Why FaceID is OBJECTIVELY a regressive technology

[DNichter]

I would take that option any day over the "ears" or "notch".
If next years model is also the same thing as the current X then Im probably going with an 8 Plus😉

Have you used the X/notch? In regards to next years, I'd imagine the larger X will be identical, just larger.

 

[DanielDD]

Have you used the X/notch? In regards to next years, I'd imagine the larger X will be identical, just larger.

I used it in store. The notch just makes the screen look not right, specially during OS animations. Is it too much to ask for a rectangle screen? How times have changed

 

[DNichter]

I used in store. The notch just makes the screen look not right, specially during OS animations. Is it too much to ask for a rectangle screen? How times have changed

At first you notice it, but eventually you just don't think about it. It grows on ya.

 

[phpmaven]

I think his point is why bother unlocking it at all if you are not going to look at it eventually? You can't really count "looking at your phone" as some sort of extra step over Touch ID because even with Touch ID the assumption is you are unlocking it to look at your phone.

People keep breaking down Face ID as if it is all these oh-so-difficult extra steps over Touch ID: you need to look, then swipe, or whatever. But no, it is isn't like that. You just swipe it and at some point before, after, or even during the swipe vaguely look at your phone (to the degree depends on the attentiveness setting). You can even swipe it as you remove it from your pocket so it is ready when you go to look at it and it will unlock.

If one wants to carry around a phone and never look at it but likes to just randomly unlock it while it is in their pocket, then I agree, Touch ID is the technology for them.

While I agree with your points, the one area that FaceID is a little annoying, at least for me, is not being able to just use my fingerprint to unlock and see the screen when the phone is on the desk and not at the right angle for FaceID to work. I then have to pick it up, which is not the end of the world, but it is a slight inconvenience. I love my iPhone X and wouldn't think of returning it, but there are some cases where TouchID is more convenient. But TouchID is toast and I will adjust.

 

[PPCmike]

The one thing FaceID cannot overcome yet with regards to speed, at least based on what we know so far about how it works, is that it depends on the user to recognize when it unlocks, and then to manually swipe up to unlock it. Those are milliseconds you cannot overcome no matter how fast the phone is: the human must do work on his end.

With TouchID, it does not require you to think or react. You just put your finger on the scanner, and it unlocks.

Now if FaceID implements an option to unlock without a swipe by just scanning your face, then it can be as fast as TouchID.

You Don't need to wait for the unlock icon I pull my phone out of my pocket by that time the screen is turned on I swipe up and it's unlocked far faster then touchID.. I have a feeling the way some people here are unlocking is what makes them think it's slower.

I would do a video but I'm sure it's been covered.

 

[burgman]

I would take that option any day over the "ears" or "notch".
If next years model is also the same thing as the current X then Im probably going with an 8 Plus😉

So in other word you are like many here who don’t own just post opinions over and over...Got it.

 

[Mabus51]

That's why I got the 8 Plus. I can stand the curved screen corners, but I sure hope Apple will have the technology to put FaceID behind the display before I need to upgrade again.

Would be a real feat in physics to put a camera and projector behind a screen. I think we are many years away from that.

 

[Applejuiced]

So in other word you are like many here who don’t own just post opinions over and over...Got it.

Yes, that's what this public forum is about. Posting views, input and opinions.
I know you dont like to hear it but guess what? We dont need to purchase it in order to have a discussion.
Nice try though insinuating that only those that bought one can participate in the discussion 😀

 

[flat five]

I used it in store. The notch just makes the screen look not right, specially during OS animations. Is it too much to ask for a rectangle screen? How times have changed

yes.. it's too much to ask.

look, more than 99% of phones have rectangle screens (way more).. if you want a rectangle screen-- it's so incredibly available that i can't comprehend your snarky "Is it too much to ask for a rectangle screen?"..

further-- the entire premise behind the X design is the rounded corners.. it's the foundation, or launching point, of the iPhone X design..
at the start of this new design, the rounded corners were the very first thing that were absolutely going to end up on the finished product.

so yes, considering the vast amount of rectangular displays available to you.. and considering the very aspect that begins to shape the X into the X is a non-rectilinear display.. it IS too much for you to ask that the display be a rectangle.

almost to the point of being a ridiculous request.. i mean, why are you focused on one out of only a handful of non-rectangular phone screens and wanting it to be square cornered?

if your requirement is to have a rectangular screen, why are you even worried about or paying attention to a phone with rounded corners?

 

[nexesnex]

Not trying to make a drawn out post.

Think of TouchID as if there was nothing to touch. Pretend like TouchID simply knows you when you pick up the phone.

That's it. You simply pick up the phone. This is a one step process.

Now FaceID. You have to pick up your phone, look at your phone, and swipe up. Three steps.

The reason why I ask you to forget that you are actually touching the TouchID button is because after a while of using the phone, the physical interaction of touching the button is integrated into the process of simply picking the phone up.

This is an analysis of physical interaction between the two technologies. One requires you to simply hold your phone while the other is a three step process which includes picking it up, physically placing it in front of your face, and then using your hand to gesture for unlock.

If we use the principle that any technology can improve by simplifying it's process, we can see that TouchID is actually the superior technology.

Strictly objective.

I personally am happy that the home button is gone. The iPhone X feels much more intuitive... That is, except for the stupid double press of the side button for purchases. They need to fix that.

 

[redpandadev]

Not trying to make a drawn out post.

Think of TouchID as if there was nothing to touch. Pretend like TouchID simply knows you when you pick up the phone.

That's it. You simply pick up the phone. This is a one step process.

Now FaceID. You have to pick up your phone, look at your phone, and swipe up. Three steps.

The reason why I ask you to forget that you are actually touching the TouchID button is because after a while of using the phone, the physical interaction of touching the button is integrated into the process of simply picking the phone up.

This is an analysis of physical interaction between the two technologies. One requires you to simply hold your phone while the other is a three step process which includes picking it up, physically placing it in front of your face, and then using your hand to gesture for unlock.

If we use the principle that any technology can improve by simplifying it's process, we can see that TouchID is actually the superior technology.

Strictly objective.

As an owner of an iPhone X, my experience is dramatically different. I find FaceID to be an absolute pleasure to use and require much less action than TouchID. I also find it to fail much less.

To unlock device:
Touch ID:
1) Pick up phone
2) Push home button
3)Half the time get frustrated because a) it failed to read my finger print or b) passed by the lock screen I wanted to look at

FaceID:
1) pick up phone
2) swipe up for home screen if desired
3) there is no 3 - it has worked for me every time

The pick up phone and look at phone step happens simultaneously and the swipe up also happens simultaneously if I want it to. There is no need to wait for FaceID to unlock before swiping.

Other gestures I just get used to. Password auto fill / app logins with face if just require me to be looking at the phone. Apple Pay and other purchases just require a double tap of side button.

It just works. Better faster and more natural than I could have ever imagined.

 

[eltoslightfoot]

As an owner of an iPhone X, my experience is dramatically different. I find FaceID to be an absolute pleasure to use and require much less action than TouchID. I also find it to fail much less.

To unlock device:
Touch ID:
1) Pick up phone
2) Push home button
3)Half the time get frustrated because a) it failed to read my finger print or b) passed by the lock screen I wanted to look at

FaceID:
1) pick up phone
2) swipe up for home screen if desired
3) there is no 3 - it has worked for me every time

The pick up phone and look at phone step happens simultaneously and the swipe up also happens simultaneously if I want it to. There is no need to wait for FaceID to unlock before swiping.

Other gestures I just get used to. Password auto fill / app logins with face if just require me to be looking at the phone. Apple Pay and other purchases just require a double tap of side button.

It just works. Better faster and more natural than I could have ever imagined.

Same here.

 

[DanielDD]

almost to the point of being a ridiculous request.. i mean, why are you focused on one out of only a handful of non-rectangular phone screens and wanting it to be square cornered?

if your requirement is to have a rectangular screen, why are you even worried about or paying attention to a phone with rounded corners?

I'm worried because I like the Apple ecosystem and in a couple of years Apple will sell no phones with a rectangular screen. Forgive me for thinking ahead

 

[flat five]

I'm worried because I like the Apple ecosystem and in a couple of years Apple will sell no phones with a rectangular screen. Forgive me for thinking ahead

thing is this..
unless the device is also rectangular, using a display that is the same shape as the frame will always yield the largest screen which can then be cropped/letter-boxed to a rectangle if you choose or if the software allows..

going the other way won't work.. you can't extend content out into the rounded corners of the device if there is no screen there to extend into.

rounding the corners of the display on a device with a rounded perimeter allows the maximum amount of potential content area.

unless, of course, you'd prefer a phone with pointy corners in which case, a rectangular screen would be the way to maximize the display area.

 

[Applejuiced]

thing is this..
unless the device is also rectangular, using a display that is the same shape as the frame will always yield the largest screen which can then be cropped/letter-boxed to a rectangle if you choose or if the software allows..

going the other way won't work.. you can't extend content out into the rounded corners of the device if there is no screen there to extend into.

rounding the corners of the display on a device with a rounded perimeter allows the maximum amount of potential content area.

unless, of course, you'd prefer a phone with pointy corners in which case, a rectangular screen would be the way to maximize the display area.

Yes, but you never know.
They might put out a revolutionary triangle screen phone because that rectangle stuff is starting to get boring 😀

 

[flat five]

Yes, but you never know.
They might put out a revolutionary triangle screen phone because that rectangle stuff is starting to get boring 😀

why?
a triangle doesn’t handhold well nor go in the pocket well.

neither does a true rectangle (90° corners)... i mean, look at credit cards for example.. they have round corners now as well.. they’re more functional/ user friendly that way

 

[Applejuiced]

why?
a triangle doesn’t handhold well nor go in the pocket well.

neither does a true rectangle (90° corners)... i mean, look at credit cards for example.. they have round corners now as well.. they’re more functional/ user friendly that way

You never know till you actually use it and you shouldnt judge it unless you buy one 😀
It could be magical 😀

 

[DanielDD]

thing is this..
unless the device is also rectangular, using a display that is the same shape as the frame will always yield the largest screen which can then be cropped/letter-boxed to a rectangle if you choose or if the software allows..

going the other way won't work.. you can't extend content out into the rounded corners of the device if there is no screen there to extend into.

rounding the corners of the display on a device with a rounded perimeter allows the maximum amount of potential content area.

unless, of course, you'd prefer a phone with pointy corners in which case, a rectangular screen would be the way to maximize the display area.

I said I could get past the rounded corners, but not the notch. The notch made stay away from this phone.
Either way, your post assumes people value maximisation of display area over anything else. And that is not true. People can value a freaking normal screen more than a completely bezel-less phone. In fact, some people even consider phones with high screen-to-body ratio weirdly designed.

 

[Newjackboy]

I think another reason Apple manufactured the 8 and 8 plus. Obviously the iPhone X is the future. But for those who want/need a new iPhone and are not ready to adapt to something new..there’s the 8.

You could even buy the 8 next year and be happy for another year or so. But eventually you will own a button less smart phone with face recognition at some point. Or you won’t own a smart phone at all.

No the only reason they made the 8 - was to be able to charge much much more for the X
No reason this could not have been the exact same price the 7 plus was last year

 

[Applejuiced]

I said I could get past the rounded corners, but not the notch. The notch made stay away from this phone.
Either way, you post assumes people value maximisation of display area over anything else. And that is not true. People can value a freaking normal screen more than a completely bezel-less phone. In fact, some people even consider phones with high screen-to-body ratio weirdly designed.

Exactly.
Personally I dont care if the bezels are there and I like the rounded corners.
It doesnt bother me at all if the screen is slightly smaller or the device slightly taller to accommodate the hardware needed up there.
As long as the viewable/touchscreen area is even across.

 

[yanksfan114]

Not trying to make a drawn out post.

Think of TouchID as if there was nothing to touch. Pretend like TouchID simply knows you when you pick up the phone.

That's it. You simply pick up the phone. This is a one step process.

Now FaceID. You have to pick up your phone, look at your phone, and swipe up. Three steps.

The reason why I ask you to forget that you are actually touching the TouchID button is because after a while of using the phone, the physical interaction of touching the button is integrated into the process of simply picking the phone up.

This is an analysis of physical interaction between the two technologies. One requires you to simply hold your phone while the other is a three step process which includes picking it up, physically placing it in front of your face, and then using your hand to gesture for unlock.

If we use the principle that any technology can improve by simplifying it's process, we can see that TouchID is actually the superior technology.

Strictly objective.

How does placing your finger on the sensor and pressing the home button not count as steps? You’re skewing what a step is to make your point.

 

[MEJHarrison]

Yes, that's what this public forum is about. Posting views, input and opinions.
I know you dont like to hear it but guess what? We dont need to purchase it in order to have a discussion.
Nice try though insinuating that only those that bought one can participate in the discussion 😀

The frustration isn't that you're discussing a device you don't have. The frustration is seeing you spew the same, worn-out, tired, debunked crap as if it's fact over and over and over and over and over. You don't know what you're talking about, yet you keep spreading misinformation as fact. Clearly you either have some heavy duty reading comprehension issues or are deliberately trying to stir the pot. My money is squarely on the second option.

 

[inkahauts]

That's false.
Touch ID works upside down and by hitting the sides of your finger since it takes all that into memory for later comparison and unlock.
On my i7 the home indentation is there on the bottom so I dont need to figgle much to find where to place my finger 😉

I’m not talking about orientation, I am talking about getting your finger on it enough for it to get a good reading. If your finger isn’t covering the sensor enough you have to readjust and it takes longer.

 

[Applejuiced]

The frustration isn't that you're discussing a device you don't have. The frustration is seeing you spew the same, worn-out, tired, debunked crap as if it's fact over and over and over and over and over. You don't know what you're talking about, yet you keep spreading misinformation as fact. Clearly you either have some heavy duty reading comprehension issues or are deliberately trying to stir the pot. My money is squarely on the second option.

I know what Im talking about and I know what I like and I do not like.
There's nothing debunked when it comes to personal choice and preference and that's a fact.
You're just self conscious that people do not agree with your view on how great your new iphone X is and need further validation for your $1000+ purchase.
Have a great day 😀

 

[inkahauts]

It's a Pro Clip car mount, USB cable is always connected to the USB port. The lighting section of the cable is permanently attached to the bottom of the holder. Right now I'm using the holder from my 7 Plus. I'm waiting for the X holder to be available.
https://www.proclipusa.com/product/top-adjustable-iphone-holder-for-lightning-to-usb-cable

Yeah, my only suggestion is to unlock it then place it in the holder. Please let us know how it goes, I’m curious myself.