apple's US site continues to slide with every passing day. I find it hard to believe there's so many BTOs that they can't keep up with demand. Something is happening.

Do you think they would hold off on 27" if they are only refreshing 21.5? Like would that many of the 27 BTO people want refunds for the 21.5 refresh that it is worth delaying the entire iMac line ?
 
Do you think they would hold off on 27" if they are only refreshing 21.5? Like would that many of the 27 BTO people want refunds for the 21.5 refresh that it is worth delaying the entire iMac line ?
I edited my post above after your quote, but I guess anything is plausible. If they're ramping up production of 21.5" 4Ks, maybe it's coming at the expense of 27" BTO's? It's all just wild speculation though. I have no idea about Apple's production capacity, supply chain, etc. We don't even know for sure there's a 4k 21.5" in the works.

If the date hadn't slipped, I wouldn't have cancelled my order. Once they pushed it back, though, it made it easier to wait since I was going to be waiting either way. I've accepted it now. :D
 
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