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From this point on Don't buy anymore iPhones or iPads with less than 2gb of ram
The iPad Air 2 split view proves iOS 9 & 10 will need 2gb or more of ram to run new heavy task features

I'm not. I began my iOS "boycott", so to speak, a year and a half ago and have no intention on funding Apple's recent move of releasing under specced devices to maximize profits at the expense of customer and user experience.

I hope the 6S/6S+ are more inline with my expectations of what a smart phone should have under the hood at the very minimum in 2015. I'm an Apple fan, not an Apple zealot. My business needs to be earned, it's not a given just because of a brand.

1GB of RAM is an instant no go for me.
 
The iPhone 6+ is a one task device at this point. It reloads tabs, crashes on media rich sites, reloads the same page even before its finished loading. Forget about actually trying to switch between different apps without losing all your data.

This will be the first iPhone that I replace after just one year of usage, simply due to inability to manage multiple apps and constant web page crashing. I wish Apple would just give us 3-4gb of RAM to accomodate the heavy users. I'd be willing to pay for it.

I agree entirely, and your experiences mimic mine. I fully intended owning this 6+ for two years, but it has been an awful experience since day one and I cannot imagine living with it whilst knowing there is a 6S out there that performs how I would expect a premium smartphone to. It really is a one task device like you say, and if using data-heavy websites (such as newspapers) it can barely handle one browser tab & often crashes.
 
My problem is that people make claims to know that a supposed device is insufficiently built because of a problem they are experiencing as a minority. And literally have no evidence to back up that claim, i'd suggest making a video like bobby did, because this is pointless. I test iOS environments with loads of apps opened in the background everyday. It's neat to know how certain apps respond to certain circumstances. I say iPhone 6 and 6+ have sufficient RAM, my devices are working accordingly. You say that you're experiencing differently. Fine, the burder of proof is not with me in this case. But please don't claim it's a universal thing. Because it's not it's not happening to everyone.

Of course there is a local minority that is reporting these "issues". I've been apart of tech forums for a while now, and no matter which one you go to, the only people on the forums complaining about issues (perceived or not) are the ones that care about technology. The average consumer just takes the device as is, and assumes it's working fine regardless of how a technology enthusiast thinks of it. A good example is the people using budget Android phones from 2 years ago. I couldn't stand using them because of how sluggish they are compared to more modern devices; however, the devices still function and perform the functions requested. The anecdotal evidence that people are providing is evidence enough in this situation. Being a technology enthusiast doesn't necessarily mean that the person will know all the inner workings of how the device works, just that they are very enthusiastic about the device and similar devices overall. Even if this problem was happening to others, the non-tech enthusiast crowd, I doubt they would be coming on to MacRumors to complain; and some wouldn't even complain at all and just deal with it. If you think nobody is that big of a pushover that they wouldn't tell Apple or anybody that their device isn't working correctly, you'd be fooling yourself. Also, another reason the average consumer wouldn't complain is that they: A) Are the classic iSheep that believes whatever Apple makes is gold, B) Come from a phone that is much less capable and know it's better than their old one, C) Don't feel it's necessary to complain, D) Just take it back to the store and get it replaced with something else, E) Just assume that's how it's supposed to be; I could go on a while for the motivations of people but I won't. Telling people to provide you with proof when they have no idea where to start, and you are providing no help, doesn't help your case or theirs and just makes you out to be the arrogant one in the argument, despite the rudeness of some posters.

Overall, the issue very much seems to be RAM related. Whether or not that is due to only having 1GB or RAM, or the software purging the RAM too aggressively, or a combination of the two doesn't really matter that much as it is still about the RAM. I have had a similar experience on my Moto X (2014) when it was updated to Android 5.0 (albeit slightly different). My phone had app and tab reloads about as bad as my 2nd gen iPad mini, but it would show that I had 500 MB RAM free. The entire 5.0 line of Android had overly aggressive memory management and never completely used the full 2GB. Recently is has been updated to 5.1, and the problem has gone away entirely as the memory management system was fixed and it properly utilizes all available RAM before purging apps. In this case it was definitely a software issue. On my 2nd gen mini I have installed a widget that displays system information including the percentage of allocated memory. Upon a fresh boot between 600 and 700MB of my 1GB was used for whatever system processes and other programs start at boot. When opening a Safari tab that figure jumps up to over 900MB of used RAM. Opening 3 tabs with mild to heavy content refreshes 1 of them when I switch back and forth without fail. I know Safari has had issues with being poorly coded in the past and uses a lot of system resources. I feel the main crux of the argument is that others have had better multitasking experiences with devices in the past, and they are not experiencing the same with current devices. The only differences between these devices is: 1) OS (which is a huge one), 2) Screen resolution, and 3) The particular A series chip in the device in question.

Despite you feeling that the RAM is sufficient for your uses, that doesn't mean that other people are wrong to complain about the experience on their own devices being worse than a device they owned 2 years ago. When the 6 plus first came out there were people who noticed lag and reloads and had Apple replace it a couple times, until they came to the conclusion that's how it will behave. So, unless they just got 3 bad devices in a row I feel that their complaints are valid evidence that something is up. While I agree that software is the likely culprit, having more RAM isn't a negative thing to add to the device. Now, while the iPhone doesn't need 8GB of RAM, it would still benefit from more; like any device really. Memory is indeed cheap, and the savings that Apple will most likely receive from using components that are in the iPhone 6 could easily go towards the increased RAM of the 6S. Just adding in the 2GB of RAM doesn't necessarily encourage developers to be lazy, because if they were going to be lazy with 1GB of RAM and do the bare minimum with that, then you can bet they will be lazy and do the bare minimum with 2GB. I feel it really comes down to how Apple handles the resource use of it's own system apps, and the requirements it puts on it's developers for future iOS versions. At some point it will need more RAM. There was a time where people thought 256KB was all computers needed, that's not the case any more.
 
What about 1 gb on the 6S and 2gb on the 6S+ The 6 is too small for multitasking anyway. Then they wait for iPhone 7 for 2gb on both.
 
What about 1 gb on the 6S and 2gb on the 6S+ The 6 is too small for multitasking anyway. Then they wait for iPhone 7 for 2gb on both.

The iPhone 6 experience with app refreshes and app reloads is just as horrible as the 6+.

What you're suggesting is not only terrible, but nurtures one of the worst attributes of Tim Cook's Apple.
 
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What about 1 gb on the 6S and 2gb on the 6S+ The 6 is too small for multitasking anyway. Then they wait for iPhone 7 for 2gb on both.
If that happens, I'm quitting iOS. While I have a 6+ right now, I'm finding it too big and plan on going to the standard model next time around. But as others have said, these devices just aren't capable of multitasking, and I refuse to buy another device with just 1gb ram.
 
What about 1 gb on the 6S and 2gb on the 6S+ The 6 is too small for multitasking anyway. Then they wait for iPhone 7 for 2gb on both.

I multitasked like a bi*ch on my iPhone 5, and it's smaller. Are you talking about split-screen multitasking or merely the ability to switch to an app you were using five minutes ago and not have it reload? I mean the latter. It was a much more capable device than my dumbed-down 6+.
 
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I multitasked like a bi*ch on my iPhone 5, and it's smaller. Are you talking about split-screen multitasking or merely the ability to switch to an app you were using five minutes ago and not have it reload? I mean the latter. It was a much more capable device than my dumbed-down 6+.

I decided to buy the iPhone 5s outright instead of 6 this time around because of its solid feel, and having a bigger screen is not important to me. I'll wait for the 7 next year, and hope for some nice upgrades. Really don't like the antenna bands on the 6 either. Even the Galaxy s6 is a real nice smartphone over the iPhone, and one can only hope Apple will think this through before the iPhone 7 is introduced.
 
I decided to buy the iPhone 5s outright instead of 6 this time around because of its solid feel, and having a bigger screen is not important to me. I'll wait for the 7 next year, and hope for some nice upgrades. Really don't like the antenna bands on the 6 either. Even the Galaxy s6 is a real nice smartphone over the iPhone, and one can only hope Apple will think this through before the iPhone 7 is introduced.

I really thought I was missing out on some performance increases so swapped my i5 for the 6+, also fancying the bigger screen it must be said. Sadly it was a terrible decision. Worst phone I've ever had. Awful in fact. Just a big crashy reloading device which is rubbish to browse the web on. Surely it should be better than a phone from two generations ago. Going back to a small screen now would be impossible but I used to get along fine with the i5 screen before I was spoiled. Put this screen on my i5 and *bam* there's a 6S!
 
Thing is, the differences in software don't magically cause all the various apps to use less memory. There is always a compromise, and in this case, the differences in memory handling results in the reloading.
Paging can always be used a stopgap for memory shortage, although less efficient but it can definitely help with reloading apps or tabs. Memory is not the only solution, getting the bugs of of the OS comes first. I dont know what the effect of excess memory is, does having excess memory cascade anything else down the line?
 
Paging can always be used a stopgap for memory shortage, although less efficient but it can definitely help with reloading apps or tabs. Memory is not the only solution, getting the bugs of of the OS comes first. I dont know what the effect of excess memory is, does having excess memory cascade anything else down the line?
Except that (at last as I recall) there really isn't any paging or anything beyond RAM that is used for any and all memory purposes in iOS, so RAM has a much more of an immediate and direct impact on it all.

And it's not like increasing memory after years would somehow get in the way of or deprioritize fixing bugs or doing something else that should be done anyway.
 
Paging can always be used a stopgap for memory shortage, although less efficient but it can definitely help with reloading apps or tabs. Memory is not the only solution, getting the bugs of of the OS comes first. I dont know what the effect of excess memory is, does having excess memory cascade anything else down the line?

Paging out memory to the internal storage wouldn't be the smartest idea as the type of flash that is used in smartphone isnt the most robust. It would degrade the storage fairly quickly (especially on 16GB devices). If I recall the quality of flash storage (expected read write cycles) is, from lowest to highest: kind used for most thumb drives, NAND commonly used in phones, consumer grade SSDs, commercial grade SSDs. I'm sure I forgot a few in there, but the quality isn't the highest.
 
Paging can always be used a stopgap for memory shortage, although less efficient but it can definitely help with reloading apps or tabs. Memory is not the only solution, getting the bugs of of the OS comes first. I dont know what the effect of excess memory is, does having excess memory cascade anything else down the line?

If Apple didn't decide to switch to TLC memory, I would agree paging would be the best solution. Not everything needs high speed access to resources. But since they use TLC (and presumably will continue to do so), the NAND will just wear out too quickly.

Excess memory doesn't cause much in the way of problems. Maybe a tiny bit of extra power usage if they have to use multiple ICs to increase memory.
 
I'm not. I began my iOS "boycott", so to speak, a year and a half ago and have no intention on funding Apple's recent move of releasing under specced devices to maximize profits at the expense of customer and user experience.

And yet here you are, browsing the forums of a phone you hate spamming nonsense and lies with the same two other people over and over while nobody cares.
 
Its such a misguided criticism.

The device isn't meant to do "multitasking" on it anyway, so already you guys are using the device for the wrong purpose, either because you don't have enough money to have the appropriate device or tool for the job, or because you're doing something that most people don't do anyway.

4/5 times when Im browsing the web with Safari I want the most recent version of that page.

Safari doesnt know if you are browsing the regular web or if you are posting on a live text field. In most cases the passive refresh is ideal and preferred for content consumption on the go which is the primary use for the device.

Most people prefer the fresh reloading like if you're refreshing to see new posts, or news, or whatever.

They are not gonna prioritize the people who use the iPhone for the wrong stretched out reasons. Cant you get a MacBook or MacBook Air for all that hardcore "multitasking" you do?

Apple builds its eco system in a way that expects you to have iPhone, iPad, and Mac. It doesnt spec its iPhone in a way to do what iPad and Mac does to such an extent.

If you really need to multitask so bad on a device thats not even meant for that, then you know exactly what you need to do. (just purge extra apps and tabs) Problem solved.
 
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Its such a misguided criticism.

The device isn't meant to do "multitasking" on it anyway, so already you guys are using the device for the wrong purpose, either because you don't have enough money to have the appropriate device or tool for the job, or because you're doing something that most people don't do anyway.

4/5 times when Im browsing the web with Safari I want the most recent version of that page.

Safari doesnt know if you are browsing the regular web or if you are posting on a live text field. In most cases the passive refresh is ideal and preferred.

Most people prefer the fresh reloading like if you're refreshing to see new posts, or news, or whatever.

They are not gonna prioritize the people who use the iPhone for the wrong stretched out reasons. Cant you get a MacBook or MacBook Air for all that hardcore "multitasking" you do?

Apple builds its eco system in a way that expects you to have iPhone, iPad, and Mac. It doesnt spec its iPhone in a way to do what iPad and Mac does to such an extent.

If you really need to multitask so bad on a device thats not even meant for that, then you know exactly what you need to do. (just purge extra apps and tabs) Problem solved.

Wow, I've never read such a terrible argent in my life. So, to sum up: 80% of the time you like your website refreshed and most other people are exactly like you, so the rest of us are expecting too much and are using it wrong. I just expect it to work similar to other devices that fill the same market segment and for the multitasking that is advertised in ios to actually be multitasking, and not reload apps and tabs as frequently as it does. Otherwise, it might as well just be called "capable of switching apps on the fly".

If you think the iPhone doesn't multitask as well as the iPad because it's not specced the same you are insane. Up until the iPad air 2, the iPads were pretty on par with the iPhone (save for some extra graphics cores in some generations). By your logic I should be able to multitask on my 2nd gen mini better than an iPhone 6, guess what? I can't. Macs have better capabilities because they are larger and the components don't have to be miniaturized.

The only truth you spoke was that Apple intends for you to buy the whole set of it's products because they work well together and can complement each other nicely.
 
Wow, I've never read such a terrible argent in my life. So, to sum up: 80% of the time you like your website refreshed and most other people are exactly like you, so the rest of us are expecting too much and are using it wrong. I just expect it to work similar to other devices that fill the same market segment and for the multitasking that is advertised in ios to actually be multitasking, and not reload apps and tabs as frequently as it does. Otherwise, it might as well just be called "capable of switching apps on the fly".

If you think the iPhone doesn't multitask as well as the iPad because it's not specced the same you are insane. Up until the iPad air 2, the iPads were pretty on par with the iPhone (save for some extra graphics cores in some generations). By your logic I should be able to multitask on my 2nd gen mini better than an iPhone 6, guess what? I can't. Macs have better capabilities because they are larger and the components don't have to be miniaturized.

The only truth you spoke was that Apple intends for you to buy the whole set of it's products because they work well together and can complement each other nicely.

I don't think you understood what I mean.

1. The iPhone 6+ IS capable of multitasking.

2. I have posted evidence that you can switch between apps and they won't reload.

3. Even IF someone were to refute #1 or #2 there is still #4:

4. Phones aren't meant to be a workhorse in the first place so #1 and #2 are a bonus anyway.

Essentially Im saying even IF they were to win the argument (which they didnt) they would still have lost on the grounds that the phone isn't even meant to do that. So its keeping it in context of how pointless and petty the criticism is on two separate levels.
 
Its such a misguided criticism.

The device isn't meant to do "multitasking" on it anyway, so already you guys are using the device for the wrong purpose, either because you don't have enough money to have the appropriate device or tool for the job, or because you're doing something that most people don't do anyway.

4/5 times when Im browsing the web with Safari I want the most recent version of that page.

Safari doesnt know if you are browsing the regular web or if you are posting on a live text field. In most cases the passive refresh is ideal and preferred for content consumption on the go which is the primary use for the device.

Most people prefer the fresh reloading like if you're refreshing to see new posts, or news, or whatever.

They are not gonna prioritize the people who use the iPhone for the wrong stretched out reasons. Cant you get a MacBook or MacBook Air for all that hardcore "multitasking" you do?

Apple builds its eco system in a way that expects you to have iPhone, iPad, and Mac. It doesnt spec its iPhone in a way to do what iPad and Mac does to such an extent.

If you really need to multitask so bad on a device thats not even meant for that, then you know exactly what you need to do. (just purge extra apps and tabs) Problem solved.
That is *such* rubbish. I spent 18 months with my iPhone 5 and it multitasked fine. Sure it reloaded more than I would have liked but it could keep two apps and two browser tabs open without any refreshing. I was expecting the same with my 6+ (knowing it only had 1GB of RAM) but sadly it cannot keep one app and one browser tab in memory for very long. The multitasking capabilities have gone from ok to disastrous over two generations of iPhone. Things should be getting better, not MUCH worse. Sadly people like you defend this nonsense. The 6+ is a potentially great phone ruined, yes RUINED by insufficient RAM.
 
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The turn of the century called (via Nokia) and wants you back to play snake!

Absolutely! Why don't we all trade our iPhone 6 and 6+ in for an i4 then, if all they're designed for is basic 'mobile phone' tasks. It seems to me that Bobby hasn't quite grasped the concept of a smartphone yet.
 
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Except that (at last as I recall) there really isn't any paging or anything beyond RAM that is used for any and all memory purposes in iOS, so RAM has a much more of an immediate and direct impact on it all.
How did we establish that there is no paging?
 
I don't think you understood what I mean.

1. The iPhone 6+ IS capable of multitasking.

2. I have posted evidence that you can switch between apps and they won't reload.

3. Even IF someone were to refute #1 or #2 there is still #4:

4. Phones aren't meant to be a workhorse in the first place so #1 and #2 are a bonus anyway.

Essentially Im saying even IF they were to win the argument (which they didnt) they would still have lost on the grounds that the phone isn't even meant to do that. So its keeping it in context of how pointless and petty the criticism is on two separate levels.

Yeah, like others have attested to, this is misguided and incorrect. Yes the iPhone can hold 2 apps and not reload either, heck I'm sure it can hold 5 or more just fine depending on what apps you are switching between. Your definition of workhorse also needs to be defined. I don't expect my phone to replace my computer when it comes to processor or graphically intensive applications, but I do expect it to perform as well as they advertise and as well as other devices in the same market segment. I have had Android phones, and others have had older iPhone that can switch between apps and tabs more often without reloading than either the 6 or the 6+. I expect my experience to be equal to that of a phone I had 2 years ago. That experience was that of being able to research items for purchase and switch easily between 5 or 6 tabs for information. I cannot do that on my iPad nowadays, but I could on a phone 2 years older than it. That is not too much to ask as every company with a mobile OS is saying how much more advanced it is getting, yet is starting to lack in the areas that were fine 2 years earlier.
 
Can you just prove it just once before stating that the phone has insufficient RAM?

OK, well it is proven that the iPhone 5S, 6 and 6+ have less RAM than the iPhone 5. How is that progression? How is that in any way acceptable? They all share the same 1GB of RAM but the iPhone 5 is 32Bit and so it uses less RAM, meaning more is available for the apps & browser tabs etc. When you factor in that the 6+ has way more demanding hardware than the iPhone 5 what with the much larger display, plus the ridiculously high non-native resolution which constantly needs downscaling to 1080p, it seems not only insane but unforgivable that the 6+ has *less* available RAM than the iPhone 5.

Oh and why do Android flagships come with 3 and soon to be 4GB of RAM? Please don't say that Android 'needs' three or four times as much RAM in order to simply function. My Android tablet is an absolute champ for not reloading and it only has 1.5GB of RAM.
 
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