Why do many Mac User believe that Macs have better hardware then all PCs

[AppleScruff1]

Your memory really isn't that great, but we all know that from your pety arguements that don't make sense.

You posted that pc's have all these extra features, and I stated that they are mostly UNNEEDED features such as finger print readers. That is when you went off on some tangent about how our own government relies on finger print readers for security. A comment that anyone with half a brain would see right through.

It has been stated numerous times. Apple includes what the majority of us need and nothing else. Genuis. The same goes with the iPhone.

My memory is fine. I posted 3 features that Mac's don't have, BluRay, USB 3 and fingerprint readers. I never went off on any tangent, you did. Every feature I mentioned you said was unneeded. And then you went off from there. You turned it into a corporate security argument and I named two places where they are used. And I am reporting you for the half a brain comment as I was suspended for two days for making a similar comment. Hopefully the rules are the same for everyone.

And to the rest of those in this discussion, I had no intent of bashing Apple when I posted those 3 features. I brought them up as a point of discussion and what happened from there is quite obvious.

 

[cirus]

I'm talking about macs that are portable.

What is the point of having such a 'portable' computer however, if you need a billion adapters? The machine is not nearly so portable if you have to carry around a USB hub in addition to the laptop. I'm just pointing out that even the BEST have flaws or what some would consider flaws.

 

[gnasher729]

I said earlier that not one person in the world needs or uses a fingerprint reader. I'm sure that Lenovo, Toshiba, Sony, HP etc would feel quite foolish if they read this thread. Obviously they are unnecessary or else Apple would include them on the Macs.

Not at all foolish. Fingerprint readers are targeted at the spec whores. If the spec fetishist chooses a laptop over a competitors laptop because it has a fingerprint reader, then the fingerprint reader has done its purpose. The intent is not to give the customer something that is useful, but something that makes him or her choose that laptop.

And since Apple thinks differently and designs its computers differently, they don't come with fingerprint readers.

 

[gregoryalee]

BMW's are overrated

Yea, I went there.

To each his own but have you ever DRIVEN a new or good condition BMW that has a good amount of power? Car and Driver and a bunch of other experts would disagree with your opinion of BMW as they are the benchmark.

 

[iApples]

To each his own but have you ever DRIVEN a new or good condition BMW that has a good amount of power? Car and Driver and a bunch of other experts would disagree with your opinion of BMW as they are the benchmark.

And when something goes wrong with them... It costs A LOT of money to fix them. Especially electronic stuff. A $20,000 car can do the exact same thing as a BMW. It gets you from point A to point B. All the horsepower in the car is useless when we have speed limits.

 

[matt3839]

Not at all foolish. Fingerprint readers are targeted at the spec whores. If the spec fetishist chooses a laptop over a competitors laptop because it has a fingerprint reader, then the fingerprint reader has done its purpose. The intent is not to give the customer something that is useful, but something that makes him or her choose that laptop.

And since Apple thinks differently and designs its computers differently, they don't come with fingerprint readers.

Fingerprint readers aren't useful? They're a nice security feature if you have sensitive information on your laptop.

It's just a little bit conceited to say that just because you don't need a certain feature, neither does anybody else.

 

[Hastings101]

Because, in my experience, most Apple users on forums like this tend to be arrogant elitists (Just look at that iPad in Walmart threads etc.) that think every Apple product is a gift from the gods.

Fortunately Apple is becoming popular and mainstream, so this is beginning to disappear as less zealous people start using Apple related forums.

 

[harcosparky]

My memory is fine. I posted 3 features that Mac's don't have, BluRay, USB 3 and fingerprint readers.

USB 3 has been trumped by Intel's Thunderbolt
http://www.intel.com/technology/io/thunderbolt/index.htm
http://www.intel.com/technology/io/thunderbolt/325136-001US_secured.pdf

Fingerprint readers are a GIMMICK !!!!

BluRay in notebooks will end up being another GIMMICK !!!!!
I mean, why play a BluRay when you can run a 1080p HD movie digitally.
Storage? No thanks, I'll use a portable external drive with more space.

 

[gregoryalee]

All i'm saying is that there are things possible on a pc that are not possible on a mac. many would find 2 USB ports not enough (I do). SOME do require more than one external display.

A mac has a limited number of ports that some may find confining, its true, get over it. There are limitations to them, just as there as limitations to windows pcs, only one external moniter is one. True, not used very often by the majority but if you NEED two external moniters then...

Other than the build and quality (unibody, trackpad,etc), PC hardware is better, if not only from the sheer variety out there. (I said hardware not software because this thread is about hardware).

The point is if you are looking for a 15 inch computer with three native USB ports (any kinds, no hubs) then a mac is not in the running. It does not have three. End of story.

1.) For a lot of users even 10 USB ports aren't enough so it's a waste of time arguing the amount of USB ports. Get a hub if you don't have enough.

Uh... my now ancient G5 tower and the mac pro both could have multiple monitors connected to them with the video card that came with them...out of the box. In fact mine did!

A VERY Very few laptops that I run across in my profession allow for more than one attached monitor so what is the deal???

I do agree with you that each side has it's detractions, but calling PC hardware better is not as much an issue as it is making you much more of a rabid M$ fanboi because you going through the trouble making that claim on an apple enthusiast site.

 

[matt3839]

USB 3 has been trumped by Intel's Thunderbolt
http://www.intel.com/technology/io/thunderbolt/index.htm
http://www.intel.com/technology/io/thunderbolt/325136-001US_secured.pdf

Fingerprint readers are a GIMMICK !!!!

BluRay in notebooks will end up being another GIMMICK !!!!!
I mean, why play a BluRay when you can run a 1080p HD movie digitally.
Storage? No thanks, I'll use a portable external drive with more space.

First of all, USB is a well-established standard; virtually all peripherals made anymore use it. This is just me, but I have a feeling that Thunderbolt is going to take the same road as FireWire: technologically superior, but very few people use it in comparison to USB.

Second of all, fingerprint readers are not a gimmick if you have valuable info on your computer. You can guess a password; you can't guess a unique biological trait.

Last, Blu-ray is currently established as the de facto standard HD movie format. Hardly a gimmick when almost every new movie has an HD version on Blu-ray alongside a regular DVD. Plus, you simply can't beat a physical copy of anything. What happens if your external hard drive is broken?

 

[gregoryalee]

And when something goes wrong with them... It costs A LOT of money to fix them. Especially electronic stuff. A $20,000 car can do the exact same thing as a BMW. It gets you from point A to point B. All the horsepower in the car is useless when we have speed limits.

Sure it costs a lot of money, but if you can afford the car then big deal. Especially with a 100k warranty.

Your second point tells me that you have in fact never driven a real BMW: You are WRONG...Dead WRONG: I will tell you what, you take your 20,000 car on the twists in the mountains with me at 80 miles per hour and I will drive my BMW. Lets see who flies off the road first Speed isn't the only thing when it comes to driving. Even 35 around some corners can be harrowing in a lot of cars.

 

[gregoryalee]

Fingerprint readers aren't useful? They're a nice security feature if you have sensitive information on your laptop.

It's just a little bit conceited to say that just because you don't need a certain feature, neither does anybody else.

I agree they are useful if you have sensitive information on your laptop, but if you do, you really should be using drive encryption as removing a drive from a laptop for it's contents is quite trivial.

 

[matt3839]

I agree they are useful if you have sensitive information on your laptop, but if you do, you really should be using drive encryption as removing a drive from a laptop for it's contents is quite trivial.

Absolutely agreed. But if you're carrying millions of dollars of information under your arm on the way to a business meeting, you're going to want as much security as possible.

 

[harcosparky]

First of all, USB is a well-established standard; virtually all peripherals made anymore use it. This is just me, but I have a feeling that Thunderbolt is going to take the same road as FireWire: technologically superior, but very few people use it in comparison to USB.

I thought the same thing about Thunderbolt until I did a little research on it.

Second of all, fingerprint readers are not a gimmick if you have valuable info on your computer. You can guess a password; you can't guess a unique biological trait.

Your fingerprint reader will not protect your data from someone who wants it. It will only make you *think* it will protect it. I proved this to someone who has a fingerprint reader on his notebook!

What happens if your external hard drive is broken?

All of my drives are back up TWICE onto two separate drives, thus I have three copies. One in use and the other two in two different physical locations.


What happens if your BluRay disk gets SCRATCHED? I guess you could use it as a coaster!

 

[gregoryalee]

Absolutely agreed. But if you're carrying millions of dollars of information under your arm on the way to a business meeting, you're going to want as much security as possible.

Great response! I would add though that if you use that logic, a brinks truck and a few armed body guards would make a great add-on for extra security!

 

[gregoryalee]

Because, in my experience, most Apple users on forums like this tend to be arrogant elitists (Just look at that iPad in Walmart threads etc.) that think every Apple product is a gift from the gods.

Fortunately Apple is becoming popular and mainstream, so this is beginning to disappear as less zealous people start using Apple related forums.

Darn I have been enjoying being arrogant and elite! But really I used to like being one of the few mac users... I love the security through obscurity model.

 

[gregoryalee]

I thought the same thing about Thunderbolt until I did a little research on it.


Your fingerprint reader will not protect your data from someone who wants it. It will only make you *think* it will protect it. I proved this to someone who has a fingerprint reader on his notebook!


All of my drives are back up TWICE onto two separate drives, thus I have three copies. One in use and the other two in two different physical locations.


What happens if your BluRay disk gets SCRATCHED? I guess you could use it as a coaster!

Hey great plan! I have a similar setup. In addition I pay for apples mobileme could service to add an offsite location to save our financial info and our photographs in case the house goes up in smoke.

 

[xIGmanIx]

Security through obscurity is a myth, usually open and published is more secire

Darn I have been enjoying being arrogant and elite! But really I used to like being one of the few mac users... I love the security through obscurity model.

Extremely sensible thus has no place in these forums haha

Because, in my experience, most Apple users on forums like this tend to be arrogant elitists (Just look at that iPad in Walmart threads etc.) that think every Apple product is a gift from the gods.

Fortunately Apple is becoming popular and mainstream, so this is beginning to disappear as less zealous people start using Apple related forums.

 

[gregoryalee]

Security through obscurity is a myth, usually open and published is more secire

Extremely sensible thus has no place in these forums haha

You are correct sir! But more secure does not necessarily mean more safe. Windows 7 has been found to be more secure than OS X by many security experts. BUT my consulting company alone has found many fully patched and secured windows 7 computers that were compromised. Not so with any OS X user we have interacted with to date.... even the porn surfing fiends.

 

[cmChimera]

First of all, USB is a well-established standard; virtually all peripherals made anymore use it. This is just me, but I have a feeling that Thunderbolt is going to take the same road as FireWire: technologically superior, but very few people use it in comparison to USB.

Second of all, fingerprint readers are not a gimmick if you have valuable info on your computer. You can guess a password; you can't guess a unique biological trait.

Last, Blu-ray is currently established as the de facto standard HD movie format. Hardly a gimmick when almost every new movie has an HD version on Blu-ray alongside a regular DVD. Plus, you simply can't beat a physical copy of anything. What happens if your external hard drive is broken?

I'm all for options, so I understand people that want Blu-ray even though I, personally, think it's impractical to put a Blu-Ray player in a laptop at this point.

The one thing I wanted to comment on though, is that USB is so established that it couldn't possibly be trumped by thunderbolt. The problem with that theory is that Intel is doing everything in its power to make damn sure thunderbolt comes out a winner. Considering the fact they they own the chipset market for anything more than a netbook, I'm betting they'll succeed.

 

[matt3839]

I'm all for options, so I understand people that want Blu-ray even though I, personally, think it's impractical to put a Blu-Ray player in a laptop at this point.

The one thing I wanted to comment on though, is that USB is so established that it couldn't possibly be trumped by thunderbolt. The problem with that theory is that Intel is doing everything in its power to make damn sure thunderbolt comes out a winner. Considering the fact they they own the chipset market for anything more than a netbook, I'm betting they'll succeed.

Intel can spice up the technology as much as they want, it doesn't change the fact that you need compatible peripherals that can take advantage of Light Peak; hell, we currently have DisplayPort in just about every modern higher-end computer, and few monitors even support DP, many people are still using VGA for monitors. Only the consumers decide de facto standards like this. If many manufacturers release Thunderbolt-compatible products then it's bound to succeed, but I still think this is history repeating itself.

 

[AppleScruff1]

USB 3 has been trumped by Intel's Thunderbolt
http://www.intel.com/technology/io/thunderbolt/index.htm
http://www.intel.com/technology/io/thunderbolt/325136-001US_secured.pdf

Fingerprint readers are a GIMMICK !!!!

BluRay in notebooks will end up being another GIMMICK !!!!!
I mean, why play a BluRay when you can run a 1080p HD movie digitally.
Storage? No thanks, I'll use a portable external drive with more space.

Then why put an optical drive in the computer at all? If you're going to include one, why not take advantage of what it can offer? A BluRay drive won't break the bank. Of course it's apparent that anything not offered by Apple is a gimmick of some sort.

I'm all for options, so I understand people that want Blu-ray even though I, personally, think it's impractical to put a Blu-Ray player in a laptop at this point.

The one thing I wanted to comment on though, is that USB is so established that it couldn't possibly be trumped by thunderbolt. The problem with that theory is that Intel is doing everything in its power to make damn sure thunderbolt comes out a winner. Considering the fact they they own the chipset market for anything more than a netbook, I'm betting they'll succeed.

What is so impractical about putting a BluRay drive in a laptop? Macbook Pro's all have an optical drive, what's so hard about installing a BluRay drive instead? Same for USB 3. It's backwards compatible so why not include it? Maybe Thunderbolt will become the new standard, but USB will be around for quite a while. It won't happen overnight.

 

[iMackPro]

i think my mac is superior to a PC because i own a macbook and whatever i own is the best =). im just that cool!

 

[verta]

USB 3 has been trumped by Intel's Thunderbolt
http://www.intel.com/technology/io/thunderbolt/index.htm
http://www.intel.com/technology/io/thunderbolt/325136-001US_secured.pdf

Fingerprint readers are a GIMMICK !!!!

BluRay in notebooks will end up being another GIMMICK !!!!!
I mean, why play a BluRay when you can run a 1080p HD movie digitally.
Storage? No thanks, I'll use a portable external drive with more space.

You can't be serious...

 

[grahamnp]

Just because some of us feel that that the MBP is lacking in certain areas doesn't mean we are attacking anybody's decision to buy one or suggesting that the laptop is crap. We are, after all, all Mac users and it is ridiculous that some of you would suggest that you have to be either a Windows use or a Mac user who thinks all Apple products are perfect with no middle ground.

]USB 3 has been trumped by Intel's Thunderbolt

Thunderbolt is great and I cannot wait for the first mainstream devices to start shipping but as of now, can you name a single device that we can all use?

]Fingerprint readers are a GIMMICK !!!!

Maybe to you, but nobody charges extra for it and nobody forces you to use it. It has uses outside of security. I could say that the battery indicator on the MBP is gimmicky because I never use it but that doesn't mean it has no place on another person's laptop.

]BluRay in notebooks will end up being another GIMMICK !!!!!
I mean, why play a BluRay when you can run a 1080p HD movie digitally.

BluRay is better quality than digital download or streaming. The current quality levels also leave some room to spare on the disc so it can continue to increase in quality while downloads/streaming will be limited by storage and bandwidth constraints. People have been repeatedly trumpeting the quality advantages of the MBP (build quality, screen, keyboard etc.) in this thread so why is it so difficult to accept that some people extend the same expectations of quality to their viewing experience? Also, the MBP has an optical drive, while it is there taking up space, why can't it be the best kind there is?

]Storage? No thanks, I'll use a portable external drive with more space.

The same can be said external/extra/larger batteries and battery life.