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what features do you hope to see in OS X 10.6

clevin said:
So thats why each every users should spend 2G+ space on something they don't need? Just because apple can't think of a better way of doing this?

Selfish, selfish to who?

As "smart" as apple, there is really no better way of doing this? I kinda doubt that. :cool:
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Let's think on a scale of easy here, not efficient, easy. You get OS X and install it, then 6 months down the road you get Printer X. Now you go home and plug it in and start printing.

Now if OS X doesn't have the drivers you'd have to get out your disks and do a custom install for Printer X, which a basic user may not have a clue on how to do.

Now compare the ease of installing Printer X driver after buying it versus removing the printer drivers you don't need. From an ease standpoint I think removing the drivers is easier. I find Apple to be smart in including all the drivers, Efficient use of space isn't necessarily smarter than due service.
 
kuwisdelu said:
You can. Just hold command down, then click and drag them. Some badly-coded 3rd party menu items can't be moved around, but all the good ones and all of Apple's can be re-ordered however you like.

Btw, if you didn't have a Dock, how would you know which applications are open or not?

But you're right about more visual options. Apple really needs to offer the option to get our 10.5.1 translucent menus back.
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Ah, very nice. I never knew how to move Menu Bar stuff around.

I have Quicksilver, so I would use that as my launcher if I didn't have a Dock. And I could Apple + Tab to see which ones I have open.

Sometimes I just don't like the idea of having 2 "bars," the Menu Bar at the top and the Dock at the bottom.
 
GimmeSlack12 said:
Let's think on a scale of easy here, not efficient, easy. You get OS X and install it, then 6 months down the road you get Printer X. Now you go home and plug it in and start printing.

Now if OS X doesn't have the drivers you'd have to get out your disks and do a custom install for Printer X, which a basic user may not have a clue on how to do.

Now compare the ease of installing Printer X driver after buying it versus removing the printer drivers you don't need. From an ease standpoint I think removing the drivers is easier. I find Apple to be smart in including all the drivers, Efficient use of space isn't necessarily smarter than due service.
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There is really no dispute about "being easy", however, My problem is "where is the balance?" and "Is there another innovative way that is easy, and space effective?"

Pre-install 2G printer drivers isn't ideal way, IMHO. OSX can't pre-install all drivers, users still might face the problem, even with that 2G drivers.

For better or worse, let me propose a obviously flawed, but perhaps inspire way of doing this.
At least on desktop macs, when first setup the mac, if an internet connection is detected. OSX can just remove the printer drivers that are not needed.

Apple should also maintain an online repo at the same time for printer drivers. Once user plug in a printer, OSX can retrieve drivers from the repo in the background, for end-users, it perform just like before. Plug and play.
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clevin said:
There is really no dispute about "being easy", however, My problem is "where is the balance?" and "Is there another innovative way that is easy, and space effective?"

Pre-install 2G printer drivers isn't ideal way, IMHO. OSX can't pre-install all drivers, users still might face the problem, even with that 2G drivers.

For better or worse, let me propose a obviously flawed, but perhaps inspire way of doing this.
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Fair enough.
 
Quicksilver built in, and highly customizable themes. I long for the day when I can set pink as the default colour instead of grey. :D
 
At least on desktop macs, when first setup the mac, if an internet connection is detected. OSX can just remove the printer drivers that are not needed.

Apple should also maintain an online repo at the same time for printer drivers. Once user plug in a printer, OSX can retrieve drivers from the repo in the background, for end-users, it perform just like before. Plug and play.
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Yes, but what if I go to my friends' house and need to print something on his printer? Or I forget to print an assignment, and I need to use one of my school printers quickly. Maybe I don't have access to an internet connection, or don't have time to wait for a download. I just need to print quickly, and I'm without a USB key or any other computers I can use. Thank you, 2GB of printer drivers!

I realize that might not happen a lot, but I still have a good 90GB free on my 200GB hard drive. I'm not worried about those printer drivers. And all those extra languages are useful for when I want to practice my Polish or my Italian or Russian.

:D

How about an optional pane when first setting up your computer that asks how many extra printer drivers/languages you want to keep? They're all installed by default, then the first time you turn your computer on/install a new OS, you get the option to remove all the ones you don't need. And I can keep them if I want them. Deal? :cool:
 
I think most users that worried about 2GB will have done a fresh OS install anyways to get rid of other stuff, so can choose to get rid of the printer drivers.
 
thats a general concern, 2G printer is one of them. split ppc and intel would save a lof of space as well. Again, don't ask me how o do it. Ask apple. But it sure is a reasonable request since now intel users is half of mac user base.

PS. 95% of users know very little about their OSes, windows, or mac, I don't think the thinking of "if they don't know it at all, they shouldn't be taken care of" is really helpful in this situation....
 
all I know is that i let OS X install all of the printer drivers, and the one I needed still wasn't there and I had to go to the Canon website and get it anyway. No, this isn't a new (or particularly old) printer. It's a leased imagerunner C2620.

I'd rather just go get the most recent printer driver and save the space on my macbook, thanks.

2-3gb is a lot of space if you only have 60gb total unformatted space.
 
GimmeSlack12 said:
This is already a part of Quicksilver. You can set the color of your Appearance setting in the QS preferences, not to mention themes are available.
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Oh yes, I know that. :) I mean the OS X theme; Finder and application windows etc. Like Shapeshifter in the good old days!
 
clevin said:
thats a general concern, 2G printer is one of them. split ppc and intel would save a lof of space as well. Again, don't ask me how o do it. Ask apple. But it sure is a reasonable request since now intel users is half of mac user base.

PS. 95% of users know very little about their OSes, windows, or mac, I don't think the thinking of "if they don't know it at all, they shouldn't be taken care of" is really helpful in this situation....
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"Introducing 10.6 with less Printer Drivers installed! Only $129.99!"
Clevin your point is clear and I hear you, but in reference to my previous posts (before discussing printer drivers) this isn't a huge selling point for 10.6. Needful to say that my perspective on what this thread is discussing is what new innovations a person would like to see in 10.6. If Apple can find a way and time to reduce those 2gb of printers, sweet. If not, whatever.
Let's hear some crazy ideas for 10.6 not just housekeeping stuff.

karenflower said:
Oh yes, I know that. :) I mean the OS X theme; Finder and application windows etc. Like Shapeshifter in the good old days!
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Oh. Gotcha.
 
something that just lets me network with my vista laptop with zero bullsh*t. Trust me, I am trying hard to make it work. It's barely functional at best.
 
GimmeSlack12 said:
"Introducing 10.6 with less Printer Drivers installed! Only $129.99!"
Clevin your point is clear and I hear you, but in reference to my previous posts (before discussing printer drivers) this isn't a huge selling point for 10.6. Needful to say that my perspective on what this thread is discussing is what new innovations a person would like to see in 10.6. If Apple can find a way and time to reduce those 2gb of printers, sweet. If not, whatever.
Let's hear some crazy ideas for 10.6 not just housekeeping stuff.
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I think a new and improved Quicktime would be cool, with an added library like iTune's. I know iTunes can play movies, but it's clumsy with them. Keep the apps separate. Give Quicktime a movie library with Coverflow. Instead of putting movies into iTunes for adding them to an iPod, just allow iTunes to access Quicktime's library!

Being able to natively add themes would be cool. Don't allow just any user to mess with colors and such, because then we would have ugly themes like Windows users. Just allow us to download new OS X skins like Firefox handles it.

And transformer ability. I want my MacBook to be able to morph into Optimus Prime.
 
GimmeSlack12 said:
"Introducing 10.6 with less Printer Drivers installed! Only $129.99!"
Clevin your point is clear and I hear you, but in reference to my previous posts (before discussing printer drivers) this isn't a huge selling point for 10.6. Needful to say that my perspective on what this thread is discussing is what new innovations a person would like to see in 10.6. If Apple can find a way and time to reduce those 2gb of printers, sweet. If not, whatever.
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This isn't one on one fight:confused:, this is a discussion and I was replying to other people's statement. I think its better we calm down on the topic.

I would very much disagree with what you said about selling point.

"Best OS with less HDD requirement", IMHO, is a pretty good selling point. Intel users pay double space for ppc is absurd, and apple will have to address it in some way.
 
clevin said:
"Best OS with less HDD requirement", IMHO, is a pretty good selling point. Intel users pay double space for ppc is absurd, and apple will have to address it in some way.
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Except that they don't "pay double," and hard drives continue to get larger and larger, far outpacing the growing size of OS X. I agree that saving space is good, but what's 2 or 3GB nowadays really? Two movies? Power users who need the space will find ways to reclaim it. As defaults go though, I'd prefer to have too much and be able to pare away—and I think most average users would agree (or not care).
 
clevin said:
"Best OS with less HDD requirement", IMHO, is a pretty good selling point. Intel users pay double space for ppc is absurd, and apple will have to address it in some way.
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They will. In a year or two they will no longer support PPC for new releases.
 
They have integrated Wikipedia into the Dictionary, and I think they could do some OS-level integration with Facebook somehow. Another unlikely possibility is Safari handling torrents directly. Keychain with multiple identities like 1Password would be nice.
 
killmoms said:
Except that they don't "pay double," and hard drives continue to get larger and larger, far outpacing the growing size of OS X. I agree that saving space is good, but what's 2 or 3GB nowadays really? Two movies? Power users who need the space will find ways to reclaim it. As defaults go though, I'd prefer to have too much and be able to pare away—and I think most average users would agree (or not care).
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1. how much they pay?

2. HDD space might be growing. OS size might be growing too, but not everybody's own HDD always growing in 4 years.

3. 2-3G.. is quite significant numbers. Im sure you know too its more than 2 movies.
 
kuwisdelu said:
Depends on the quality of the movies. It would be 2-3 movies for me.
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I guess there is some quite misunderstanding here:). when I said more than 2 movies, I probably should have said more clear
"2-3G is a significant number, they are probably enough for hold all your important research data, they are probably enough to holds all your fav musics, they are probably enough to backup your system in some way, they are probably important enough that sometimes you are dying to have that number..."
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Of course, a decent 90 minutes movie takes 700MB. I m sure some people prefer HQ, but 700MB is most common AFAIK.

PS. I asked "how much they pay?", is really because I don't know it, some number would be appreciated. :)
 
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