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Where is Mac OS X 10.4 (Tiger)?

dicklacara said:
Here's an example of how Tiger support of G3s will be useful to my family.

I have grandkids, ages 5, 6, and 8. We have 2 iMac G3s that they could use for games, homework etc.

The 8-year old is a girl who does email among members of an online doll club. All of them get some games and study info from the web.

With Panther, their parents need to monitor their computer access to the Internet.

The "Parental Controls" feature of Tiger makes it practical to let them use the computers without supervision.

Another use:

A G3 makes makes a pretty good, low activity, home server. Say you want to put up photos, movies, playlists, etc. for access by family & friends.

You can do this with Jaguar or Panther... but Tiger is faster, more secure and offers other features that are useful for a home server.

For instance, using Spotlight you can easily program a metadata/content search for the home web site.

I would prefer to do this with Tiger & the latest iApps rather than earlier OS X releases or YDL.
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The problem is 2 fold.
First most of the games you are talking about are old classic games. They run better under OS 9 without having Tiger or Panther.

Second. As long as Apple keeps supporting older obsolete processors we will be stuck with a underperforming unoptimized OS Like what we are getting with Tiger.
 
max_altitude said:
just out of curiosity what US time zone should i be converting to so that it corresponds with the times apple usually realeses things?

Thanks
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If you had Tiger, you would simply open 2 Dashboard Widget Clocks and set one to local time & the other to Cupertino time-- then they would be accessible with the press of a key.
 
~loserman~ said:
The problem is 2 fold.
First most of the games you are talking about are old classic games. They run better under OS 9 without having Tiger or Panther.

Second. As long as Apple keeps supporting older obsolete processors we will be stuck with a underperforming unoptimized OS Like what we are getting with Tiger.
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There's no reason that the build can't have multiple targets in the same file which will contain optional optimizations for whatever generation processor the OS is being run on. They could even have different levels of optimized code built into the kernel.
 
~loserman~ said:
The problem is 2 fold.
First most of the games you are talking about are old classic games. They run better under OS 9 without having Tiger or Panther.

Second. As long as Apple keeps supporting older obsolete processors we will be stuck with a underperforming unoptimized OS Like what we are getting with Tiger.
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Many of the games/educational stuff are OS X native or browser-based.

I generally agree that supporting old hardware configurations should not be overdone-- 1) tends to use a lot of development time & resources; 2) tends to bloat the delivered OS.

MS's biggest problem, IMO.

But, with Apple's way of implementing support for a limited number of of hardware configurations, it should be able to support G3s and minimize bloat. (I forget what it's called-- something like fat-binaries-- you prolly know this better than I).

P.S. Is your organization converting to Linux?
 
dicklacara said:
If you had Tiger, you would simply open 2 Dashboard Widget Clocks and set one to local time & the other to Cupertino time-- then they would be accessible with the press of a key.
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how i wish it were true!!

Anyway, times up, and still nothing :(

Oh well, maybe tomorrow (i getting really sick of saying/hearing that!)
 
When do apple normally make announcements, in the morning, afernoon? Its not to great being on British Summer Time and having the apple 'announcers' asleep all morning.
 
dicklacara said:
Au contraire:

It will be very well covered in the financial pages of most newspapers and other media used by investers.

To people/organizations investing big bucks (hundreds of thousands of dollars) this is very big news, indeed!
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Wrong. There will be a tiny paragraph in the the financial pages of most newspapers.

And media used by investors is not the "world media", as the original poster said.
 
robinmurphy said:
When do apple normally make announcements, in the morning, afernoon? Its not to great being on British Summer Time and having the apple 'announcers' asleep all morning.
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The later availability of products in the UK tends to upset me more than just having to wait til the afternoon for announcments :mad:

The answer is that it depends on how something is being released. If it's at a Keynote or event based in California, then you're looking at 5-7pm in the UK. If it's a general upgrade or coming via a news release then it's usually early morning ET so around 1230 to 230 UK time.

Think of the benefits - you'll never have to get up at an ungodly hour unlike our US/Aussie friends... ;)
 
Is the Tiger "GM" out? have we gotten confermation on this? if the answer is yes, it would be absolutly stupid to wait 2 1/2 months to release it....if the GM is ready, it will be out shortly....it was mentioned above, TS is never wrong, if they are it's only by a few degrees (new 6g ipod mini's, with color screen, the latter of course not true)...Tiger will be out shortly, it has to be, because I'm buying a PB in the next week, and i better get Tiger with it!!!
 
"A watched pot never boils"

Soon, we will all awake, and Tiger will have been released when we least expected it to.

OR....

Maybe some massive bug has been discovered and Steve is trying to figure out how to back track on his statement that Tiger would be out long before Longhorn :D J/K

(He's had to backtrack before...
*Putting the optical drive vertically slows it down-iMac Sunflower
*The CRT is dead-right before the eMac)
 
Of course, that would be piracy

Fredstar said:
...and i guessed, with the BTO, that it should maybe arrive after Tiger is released, which hopefully will be in the next few weeks. Not a big deal if it doesn't because i will be buying Tiger anyway for my iMac.
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Of course, it wouldn't be legal to install the new copy onto more than one machine....
 
mac-er said:
Wrong. There will be a tiny paragraph in the the financial pages of most newspapers.

And media used by investors is not the "world media", as the original poster said.
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mmm....

What financial media do you use to manage your portfolio?

The Tiger release will be (and has already been) very big news to the financial media-- it will be (and already has been) mentioned on Fox News, CNN, Bloggers, Webazines and other "New Media" -- even some web rumor sites.

You can get every newspaper or magazine (that counts) online. I use these, along with TV, streamers , rumor sites, financial sites, technology sites, etc. to research what, when & how to buy/sell stocks. The New media is generally superior to traditional print news (brocheres, newspapers, magazines, pamphlets). With web sites it is easy to include the latest up-to-date information as well as cross-reference supporting materiel with links.

Waiting for investment information to be published in the "World Media" makes about as much sense as waiting for it it appear in sky-writing.
 
brian4610 said:
Is the Tiger "GM" out? have we gotten confermation on this? if the answer is yes, it would be absolutly stupid to wait 2 1/2 months to release it....if the GM is ready, it will be out shortly....it was mentioned above, TS is never wrong, if they are it's only by a few degrees (new 6g ipod mini's, with color screen, the latter of course not true)...Tiger will be out shortly, it has to be, because I'm buying a PB in the next week, and i better get Tiger with it!!!
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Yeah, that's not going to happen... I work at an Apple Reseller, and the machines won't come with Tiger Pre-installed, or even in the box, for another month to month and a half after the announcement. It's way too costly for them to get the machines they already have in-stock to a factory where they can be wiped, and a new install put on them. They're just fine with letting people spend $20 "shipping" to get a copy sent to them after they've bought a new machine.

I'd wait on that PB if you really need it preinstalled, or just spend the $20 like everyone else...
 
LOL! cubatbird was rito again.. not gonna happen today folks ;) tellin' ya.. it will be announced at wwdc nd shown off AGAIN there lollers
 
Another possibility on Tiger's release date

I did a little research during my morning coffee/email routine (and forgive me if this idea has already been thrown into the ring)...

Apple made its Panther release announcement on October 8, 2003. They announced that it would be made available on October 24, 2003. On October 9, Apple sent its regularly scheduled, bi-weekly "Apple eNews" with a headline "Let the Countdown Begin." Two weeks later, on October 23, another "Apple eNews" was sent to invite everyone to "Come prowling with us" at their "Night of the Panther" release party at all the Apple Stores.

So what does this have to do with Tiger?

The next Apple eNews is scheduled to be sent on Thursday, April 7.

If Apple follows the same "schedule" as they did with Panther (and assuming that they plan to release Tiger within April), they would make their official announcement on Wednesday, April 6 followed by an Apple eNews headlining the "countdown" on April 7.

Then on Thursday, April 21, the next scheduled Apple eNews is released with details on some event that will happen on Friday April 22 to celebrate the launch of Tiger!

Maybe I should switch to decaf...
 
dicklacara said:
Many of the games/educational stuff are OS X native or browser-based.

I generally agree that supporting old hardware configurations should not be overdone-- 1) tends to use a lot of development time & resources; 2) tends to bloat the delivered OS.

MS's biggest problem, IMO.

But, with Apple's way of implementing support for a limited number of of hardware configurations, it should be able to support G3s and minimize bloat. (I forget what it's called-- something like fat-binaries-- you prolly know this better than I).

P.S. Is your organization converting to Linux?
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Sure fat binaries help but not for the kernel. The kernel is what really makes a OS perform well or not. Because essentially the kernel is the OS. All the other stuff is just other stuff.

As to the Linux question... It's hard to say. We still have tigger to check out.
All of our beta's still had debug symbols so who knows once they r stripped out maybe it will squeak out a little more performance.
Plus Linux is not without some issues too. Both the Myrinet and Infiniband Drivers are actually better under OS X than under Linux.
 
dicklacara said:
mmm....

What financial media do you use to manage your portfolio?

The Tiger release will be (and has already been) very big news to the financial media-- it will be (and already has been) mentioned on Fox News, CNN, Bloggers, Webazines and other "New Media" -- even some web rumor sites.

You can get every newspaper or magazine (that counts) online. I use these, along with TV, streamers , rumor sites, financial sites, technology sites, etc. to research what, when & how to buy/sell stocks. The New media is generally superior to traditional print news (brocheres, newspapers, magazines, pamphlets). With web sites it is easy to include the latest up-to-date information as well as cross-reference supporting materiel with links.

Waiting for investment information to be published in the "World Media" makes about as much sense as waiting for it it appear in sky-writing.
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Mmm..I think you are misunderstanding my original posting.

The orginal poster said that Apple did not announce Tiger release date on Friday because they would not get coverage in the world media because of the Pope.

In that context, the world media is referring to CNN, BBC, NY Times, AP, Reuters, etc (Faux news is not the world media, and neither is Yahoo! Financial, The Motley Fool, Money Magazine or whatever you use to research stocks )

I am not doubting that Tiger will be big in financial/tech news, but it is not going to be breaking news on CNN or front page on the Washington Post (and the original poster made it sound as if it would). That was the whole point of my original posting.
 
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