I stand corrected. Though the screen resolution on the iPad 2 is only very slightly larger than the 4S.
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Which Devices Won't Make the Cut for iOS 8?
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I stand corrected. Though the screen resolution on the iPad 2 is only very slightly larger than the 4S.
Wait, ARMv6?!? Why is it still there? If I'm not mistaken isn't ARMv6 only used on pre iPhone 3GS devices? It surely won't be supported now right? Correct me if I'm wrong.
I believe that you are correct in saying that if it is only compiled in ARM64 code it wouldn't run on pre A7 devices. (However, A7 devices are able to run older frameworks like ARMv6 and ARMv7.) Therefore, I believe to make it compatible with older devices, ARMv7 code will also need to be included in iOS. Again, correct me if im wrong
Schools in the US have dumped a lot of money into the iPad 2 with a lot of students having the devices.
For Apple to dump the iPad 2 now would be a serious slap in the face to the millions they are making off the iPad 2 and the school systems.
I see iOS 8 supporting the iPad 2 still ... but I see iOS 8 being its last supported OS. Of course, it may "run" iOS 8, but it will have a limited function set.
For Apple to dump the iPad 2 now would be a serious slap in the face to the millions they are making off the iPad 2 and the school systems.
I see iOS 8 supporting the iPad 2 still ... but I see iOS 8 being its last supported OS. Of course, it may "run" iOS 8, but it will have a limited function set.
I think iOS8 will only run on the next generation of devices so not even the 5S will get the upgrade..
How is not getting a new version of an OS after getting 3 or 4 new ones already a slap in the face or anything close to it? Does the device stop functioning by not getting it's 4th or 5th update? Do those who purchase it suddenly have a device that isn't performing like it did when they purchased it or when they got the most recent 3rd or 4th update already?
It's not like the iPad 2 will stop working. It won't be until iOS 9 that it even starts to lose app support (I'm still finding app updates including fixes for iOS 6 problems in the description of app updates).
If it doesn't get iOS 8 it'll still work just as it is right now. No one will be losing out on things.
I actually don't expect nor do I care if my iPad 3 is updated to iOS 8. Or my 4S for that matter. I do plan on updating my iPhone this go around however.
If it doesn't get iOS 8 it'll still work just as it is right now. No one will be losing out on things.
I actually don't expect nor do I care if my iPad 3 is updated to iOS 8. Or my 4S for that matter. I do plan on updating my iPhone this go around however.
That is not true. A quality/property of the iPad is that has an ecosystem of high quality. Not being able to run the latest apps limits the functionality of the iPad. So it won't work exactly the same, because right now it is able to run the latest apps, after support has halted it won't be.
Is an iPad then sold and purchased with some sort of explicit expectation and agreement that it would always be able to run the latest applications (quite a bit of which is under control of an application's developer--who can even simply pull an application one day--and not really Apple or anything like that)?
Any quality developer supports old versions of iOS since it increases revenue especially if a device is left out with a large customer base. But that's besides the point since there is no telling what a dev will or will not do.
However how long should devices be supported especially devices that are no longer sold. Older iOS devices can cripple iOS because it has to work on them. The longer they are supported the less appealing newer versions of iOS become. The day iOS 8 rolls out every app is still going to be capable of running on iOS 7.
The main feature/functionality loss is brought by Apple (Siri, navigation, airdrop, etc). Not by devs.
There will be apps that require iOS 8 only. Like 12 days of Christmas and such.
App updates may require iOS 8 too.
App updates pertaining to iOS 8. But they won't be updated away from 7.
And yes there will be new apps that do require iOS 8 but then we are back to the how long should a device be supported for.
The iPad 2 is on it's 4th version of iOS. It can't go on forever.
I actually wouldn't be surprised if Apple discontinue the iPad 2 just to put some distance between it and iOS 8.
I have no stock in whether it does or doesn't get iOS 8. If it does, great if it doesn't oh well. I just personally don't think it will. Just my opinion though which holds no weight.
I love the way people take this so seriously and are convinced they are right.
We will find out when it is announced, until then, I agree with all of you.
We will find out when it is announced, until then, I agree with all of you.
It doesn't matter, it frustrates customers and that's something Apple should do at least as possible since Apple is a user experience company.
While in a general sense I understand what you are saying, as far as reality goes, there are plenty of things Apple should have done and/or do that they haven't or don't that frustrate people, and yet they still have done them and/or do them.
Meanwhile in another thread there is a class action law suit because devices were updated. Lol. Apple can't win.
Lol. Apple can't win.
Of course not! You've read this thread, they are going to P!ss people off whatever they do because everyone here knows better than them (including me, obviously)
Like I mentioned Apple seems to be one of the few devs that pushes that updates like that.
Look at the current lineup
I think every device on the current line up will get iOS 8, that includes both iPad minis, iPad 4 and Air (IMHO that's one of the reasons why they dropped iPad 2), iPhone 4s and above.
iPhone 4 is no longer part of the main line so definitely not getting it.
iPad 3 could sway either way, but if it gets 8 it will definitely be its last.
Current iPod touch is safe too.
I think every device on the current line up will get iOS 8, that includes both iPad minis, iPad 4 and Air (IMHO that's one of the reasons why they dropped iPad 2), iPhone 4s and above.
iPhone 4 is no longer part of the main line so definitely not getting it.
iPad 3 could sway either way, but if it gets 8 it will definitely be its last.
Current iPod touch is safe too.
Difference is, there is a huge number of iPhone 4 and iPad 2 users out there. The scale is very different when compared with the 3GS or iPad 1. That changes everything and that's why you can't use history as a reference.
But you can't exclude it either. 3GS was one of quite successful phones for a while, and iPad 1 was bought by many many people as it was the first tablet not only from Apple but even in general essentially. So, while the numbers are even larger now for some newer devices, it's not like the numbers for the older devices at the time when their support stopped or a bit before it were small exactly.
There are arguments for and against it all, that's basically what it comes down to, as has been pointed out before. The only way we'll actually know is when Apple makes an announcement about it all (and even then we might not really know what the reasoning might be behind the decision, whichever way it goes).
Wait, ARMv6?!? Why is it still there? If I'm not mistaken isn't ARMv6 only used on pre iPhone 3GS devices? It surely won't be supported now right? Correct me if I'm wrong.
I believe that you are correct in saying that if it is only compiled in ARM64 code it wouldn't run on pre A7 devices. (However, A7 devices are able to run older frameworks like ARMv6 and ARMv7.) Therefore, I believe to make it compatible with older devices, ARMv7 code will also need to be included in iOS. Again, correct me if im wrong
Sorry. It's:
UIKit (architecture armv7):
UIKit (architecture armv7s):
UIKit (architecture arm64):
Currently in iOS7. You are right.
Regarding the API I meant that everything will be 64bit.
Today ARMv7 compiles against 32bit UIKit.
For me that mens that iOS8 will probably be slower on iPhine 5, because of the additional instructions. (Which are a lot, I checked.)