Who else plans to get the Apple Watch Hermès?

[bmac4]

Have you look on eBay? Hermes AW new are asking over list price as we speak.

It may not go up...but it will not drop in value like your and mine so quickly.

No one knows. Lets wait. Why are you rushing judgement?

Wait you just put eBay in your post. How dare you. That is ridiculous.

Yes the ones on eBay are brand new. I am talking about used watches.

Whatever I don't know why I bother with you. You are in love with the Hermès and it does not matter what others say. Let me know in a couple of years if your watch is still working with the newest Apple software.

 

[Thai]

Wait you just put eBay in your post. How dare you. That is ridiculous.

Yes the ones on eBay are brand new. I am talking about used watches.

Whatever I don't know why I bother with you. You are in love with the Hermès and it does not matter what others say. Let me know in a couple of years if your watch is still working with the newest Apple software.

Now, you want to talk about USED watches? WTF...so you change topic to avoid being embarrassed? LOL

wait...please address these:

OK...a few things that you need to do:

1. Show me where Hermes AW owners are selling their watches left and right.

2. Show me where Android Wear updates has caused Android Wear watch heart rate sensor from working.

3. Show me where Hermes Watch are produced in THOUSANDS...

4. Show me where i have pissed on Classic Buckle like YOU have done here with Hermes.

5. Show me where the true cost of Hermes band is...$200-300. (You only cowardly mentioned second hand when i exposed your lies.)

6. Show me where Apple cannot replace battery on AW.

 

[bmac4]

Now, you want to talk about USED watches? WTF...so you change topic to avoid being embarrassed? LOL

wait...please address these:

OK...a few things that you need to do:

1. Show me where Hermes AW owners are selling their watches left and right.

2. Show me where Android Wear updates has caused Android Wear watch heart rate sensor from working.

3. Show me where Hermes Watch are produced in THOUSANDS...

4. Show me where i have pissed on Classic Buckle like YOU have done here with Hermes.

5. Show me where the true cost of Hermes band is...$200-300. (You only cowardly mentioned second hand when i exposed your lies.)

6. Show me where Apple cannot replace battery on AW.

No I was addressing your post about what makes an item limited. I am saying a limited item sells out and the item gains value over time. The Hermès is not that.

1. You looked at eBay right? How many Hermès Apple watches were on there? I am not saying everyone that bought one sold it, but there are a lot on eBay.

2. I said this before, the Moto 360 OG does not work on iOS android wear. This does not have the same support the new Moto 360 and other android wear watches have.

3. I believe another posted this as well. Look at where these were sold, and how many locations had them. You know as well as I do Apple does not release numbers for sales. This would be impossible to get either way.

4. This one I was actually wrong in. I mistook you for another user. Oh well it happens. I really could careless because your post are getting old.

5. I said that bands were going for $200 $300. I did not say from where or if that was the value of them. You tied the value and what bands are going for yourself. Again Hermès does not sell the band alone, so we don't know what people would be willing to pay. Me saying they were going for $200 to $300 has nothing to do with value. It's what people are paying for 2nd hand.

6. I didn't say Apple could not replace the battery. Now you are putting words in my mouth. I said in a could of years your battery dies, the watch is pretty much useless. Yes you can get the battery replaced, but in 5 years people won't be getting the battery replaced. They will be buying a new watch. If smart watches are still popular then.

Thanks again, but please just give it a rest. Your over passionate love for Hermès is getting really old.

 

[Thai]

No I was addressing your post about what makes an item limited. I am saying a limited item sells out and the item gains value over time. The Hermès is not that.

1. You looked at eBay right? How many Hermès Apple watches were on there? I am not saying everyone that bought one sold it, but there are a lot on eBay.

2. I said this before, the Moto 360 OG does not work on iOS android wear. This does not have the same support the new Moto 360 and other android wear watches have.

3. I believe another posted this as well. Look at where these were sold, and how many locations had them. You know as well as I do Apple does not release numbers for sales. This would be impossible to get either way.

4. This one I was actually wrong in. I mistook you for another user. Oh well it happens. I really could careless because your post are getting old.

5. I said that bands were going for $200 $300. I did not say from where or if that was the value of them. You tied the value and what bands are going for yourself. Again Hermès does not sell the band alone, so we don't know what people would be willing to pay. Me saying they were going for $200 to $300 has nothing to do with value. It's what people are paying for 2nd hand.

6. I didn't say Apple could not replace the battery. Now you are putting words in my mouth. I said in a could of years your battery dies, the watch is pretty much useless. Yes you can get the battery replaced, but in 5 years people won't be getting the battery replaced. They will be buying a new watch. If smart watches are still popular then.

Thanks again, but please just give it a rest. Your over passionate love for Hermès is getting really old.

1. Actually, on eBay, i may have seen a few USED. Show me the "a lot".

2. Android Wear does NOT paralyze anything. Stop BSing dude. I know Android Wear. Stop please with this BS. You clearly said earlier that Android Wear shuts off heart rate sensor. SHOW ME.

3. I called those stores...several times. If there were THOUSANDS, then i would be on this forum showing off my Hermes AW. In fact, Apple Store on Infinite Loop last month just had the Hermes CUFF. Hermes store in SF had none. Each of those locations barely got more than 3 per store! Don't believe me...CALL THEM.

5. Bands are $200-300 SECOND HAND, which makes it IRRELEVANT to the discussion. You went to town with this and even wondered what makes Apple Watch Hermes so special.

UPDATE: right now on eBay, there are 5 listing for USED Hermes. Some of which are priced HIGHER than list price of new: http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_sacat=0&_nkw=apple watch hermes&_dcat=178893&rt=nc&LH_ItemCondition=3000&_trksid=p2045573.m1684

 

[Night Spring]

True...no one makes money from these things other than lawyers. But that does not mean that rich folks don't participate. Remember, a lot of times these suits are done to push OEMs to act on the complaint. Recalls, warranty extension, etc..

Sure, most class actions are about more than money. But in the case of the $17k Apple Watch, presumably, all first gen Apple watches will stop getting support at the same time. So my $350 Sports watch and the $17k gold watch are both no longer working after, say, 5 years. Do I have a case for class action? No, I bought an electronic gadget which has outlived its usable life span. And what reason does the $17k watch owner have that makes his situation different from mine? Oh, that he paid more for his watch. So any class action over the $17k watch no longer working is only about money.

 

[Thai]

Sure, most class actions are about more than money. But in the case of the $17k Apple Watch, presumably, all first gen Apple watches will stop getting support at the same time. So my $350 Sports watch and the $17k gold watch are both no longer working after, say, 5 years. Do I have a case for class action? No, I bought an electronic gadget which has outlived its usable life span. And what reason does the $17k watch owner have that makes his situation different from mine? Oh, that he paid more for his watch. So any class action over the $17k watch no longer working is only about money.

How about the iPhone 4/4s owners suing Apple now? Same situation, right?

 

[Night Spring]

How about the iPhone 4/4s owners suing Apple now? Same situation, right?

Well, no, because Apple never sold $17k versions of iPhone 4/4s. Whatever the merits of that suit, it applies to all owners of iPhone 4/4s. You were saying (if I understood correctly) that $17k Apple watch owners would have cause for a class action suit because they paid so much for the watch, that it should last longer than the less expensive watch models.

 

[Thai]

Well, no, because Apple never sold $17k versions of iPhone 4/4s. Whatever the merits of that suit, it applies to all owners of iPhone 4/4s. You were saying (if I understood correctly) that $17k Apple watch owners would have cause for a class action suit because they paid so much for the watch, that it should last longer than the less expensive watch models.

Same difference. Yeah, the more expensive AW owners will sue. Mark my words...if it comes to that. But, my guess is that Apple will support it longer because there is less explosive features that you can add to a Watch vs. an iPhone.

For me, the clues are with the hidden data port and sapphire covering the "vital" parts.

 

[bmac4]

1. Actually, on eBay, i may have seen a few USED. Show me the "a lot".

2. Android Wear does NOT paralyze anything. Stop BSing dude. I know Android Wear. Stop please with this BS. You clearly said earlier that Android Wear shuts off heart rate sensor. SHOW ME.

3. I called those stores...several times. If there were THOUSANDS, then i would be on this forum showing off my Hermes AW. In fact, Apple Store on Infinite Loop last month just had the Hermes CUFF. Hermes store in SF had none. Each of those locations barely got more than 3 per store! Don't believe me...CALL THEM.

5. Bands are $200-300 SECOND HAND, which makes it IRRELEVANT to the discussion. You went to town with this and even wondered what makes Apple Watch Hermes so special.

UPDATE: right now on eBay, there are 5 listing for USED Hermes. Some of which are priced HIGHER than list price of new: http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_sacat=0&_nkw=apple watch hermes&_dcat=178893&rt=nc&LH_ItemCondition=3000&_trksid=p2045573.m1684

I never once said android wear stopped the HR from being used. You need to go back and read. I was saying that a HR sensor does not future proof a watch like you suggested the AW had.

 

[Mac 128]

Overpriced machine. Priced was slashed because the price was more for sleek design and concierge service.

Considering the Power Mac 6500 - a *MIDRANGE* consumer desktop - was $3000, that price wasn't "insane", just "outrageous". It is all relative back then. Back then 16MB RAM to a Mac IIsi was around $700 at the time. Many forget how expensive components were at this time.

So, the price is all relative.

As if the $17,000 for an Watch ISN'T overpriced? It doesn't matter for your argument. Many customers paid the full price. And you're making stuff up. I had a 6500 I bought in 1997. It cost me around $1600. And that was a LOT of money at the time, and I had a good job.

 

[Thai]

As if the $17,000 for an Watch ISN'T overpriced? It doesn't matter for your argument. Many customers paid the full price. And you're making stuff up. I had a 6500 I bought in 1997. It cost me around $1600. And that was a LOT of money at the time, and I had a good job.

Isn't it $17k because of the GOLD? How much does a Rolex gold cost? $30k? GOLD costs money.

Your $10k MAC was because of the design and getting it setup by people in tuxedos!! LOL

That price tag of $3000 for mid-range 6500 was from another owner of it. Don't shoot messenger.

 

[Night Spring]

Same difference. Yeah, the more expensive AW owners will sue. Mark my words...if it comes to that. But, my guess is that Apple will support it longer because there is less explosive features that you can add to a Watch vs. an iPhone.

For me, the clues are with the hidden data port and sapphire covering the "vital" parts.

Let us agree to disagree on whether the $17k owners will sue. If we are both around in five years, then whoever was right can say "I told you so."

I don't know what you mean by "explosive" features. Was that a mistype or auto-correct error? Anyway, I think the watch will change in leaps and bounds over the next few years. It is a new product category, just at the beginning of its development. Kind of like how iPad 1 was abandoned at iOS 5, whereas iPad 2 got iOS 9. I'm thinking something similar could happen with the watch.

 

[Thai]

Let us agree to disagree on whether the $17k owners will sue. If we are both around in five years, then whoever was right can say "I told you so."

I don't know what you mean by "explosive" features. Was that a mistype or auto-correct error? Anyway, I think the watch will change in leaps and bounds over the next few years. It is a new product category, just at the beginning of its development. Kind of like how iPad 1 was abandoned at iOS 5, whereas iPad 2 got iOS 9. I'm thinking something similar could happen with the watch.

The Watch itself is limited. It will not be able to do much like iPhone or iPad. It is all about being a personal device. This article best describe my thoughts: http://techcrunch.com/2016/01/14/apple-watch-and-holistic-presence/

It is all about SENSING the world around you. Major horsepower/computing will forever be done on the phone.

This is why Apple put in the hidden data port on our Watches. We will see advance/sensor galore bands coming out over the next few months! AliveCor has a band coming out soon that gives you an actual rhythm strip! AliveCor app even interprets the data and alerts you of cardiac arrhythmias. Sweat sensors, body temp, UV, blood pressure, sleep apnea, and hopefully blood sugar monitoring. Think of the possibilities!! Medical possibilities!

AliveCor gives me best insight. The Watch records what it needs to. Then transmit data to iPhone for processing and intepretation. You do not need Apple A9x in the Watch to do that. The iPhone needs it, not Watch.

The future is NOT turning the Watch into a huge computer on the wrist! That has NEVER been Apple's focus (i believe). Remember Tim Cook's carefully worded description of Watch. Personal device. Not a gaming device or productivity type device.

And yeah, Watch will also open doors for you, turn on/off alarms & lights, boarding pass etc.. but that is minor. The key to success is in the bands and 3rd party accessories.

That's my belief anyways.

 

[bmac4]

The Watch itself is limited. It will not be able to do much like iPhone or iPad. It is all about being a personal device. This article best describe my thoughts: http://techcrunch.com/2016/01/14/apple-watch-and-holistic-presence/

It is all about SENSING the world around you. Major horsepower/computing will forever be done on the phone.

This is why Apple put in the hidden data port on our Watches. We will see advance/sensor galore bands coming out over the next few months! AliveCor has a band coming out soon that gives you an actual rhythm strip! AliveCor app even interprets the data and alerts you of cardiac arrhythmias.

The future is NOT turning the Watch into a huge computer on the wrist! That has NEVER been Apple's focus (i believe). Remember Tim Cook's carefully worded description of Watch. Personal device. Not a gaming device or productivity type device.

And yeah, Watch will also open doors for you, turn on/off alarms & lights, boarding pass etc..

That's my belief anyways.

Uh you miss read that post. I was saying that there are plenty of android wear watches that have HR sensor that no longer are supported. Not the HR sensor the watch. You can use the Moto 360 OG on iOS, and I am sure soon android wear will not support it. It does not have some of the newer features. Anyway I could careless what you know. I can tell you know very little because you think the AW will be a long term device. Rumors already have Apple making the AW 2. If they are making a follow up this quickly there is no way they have plans for 5+ year device. Sorry not gotten happen.

 

[Thai]

Uh you miss read that post. I was saying that there are plenty of android wear watches that have HR sensor that no longer are supported. Not the HR sensor the watch. You can use the Moto 360 OG on iOS, and I am sure soon android wear will not support it. It does not have some of the newer features. Anyway I could careless what you know. I can tell you know very little because you think the AW will be a long term device. Rumors already have Apple making the AW 2. If they are making a follow up this quickly there is no way they have plans for 5+ year device. Sorry not gotten happen.

Of course there is gen 2,3,4,5, etc. I am sure the newer gens are smaller, thinner, and may have a few extra sensors in there. But still limited in what you can do on the watch itself. Read my post above.

But, why do you think Apple put sapphire lens on heart rate sensor? Every other smartwatches/band uses plastic lens to cut costs.

 

[bmac4]

Of course there is gen 2,3,4,5, etc. I am sure the newer gens are smaller, thinner, and may have a few extra sensors in there. But still limited in what you can do on the watch itself. Read my post above.

But, why do you think Apple put sapphire lens on heart rate sensor? Every other smartwatches/band uses plastic lens to cut costs.

Same reason they put it on the display on the SS. To protect it from damage.

 

[Thai]

Same reason they put it on the display on the SS. To protect it from damage.

Why not plastic like Sport? Sapphire shatters with the best of them!

 

[bmac4]

Why not plastic like Sport? Sapphire shatters with the best of them!

What are you saying? Sapphire last longer? If you think the only thing that will be different about the next gen AW is thinner and lighter, you have another thing coming. Apple will not build a watch just to make it thinner and lighter. It will have a new chip in it, and new addons this watch does not have. Kind of an expensive adventure to take on just to make it thinner. New chip means more power which in term means more software power, which then leads to less performance and down the road no support. Just like every other AW product.

 

[Thai]

What are you saying? Sapphire last longer? If you think the only thing that will be different about the next gen AW is thinner and lighter, you have another thing coming. Apple will not build a watch just to make it thinner and lighter. It will have a new chip in it, and new addons this watch does not have. Kind of an expensive adventure to take on just to make it thinner. New chip means more power which in term means more software power, which then leads to less performance and down the road no support. Just like every other AW product.

Ok...what happens if the plastic lens get scratched? Heart sensor becomes useless. Sapphire provides lasting scratch-free crystal. For me, this proves that Apple has long-term plans for it. Apple did NOT have to put sapphire lens over the heart rate sensors...no one does! Yet, they engineered it. Why go the extra (expensive) step of doing that?

I am sure that Gen 2,3,4 will have more features, which requires stronger processing power. READ my post again dude. Stop jumping the gun here! Damn.

IF you feel so pissy about outlook, then why the hell did you buy the expensive SS with LINK?!

 

[Night Spring]

And yeah, Watch will also open doors for you, turn on/off alarms & lights, boarding pass etc.. but that is minor. The key to success is in the bands and 3rd party accessories.

I actually think stuff like opening doors is major. Not to say bands with additional functions couldn't be big, also. But for me, the major thing would be that yes, the watch would eventually be independent of the iPhone. Maybe not for the next few generations, but somewhere down the line. After all, if you always need to carry your phone for the watch to be useful, what is the point? Now that it's winter and I'm wearing several layers of long sleeves, it's faster to pull my phone from my pocket than to dig out the watch from under all my sleeves. I'd have given up on the watch by now if not for its activity tracking functions. Keeping it dependent on the phone doesn't strike me as a way to move the watch forward.

 

[Thai]

I actually think stuff like opening doors is major. Not to say bands with additional functions couldn't be big, also. But for me, the major thing would be that yes, the watch would eventually be independent of the iPhone. Maybe not for the next few generations, but somewhere down the line. After all, if you always need to carry your phone for the watch to be useful, what is the point? Now that it's winter and I'm wearing several layers of long sleeves, it's faster to pull my phone from my pocket than to dig out the watch from under all my sleeves. I'd have given up on the watch by now if not for its activity tracking functions. Keeping it dependent on the phone doesn't strike me as a way to move the watch forward.

You want to read CNN on your Watch Gen 10? You want to do look at photos on your watch?

Why make something totally independent of phone, which then requires GPS, LTE/3G antennas, and bigger battery when you still need your phone 90% of the time? Yes, those things would be nice if you want to run without your phone or make emergency calls. But what if those things can be had in a band? You are a runner or biker that needs GPS...here is a band just for you. You need more battery life, then here is a band for you.

Instead of cramming everything into a device where your customers have different needs, you have one central hub to receive or relay info/data. Personal device. You need something specific that the Watch cannot do...well, there is a band & app for you! Watch then accepts the data and will do simple processing but then relay the data to the phone for heavier processing.

HeartWatch is an example of this. Great app BTW!! Watch display basic data. The phone displays the cool stuff and does the heavy processing and animations/graphs.

Check out AliveCor too. Read the website. That's the future!

 

[bmac4]

Ok...what happens if the plastic lens get scratched? Heart sensor becomes useless. Sapphire provides lasting scratch-free crystal. For me, this proves that Apple has long-term plans for it. Apple did NOT have to put sapphire lens over the heart rate sensors...no one does! Yet, they engineered it. Why go the extra (expensive) step of doing that?

I am sure that Gen 2,3,4 will have more features, which requires stronger processing power. READ my post again dude. Stop jumping the gun here! Damn.

IF you feel so pissy about outlook, then why the hell did you buy the expensive SS with LINK?!

So if you believe all those things require more processing power, how then can you claim then 1st gen is a long term device? They aren't opening these things up and adding the new chips to them for us.

 

[Thai]

I am not mad you did not embarrass me, I could careless what you said or think.

So if you believe all those things require more processing power, how then can you claim then 1st gen is a long term device? They aren't opening these things up and adding the new chips to them for us.

Yet, Apple Watch has sapphire over the vital parts, makes battery easily replaceable, and has a hidden data port.

 

[Night Spring]

You want to read CNN on your Watch Gen 10? You want to do look at photos on your watch?

Why make something totally independent of phone, which then requires GPS, LTE/3G antennas, and bigger battery when you still need your phone 90% of the time? Yes, those things would be nice if you want to run without your phone or make emergency calls. But what if those things can be had in a band? You are a runner or biker that needs GPS...here is a band just for you. You need more battery life, then here is a band for you.

No, of course I don't want to read CNN on my watch. But I also want to go walk around the neighborhood without having to carry my phone. And adding all the functions through bands doesn't strike me as an answer, as that would just make heavier bands instead of heavier watch. Plus, what if I wanted both GPS and extra battery. How am I going to put on two bands at once?

In any case, back to your argument that the Apple watch is meant to last longer than other Apple devices. Well, considering some people keep phones and tablets around for 3-4 years or even longer, I don't disagree with you that the first Apple gen watch would still function five years from now. But would it get the latest OS update? If you are right about the GPS accessory band, yes, something released next year would possibly work with the first gen watch. But would an accessory band released five years from now work with a first gen watch?

 

[bmac4]

Yet, Apple Watch has sapphire over the vital parts, makes battery easily replaceable, and has a hidden data port.

Haha well that just proves to me you have nothing. You say Apple will give us a new chip for next gens, but then say the OG is a legacy watch. Which is?