Who's disappointed with iOS 5?

[henchman]

You knew what he meant. That being said, I would LOVE to hear what a 'proper tablet interface' is. People keep mentioning all these features they want/believe are lacking, but never elaborate on the changes they want to see.

I've mentioned the changes I wanted to see numerous times.
The big one s not having every single app on the desktop. This s the absolute most retarded concept ever. And Jobs will never admit he can be wrong, so weare still stuck with this idiotic concept.
If were not supposed to have hundreds of apps, then dont make a 64 gig or 32 gig iPad.

And no widgets.

 

[henchman]

Yes, I totally plan to get Lion. What's a better way to present your applications, the running of which being the entire point of engaging with my computer? What's the argument for retaining the old giant waste of space desktop model?



Lockscreen notifications are one of the premier features touted about being introduced to iOS...

I will say that my sense of self is on shaky ground without an ability to make the color of my browser different from other people's.

So, you currently have shortcuts of every single application on your computer, on your desktop? No. You don't.

And obviously you are clueless to what real widgets are all about.

I have no need to change the color of my browser, and I never mentioned it either.

 

[Syk]

As for iOS 5, it's insane, it's incorporated things people have been clamoring for (notifications and PC free are only two of the big ones), and coupled with iCloud can really make using Apple devices even better.

Complaints that they've just ripped off the competition are stupid (the competition that hopped on the tablet bandwagon that Apple started?), there's only so many ways to do notification handling. Complaints that this stuff should have been in iOS 4 or earlier are stupid because there's no way to satisfy that criterion. As for complaints that the UI hasn't been changed - there's no point to change interaction design arbitrarily, I have no idea what's wrong with the interface. If 'UI' means the look of it, who puts that kind of importance on the colours or animations or whatever - it's just a novelty effect that disappears quickly.

I agree there is only so many ways to do things and what they've done imo is pretty much brought stuff over from the jailbreak scene that's already available on other phones but so far Apple still has the best ecosystem and at the end of the day for the avg buyer who doesn't want to tinker is going to go iPad because it pretty much has everything and works.

The interface is very dumb down. Like the McDonald's joke, you want a hamburger, the cashier presses a picture of a burger lol

I looked RIM PlayBook. Very nice hardware. Watched the commercial for it the other night and it dawned on me. They showed it playing a video trailer for Thor, Need for Speed, then Jlo dancing, then at the end some skier and yes that's powerful to do all that at once but really who's going to run videos like that, show me how I can use it day to day...Saw the iPad2, it showed it as a picture frame, ultra sound,kid book and a few other things that show's how a person will use the device. The newer Android commercials aren't too bad at showing a device at work

As for the UI I think it would have been nice to see live icons with the ability to turn the feature on or off added to the UI, that would be a compromise between widgets. There is a lot of desktop space that's going unused. I think Apple should add a theme builder. It gives the user a little more ability in customizing their device to their personality

 

[Ava's Meeshee]

So no answer about the right way to present your programs?

 

[Carouser]

Really?
No idea?
How about not having 200 icons puked on your desktop.
Would you accept that on your computer? Every app dumped on your desktop for you to scroll through pages of desktops to find he app you need?

Organized by sequence, folder, and screen, done; they can be found in about 1 second.

Widgets are not a novelty.
You obviousy have no real world experience with them.
Being able to lift the smart cover, and see in an instant my daily calendar, todo list, incoming messages, without having to do anything, not even touch the screen, is in fact a big deal.

I don't know anybody who actually works like this. It's a solved problem anyway with the to-do list and the notification update.

I know the minute widgets are integrated in the official iOS, the fanboys will suddenly proclaim what a genius idea it is, and how wonderful they are .
That's modus operandi for them.

I've never seen anybody do this kind of about-face, but I do see lots of angry people convinced that it will happen.

I've never said anything against widgets (besides I don't see myself using them and that I have the right to change my mind), and widgets are UI only in the loosest sense.

Try uploading a picture to this forum using your iPad.
Good luck with that.

Is this supposed to convince me that iOS 5 is therefore some kind of disappointment?

 

[henchman]

So no answer about the right way to present your programs?

An app drawer, just like android. Allowing The user to decide which apps shortcuts live on the desktop. Ad lots of space for dynamically udating widgets, delivering information I want to see at a glance.

 

[Ava's Meeshee]

As for the UI I think it would have been nice to see live icons with the ability to turn the feature on or off added to the UI, that would be a compromise between widgets. There is a lot of desktop space that's going unused. I think Apple should add a theme builder. It gives the user a little more ability in customizing their device to their personality

I'm astonished and refreshed that a major corporation doesn't condescend to its users with empty invitations to express their personalities through their consumer product.

 

[Ava's Meeshee]

An app drawer, just like android. Allowing The user to decide which apps shortcuts live on the desktop. Ad lots of space for dynamically udating widgets, delivering information I want to see at a glance.

What's wrong with using the existing space of the lock screen? I'm not sure what an app drawer is supposed to provide besides an extra step.

 

[himedc]

I've never seen anybody do this kind of about-face, but I do see lots of angry people convinced that it will happen.

Just take a look at the Macbook Air forums. The backlit keyboard was the best feature ever until it wasn't available.

 

[robjulo]

I'm starting to come around to Apple's way of thinking. I'd be hard pressed to find any reason to have a file system other than it being nice to see all my files together in one place. I mean there are already file systems in iOS, you want to see your picture files go to the pictures app, you want to see your documents go to pages, pdfs goodreader, etc etc. I'd ask the question why in particular do you need a central file system? If the OS runs well and doesn't need any tweaking from the user, if you can easily find whatever file you are trying to open, and if with today's announcement they are making your files ubiquitous in that they will be automatically synced with all of your devices, well with these things I'm starting to see why there isn't a need for a central file system anymore.

I've fought against the death of the file system, but I think with icloud Apple is going to convince a lot of users. I'm starting to see these things as appliances such as a TV, you don't have a central file system on a TV, but you can still access what you need whether it's a menu, or a netflix movie.

I think icloud will be the difference in whether or not a file system is needed (for my purposes). My biggest beef with the way ios handles files now is they are app dependant. Open a file with one app, make changes, open the same file with another app and it is a completely different file. Dropbox made it somewhat easier but it is still a bit cumbersome. Hopefully icloud, because it is integrated, will make things simple.

 

[Mechinyun]

I'm just "meh".. alot of things should have been in YEARS ago, and nothing really to leapfrog android in day to day features or look and feel.

 

[Carouser]

Just take a look at the Macbook Air forums. The backlit keyboard was the best feature ever until it wasn't available.

What? I've followed that, and there were people who said it was missed, others who said 'there's no need for it at all', and some who said 'I'd like to have it but can do without'. It was pretty obvious who to take seriously, whatever their opinion. The point is I never went back to their old posts to see if they were 'fanboys' who touted how great the backlit keyboard was and then flipped. It's just a shamless smear about 'fanboys', why are we even debating it?

 

[nim81]

An app drawer, just like android. Allowing The user to decide which apps shortcuts live on the desktop. Ad lots of space for dynamically udating widgets, delivering information I want to see at a glance.

Other than the widgets, I'm not sure how that's so much different to just having multiple pages on the "desktop" with your most-used apps on the first page?

This would have been a legitimate complaint before iOS 4 and folders, when you had to scroll through a dozen pages to find what you were looking for, but I think the interface now is simple and excellent.

Why have some apps in one place and others in another place?

 

[henchman]

Is this supposed to convince me that iOS 5 is therefore some kind of disappointment?

actually, yes. Because you still need a computer if you would want to use the Internet fully, if all you have are iOS devices.
You are hobbled and limited because of iOS.

As far as the lockscreen, well, I use a smart cover case. And the lock screen doesn't come on. And it doesn't have to.
So, I liftvthe cover, the screen coes on, and I see no pertinent information unless I swipe something.
Widgets can give me allthe info I need in one glance.


Of course, why would anyone want THAT?
that's completey useless, isn't it.

 

[henchman]

Again, I'll ask the question,
Who here has a shortcut of single program n their computer, on their desktop?
Thecanswer us, nobody.
Why?
Because it's useless clutter.

Why can't people just admit it?

 

[madat42]

I'm pretty happy with the iOS 5 announcement. Notifications and the many minor tweaks to apps are all great. I'm not expecting many whiz bang changes because Apple seems to be strategically enriching iOS at a slow pace to please most of the millions on millions of users. Makes sense. The iPad is not a geek toy like Android. The upfront simplicity is what attracts so many people. As time marches on we'll see more features, but not enough to match a true desktop OS. iPad will replace the desktop/laptop for many folks who never really thought about using a computer to its full potential. Those who want to do desktop-grade computing on your iPad will have to make concessions. If you're unhappy with iOS 5, prepare yourself to be more unhappy.

 

[Ava's Meeshee]

Again, I'll ask the question,
Who here has a shortcut of single program n their computer, on their desktop?
Thecanswer us, nobody.
Why?
Because it's useless clutter.

Why can't people just admit it?

The "why" is because it didn't come like that.
Also desktops aren't set up to operate that way. They have another program shortcut location and even if you manually tried to recreate the iOS way it wouldn't have the necessary scroll capability.

 

[nim81]

Again, I'll ask the question,
Who here has a shortcut of single program n their computer, on their desktop?
Thecanswer us, nobody.
Why?
Because it's useless clutter.

Why can't people just admit it?

Why think of the home screen as a desktop at all? A mobile OS requires a different approach to a full-blown one where you have a desktop to act as a background for your windows.

The home screen on an iPhone is merely a launcher for fullscreen apps, and I don't see the point in adding an extra step if you want to get to certain apps

 

[henchman]

The "why" is because it didn't come like that.
Also desktops aren't set up to operate that way. They have another program shortcut location and even if you manually tried to recreate the iOS way it wouldn't have the necessary scroll capability.

Works fine on Android.
The only reason you don't have every icon on your desktop at hoe, is because you don't want it like that.
Admit it.
It's cluttered and horibke to deal with.

 

[henchman]

I'm pretty happy with the iOS 5 announcement. Notifications and the many minor tweaks to apps are all great. I'm not expecting many whiz bang changes because Apple seems to be strategically enriching iOS at a slow pace to please most of the millions on millions of users. Makes sense. The iPad is not a geek toy like Android. The upfront simplicity is what attracts so many people. As time marches on we'll see more features, but not enough to match a true desktop OS. iPad will replace the desktop/laptop for many folks who never really thought about using a computer to its full potential. Those who want to do desktop-grade computing on your iPad will have to make concessions. If you're unhappy with iOS 5, prepare yourself to be more unhappy.

Uploading a picture to a forum s a pretty basic function that s completely lacking on iOS.

 

[Ava's Meeshee]

Works fine on Android.
The only reason you don't have every icon on your desktop at hoe, is because you don't want it like that.
Admit it.
It's cluttered and horibke to deal with.

Are you familiar with Lion at all?

 

[henchman]

Why think of the home screen as a desktop at all? A mobile OS requires a different approach to a full-blown one where you have a desktop to act as a background for your windows.

The home screen on an iPhone is merely a launcher for fullscreen apps, and I don't see the point in adding an extra step if you want to get to certain apps

Because is not a home screen.
A real home screen supplies the user with pertinent information.
The iPad screen gives me zero pertinent information.

 

[henchman]

Are you familiar with Lion at all?

Yes, I read about it.
Another horrible idea.

 

[nim81]

Because is not a home screen.
A real home screen supplies the user with pertinent information.
The iPad screen gives me zero pertinent information.

Call it what you will... it's a screen that lets you look through and load your apps.

I agree that some (useful) widgets such as upcoming appointments/todos would be nice, but most widgets are just gimmicks.

I'm not sure why Apple chose to have widgets for weather and stock prices when they decided to add this... I'm pretty sure 90% of iPhone users never check stock prices, and if I want to know the current weather I can look out the window.

 

[Carouser]

I can put 4 folders a page for 4 home pages at 12 apps a folder. That's only 4 icons on a screen, swipes + 2 taps to get at any of them, and that's 192 apps. This is cluttered? I can also use finder to just bring any App up in seconds. Frequently used Apps go in the dock or in the first home screen and not in a folder. As I said earlier, you can also organize the icons sequentially, by name, whatever you want. I have no idea what solution is faster, or less cluttered (what else do you need the space for?)

EDIT: I am a Very Important Person. I have to check my calendar and the weather simultaneously, while keeping an eye on my inbox. If I get a message, I need to know right away by looking at the mail feed (but I can't open my Mail program to actually answer the message because then I might miss the stock fluctuations or the sports scores, and I have to see all this Important Information at a glance right away all at once together). My calendar updates in real-time split-second action. You never know when an appointment will pop-up at the last second just when I might have been distracted by my RSS news, which also gives me mission-critical data I need to execute my desktop maneuvers. Also, I am Tony Stark.

Seriously, I can get why people might like to be able to do this, but it's not a big deal especially in comparison to what iOS 5 actually does. Widgets 'puked' on the desktop does nothing for productivity (and if staring at all your Important Information on your home screen counts as leisure, not work . . . )