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all i know is that i talk on my iphone for more than 2 minutes once a month and during that call, the signal drops at least 3 times no matter where i am.

I have found that standing on my head on holding the phone with my feet helps quite a bit.
 
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No, you don't. If you don't want to pay Comcast for poor but expensive service, don't.
Why do people continue to compare the United States to every other country in the world?
Because the Martians don't get discussed on Engadget?
The problem is there isn't enough telecom competition in the United States. Deregulation would go a long way for lowering phone bills.
4 ought to be enough. And there are more than 4. And the big 4 have vastly different plans/prices, so there doesn't seem to be obvious collusion. Recently they have been dropping prices a bit, first time in quite some time.
I don't believe Verizon is ready for a "sudden jump in users." I don't know about there 4G network, but I hit many dead spots with my 3G phone.
Those are not related issues.
And I'd love to hear the excuses why people don't think geography and population doesn't play into it.

ROFL... completely predictable dribble.

It's not about densities... you go small enough, my home has the same average population density as does the rest of the United States.
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You typed both these on the same day?

Data service is an issue of pop density. And the number of towers is also an issue. Look at your Canada example. Canada is bigger than the USA physically. They essentially need the same number of towers for fewer people. That's a lot of cost to be paid by fewer people. Now, I don't know what their coverage is like, but if it is comparable to the USA, they are doing a better job with less cash.

So, where's the cash going in the US?
 
Whyt is it taking so long? over here in Mexico we already have the CDMA iPhone 4 with IUSACELL

Good day people!
 
No, you don't. If you don't want to pay Comcast for poor but expensive service, don't.

Because the Martians don't get discussed on Engadget?

4 ought to be enough. And there are more than 4. And the big 4 have vastly different plans/prices, so there doesn't seem to be obvious collusion. Recently they have been dropping prices a bit, first time in quite some time.

Those are not related issues.



You typed both these on the same day?

Data service is an issue of pop density. And the number of towers is also an issue. Look at your Canada example. Canada is bigger than the USA physically. They essentially need the same number of towers for fewer people. That's a lot of cost to be paid by fewer people. Now, I don't know what their coverage is like, but if it is comparable to the USA, they are doing a better job with less cash.

So, where's the cash going in the US?

I just went to the rogers site to see how much of canada they cover. It looked they covered way less than half if that. Then I compared to verizons coverage in the US, might be my eyes, but it looked like they have to cover a whole lot more square footage than in canada. I used these two sites. For the Rogers, I kinda added all three types together.

http://www.verizonwireless.com/wireless-coverage-area-map.shtml

http://www.rogers.com/web/content/w...sumer-_-Network_1110_Eng-_-Network_ClaimImage
 
Verizon could've had the iPhone 4 years ago, but they said no and AT&T said yes. I have been using iPhone on AT&T since mid-2009, 3G, 3GS, and now iPhone 4, and have used it up and down the East Coast, and have had no problems with AT&T's service. I know others have, but the majority of iPhone users have not. If, and when, the iPhone ever does show up with Verizon, it will be interesting to see how they handle the massive increase in data and calls. Frankly, if it had been Verizon from the start, I doubt their track record would be that much better than AT&T.

Clearly you don't know the difference between CDMA and GSM. With Verizon's EVDO they are able to have voice and data separate MEANING increase in data would NOT effect calls.
 
A few points:

1. I was in a Verizon store the other day and the salesman noted that I was eligible for a new phone. I replied, no, I'm waiting to see if you get an iPhone, and walked out of the store. I can't be the only one doing this, which means they are losing boatloads of sales as many people are waiting to see. If there was no iPhone, then why wouldn't Verizon stomp out these rumors this time?

2. Apple's stock price points have been gauged by analysts next year under the assumption of a Verizon iPhone. If it doesn't happen, not only will Apple lose millions of potential sales (they've milked AT&T all they can), but they may very well see a drop in their stock. Apple is to the point that it MUST expand its iPhone offerings in the U.S. to further increase their stock price, as well as profit margins...period.

3. Those who assume to think that Verizon will never get the iPhone are just plain silly. Apple knows Verizon has a larger subscriber base and knows they're itching to get an iPhone, but not willing to move to AT&T to get it. That equals millions of sales, plain and simple. To assume that Verizon will forever be left in the cold is ludicrous to say the least.
 
A few points:

1. I was in a Verizon store the other day and the salesman noted that I was eligible for a new phone. I replied, no, I'm waiting to see if you get an iPhone, and walked out of the store. I can't be the only one doing this, which means they are losing boatloads of sales as many people are waiting to see. If there was no iPhone, then why wouldn't Verizon stomp out these rumors this time?

2. Apple's stock price points have been gauged by analysts next year under the assumption of a Verizon iPhone. If it doesn't happen, not only will Apple lose millions of potential sales (they've milked AT&T all they can), but they may very well see a drop in their stock. Apple is to the point that it MUST expand its iPhone offerings in the U.S. to further increase their stock price, as well as profit margins...period.

3. Those who assume to think that Verizon will never get the iPhone are just plain silly. Apple knows Verizon has a larger subscriber base and knows they're itching to get an iPhone, but not willing to move to AT&T to get it. That equals millions of sales, plain and simple. To assume that Verizon will forever be left in the cold is ludicrous to say the least.

VERY good points!
 
A few points:

1. I was in a Verizon store the other day and the salesman noted that I was eligible for a new phone. I replied, no, I'm waiting to see if you get an iPhone, and walked out of the store. I can't be the only one doing this, which means they are losing boatloads of sales as many people are waiting to see. If there was no iPhone, then why wouldn't Verizon stomp out these rumors this time?

A few months back, the COO did just this and told us there was no Verizon iPhone in the near future. I assume this means "go buy our Android phones now, we don't want you waiting 6-12 more months for an iPhone to make a purchase". Could also mean that whatever deal is being made, it wasn't finalized.

2. Apple's stock price points have been gauged by analysts next year under the assumption of a Verizon iPhone. If it doesn't happen, not only will Apple lose millions of potential sales (they've milked AT&T all they can), but they may very well see a drop in their stock. Apple is to the point that it MUST expand its iPhone offerings in the U.S. to further increase their stock price, as well as profit margins...period.

I think you mean to just say profit...not profit margin and the margins will likely be the same or even decrease due to the R&D necessary for a CDMA or LTE model.

Also, while I do agree with you, it's either happening or it isn't. Apple can't just say "oh, the stockholders are expecting it due to all these rumors. We'd better go make it happen quick!"

3. Those who assume to think that Verizon will never get the iPhone are just plain silly. Apple knows Verizon has a larger subscriber base and knows they're itching to get an iPhone, but not willing to move to AT&T to get it. That equals millions of sales, plain and simple. To assume that Verizon will forever be left in the cold is ludicrous to say the least.

Agreed.

That would make sense if the iPad was a smartphone. The menu that the poster pulled up was specifically referring to smart phones, not the iPad menu you referenced.

Yeah, but this all goes back to how their database is configured and the view enabled on that page. I'm assuming someone was too lazy to write a filter that completely obscured the view of OS for products that are NOT smartphones and they just show you the entire OS table....with certain values simply greyed out if a matching product is unavailable.
 
What's the linkage

between CES and Verizon iPhone? I believe neither Apple nor Verizon participate in CES so why would the rumor even mention one?
 
between CES and Verizon iPhone? I believe neither Apple nor Verizon participate in CES so why would the rumor even mention one?

It was an assumption based on the fact that Ivan Seidenberg is giving the keynote at CES.
 
A really bad assumption given that January is now more reflected upon the iPad and it coming to Verizon.

It's not like Apple hasn't announced multiple products in the same event. Or did you mean it would be more likely that if they did announce a Verizon iPhone, it would be at the iPad announcement instead of CES?

Either way, I completely missed this:

“I can’t give you any insights. But I think Apple is the one that has to make that announcement.”
-Lowell McAdam

So it's definite that Verizon would not announce it. I thought it could be a possibility, but I was mistaken.
 
So it's definite that Verizon would not announce it. I thought it could be a possibility, but I was mistaken.

I wouldn't expect Verizon to announce it either but it will be interesting to hear what he says because he knows it will be on everyone's mind. Is he just going to deliver a speech or is he going to take questions from the press?
 
The rumors have not "bumped" the Verizon iPhone to February. They have narrowed the vague release of "early 2011" to "before Valentine's Day 2011." That is not a bump. This is Apple insiders managing expectations because of the CES-Verizon connection. I would fully expect now that we'll hear nothing about the Verizon iPhone at CES. The Verizon iPhone will come in the weeks after, probably around the same time that the iPad announcement was last year.

Also, to address concerns over launching the iPhone 4 on Verizon only 5-6 months before the iPhone 5 is released, Apple always carries the old model for a year after the new model release at a reduced price point. Why would Verizon's offering be any different?

When the iPhone 5 is released, Verizon will still carry the iPhone 4 at $100.
 
between CES and Verizon iPhone? I believe neither Apple nor Verizon participate in CES so why would the rumor even mention one?

Apple was invited to CES starting in 2010, according to the WSJ (but seeing that they've been wrong about the various iPhone on Verizon rumors, take it with a grain of salt).

Either way, as of this year, Apple was to have pulled out of MWSF.

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/755757/

BL.
 
You would think the "in the wild" test phone would have surfaced by now if january was the release date. Nada so far.
 
You would think the "in the wild" test phone would have surfaced by now if january was the release date. Nada so far.

Only 2 test phones were revealed before the iPhone 4 launch. And they were easily identified due to the new design. If a Verizon iPhone looks identical to the iPhone 4, it's not likely anybody would realize they were looking at a CDMA iPhone.
 
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