Why FaceID is OBJECTIVELY a regressive technology

[mib1800]

That looks like fake news bro 😀

Why is it not real?
Seems plausible to me. Face id uses a camera, illuminator and sensor. Touch id is just one sensor. Just to power up the camera takes many times more energy.

 

[Applejuiced]

Why is it not real?
Seems plausible to me. Face id uses a camera, illuminator and sensor. Touch id is just one sensor. Just to power up the camera takes many times more energy.

True, that makes sense.
Obviously the whole process will be more battery intensive than touch ID.
But not sure it would kill the battery noticeably any more than normal. We'll have to wait and see I guess.
Depending on how many times you use the face ID per day for unlocking purposes.

 

[mib1800]

A Google translation of a random Russian website does not a strong source make.

Eldar of mobile-review has been doing in-depth/investigative review of mobile phones since symbian days and long before the first iPhone came into existence. What he said may not be palatable to you but the details given in his review are always a good read.

 

[lordofthereef]

Can’t the same thing be said about faceid? I assume you’re going with “all surfaces scan your fingerprint” logic. Why can’t figure version of the cameras be constantly viewing your face and knowing when you are looking at the phone, wanting to unlock?

Let’s say my phone is on the desk. I get a notification that is websites from all prying eyes. If I look at the phone myself the notification is legible but only while I’m looking at it. I look away and the phone goes black.

This is an obvious theoretical, much like the idea of the phone knowing you are you as soon as you touch it anywhere.

I’m also reading battery concerns. In my example of the desk you set your phone on a wireless charger and you’re golden. Hell, we may even have longer distance wireless charging by then.
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I don't understand how people are categorizing "look at your phone" as an extra step. You have to look at the phone anyway to use it...

Not if I’m blind!

 

[inkahauts]

Not trying to make a drawn out post.

Think of TouchID as if there was nothing to touch. Pretend like TouchID simply knows you when you pick up the phone.

That's it. You simply pick up the phone. This is a one step process.

Now FaceID. You have to pick up your phone, look at your phone, and swipe up. Three steps.

The reason why I ask you to forget that you are actually touching the TouchID button is because after a while of using the phone, the physical interaction of touching the button is integrated into the process of simply picking the phone up.

This is an analysis of physical interaction between the two technologies. One requires you to simply hold your phone while the other is a three step process which includes picking it up, physically placing it in front of your face, and then using your hand to gesture for unlock.

If we use the principle that any technology can improve by simplifying it's process, we can see that TouchID is actually the superior technology.

Strictly objective.

You are simply wrong, objectively.

I have to physically not only touch my phone but I have to touch it in a certain way to get Touch ID to work. And then I have to hope it works... and more importantly, you clearly aren’t even contemplating about when you are using Touch ID to access a password inside an actual app. Face ID is so much faster and easier than Touch ID ever was for that, it’s ridiculous.

Don’t get me wrong, I am surprised how much of a difference it made for me, and how I already can’t understand why Touch ID was worth my time by comparison. And if you ever get to use Face ID on your own phone, you will feel the same.

And you can’t think of Touch as something you don’t have to touch. Right there you lose the ability to call your argument objective, because you are saying you need to ignore what you have to actually do to use it.

By the way, when was the last time you wanted to use your phone, and used Touch ID to unlock it, but didn’t want to actually look at your phone or have it face you? Seriously, I want to know when and why because I can’t think of one time I ever have. If I’m unlocking my phone I’m looking at the dang thing because I want something from it in the first place!

 

[LIVEFRMNYC]

I have a strong feeling Touch ID will come back to the iPhone when they figure out putting it under the display. And especially since it seems Samsung is dedicated to doing the same.

 

[Hoosier317]

I have a strong feeling Touch ID will come back to the iPhone when they figure out putting it under the display. And especially since it seems Samsung is dedicated to doing the same.

No. In interviews, they have already said that the future for iOS devices involves Face ID and not Touch ID.

 

[inkahauts]

Not better or worse. Just different.

That’s kind of what I figured till I started using it. The big difference is unlocking apps... yikes is it far superior to use Face ID.

 

[inkahauts]

I have a strong feeling Touch ID will come back to the iPhone when they figure out putting it under the display. And especially since it seems Samsung is dedicated to doing the same.

Unless you can come up with a good reason to it won’t. And I haven’t seen one good reason to yet, after using Face ID for a few days...

 

[JPIndustrie]

lol

completely missing the point

Face ID isn't just about biometrics. It's about AI.

Think higher level. Apple is establishing the Face ID brand, as a feature of the phone knowing exacting how you look like - and continuously learning/refining that match in a closed/protected environment that can not be easily hacked or duplicated...

Doesn't matter what really underlying tech they use, this is a phone of the future. It is similar to animals recognizing family members through distinct facial features.

 

[LIVEFRMNYC]

Unless you can come up with a good reason to it won’t. And I haven’t seen one good reason to yet, after using Face ID for a few days...

Not everyone will feel the same as you. And it's not like Apple hasn't been working on it already. Apple actually wanted to keep Touch ID.

 

[Applejuiced]

No, you are clearly wrong objectively speaking....
With touch ID you get in way faster without sliding up or having to hold the phone at a certain angle or at a certain distance from your face.
Im not into taking 100 duckface selfies a day to get into my phone, maybe it would be a great practice for teenage girls though 😀

You are simply wrong, objectively.

I have to physically not only touch my phone but I have to touch it in a certain way to get Touch ID to work. And then I have to hope it works... and more importantly, you clearly aren’t even contemplating about when you are using Touch ID to access a password inside an actual app. Face ID is so much faster and easier than Touch ID ever was for that, it’s ridiculous.

Don’t get me wrong, I am surprised how much of a difference it made for me, and how I already can’t understand why Touch ID was worth my time by comparison. And if you ever get to use Face ID on your own phone, you will feel the same.

And you can’t think of Touch as something you don’t have to touch. Right there you lose the ability to call your argument objective, because you are saying you need to ignore what you have to actually do to use it.

By the way, when was the last time you wanted to use your phone, and used Touch ID to unlock it, but didn’t want to actually look at your phone or have it face you? Seriously, I want to know when and why because I can’t think of one time I ever have. If I’m unlocking my phone I’m looking at the dang thing because I want something from it in the first place!

 

[calderone]

Not everyone will feel the same as you. And it's not like Apple hasn't been working on it already. Apple actually wanted to keep Touch ID.

Not quite. Everything points to them moving toward FaceID but feeling it wasn't quite ready. Once they determined it was ready, alternative TouchID locations were dropped. This is straight from Apple.

TouchID under the screen was just a stop gap until FaceID was done.

 

[inkahauts]

Not everyone will feel the same as you. And it's not like Apple hasn't been working on it already. Apple actually wanted to keep Touch ID.

I’ve never seen proof their long range goal wasn’t Face ID. I think the under the screen Touch ID was in case they couldn’t make Face ID work soon enough.

And it seems to me the people complaing about Face ID taking longer etc are the ones not using it. If you where using it, you’d see that is and simple.

And all the people who are using Touch ID but didn’t want to at first, you are making the same exact arguments as when it came out... and I guess people changed their mind then, so I expect them to on this in time as well, once they actually use it.

 

[inkahauts]

No, you are clearly wrong objectively speaking....
With touch ID you get in way faster without sliding up or having to hold the phone at a certain angle or at a certain distance from your face.
Im not into taking 100 duckface selfies a day to get into my phone, maybe it would be a great practice for teenage girls though 😀

I have not altered how close I hold my phone to my face or the angle, or anything else of that nature to get Face ID to work. In fact I can pick it up more naturally now instead of having to fiddle with making sure my thumb is in the right spot!. So that’s out the window. The slide up is no different than what I had before, I want to see notifications first. I expect at some point that may change as well, with a toggle anyway. As others have said, you can just swipe up as it unlocks which takes just as much effort as putting the your finger in the Touch ID sensor so that is not a good argument either.

And do you use last pass? Apple Pay? Or any kind of password keeper? How about banking apps? Hotel apps? Any kind of app that allows you to log in with your Touch ID? All are much faster with Face ID than Touch ID. My last pass is instant, where as before it had to think for a moment. It’s not even close.

To try and complain about Face ID in one instance only when it is the same speed and forget all the other ways it’s down right faster and easier is missing the bigger picture.

 

[macTW]

Not trying to make a drawn out post.

Think of TouchID as if there was nothing to touch. Pretend like TouchID simply knows you when you pick up the phone.

That's it. You simply pick up the phone. This is a one step process.

Now FaceID. You have to pick up your phone, look at your phone, and swipe up. Three steps.

The reason why I ask you to forget that you are actually touching the TouchID button is because after a while of using the phone, the physical interaction of touching the button is integrated into the process of simply picking the phone up.

This is an analysis of physical interaction between the two technologies. One requires you to simply hold your phone while the other is a three step process which includes picking it up, physically placing it in front of your face, and then using your hand to gesture for unlock.

If we use the principle that any technology can improve by simplifying it's process, we can see that TouchID is actually the superior technology.

Strictly objective.

Objectively, it depends.

Use to open the phone? Similar speeds.

Use to check notifications? Face ID is confirmed quicker.

 

[brianric]

In many ways that may be true, but it also adds functionality that wasn’t possible with Touch ID. While it’s still in its infancy when developers get ahold of it and unlock all the potential they can dream up its the game changer we all know it can be.

Also this paved the way for a port free and button free IPhone trust me it’s coming in a few years when they get wireless charging fast enough the ports are a goner

That will be the day I say goodbye to Apple. Damn iPhone can't make or accept a hands free call in my Car Play equipped car without connecting to the USB port.

 

[Applejuiced]

I have not altered how close I hold my phone to my face or the angle, or anything else of that nature to get Face ID to work. In fact I can pick it up more naturally now instead of having to fiddle with making sure my thumb is in the right spot!. So that’s out the window. The slide up is no different than what I had before, I want to see notifications first. I expect at some point that may change as well, with a toggle anyway. As others have said, you can just swipe up as it unlocks which takes just as much effort as putting the your finger in the Touch ID sensor so that is not a good argument either.

And do you use last pass? Apple Pay? Or any kind of password keeper? How about banking apps? Hotel apps? Any kind of app that allows you to log in with your Touch ID? All are much faster with Face ID than Touch ID. My last pass is instant, where as before it had to think for a moment. It’s not even close.

To try and complain about Face ID in one instance only when it is the same speed and forget all the other ways it’s down right faster and easier is missing the bigger picture.

You dont even have to look where to put your thumb because the indentation is there for you on the bottom of the phone and it reads your print entered on all orientations 😀 Unlike FaceID.
Many people having issues with FaceID not working as it should and have to hold it at certain distance and angle, never had to deal with any of that with TouchID.
This seems like a steps backwards to me.

 

[brianric]

You are simply wrong, objectively.

I have to physically not only touch my phone but I have to touch it in a certain way to get Touch ID to work. And then I have to hope it works... and more importantly, you clearly aren’t even contemplating about when you are using Touch ID to access a password inside an actual app. Face ID is so much faster and easier than Touch ID ever was for that, it’s ridiculous.

Don’t get me wrong, I am surprised how much of a difference it made for me, and how I already can’t understand why Touch ID was worth my time by comparison. And if you ever get to use Face ID on your own phone, you will feel the same.

And you can’t think of Touch as something you don’t have to touch. Right there you lose the ability to call your argument objective, because you are saying you need to ignore what you have to actually do to use it.

By the way, when was the last time you wanted to use your phone, and used Touch ID to unlock it, but didn’t want to actually look at your phone or have it face you? Seriously, I want to know when and why because I can’t think of one time I ever have. If I’m unlocking my phone I’m looking at the dang thing because I want something from it in the first place!

When I'm plugged into the USB port of my car and in order to use Car Play the phone initially has to be unlocked, which is a royal pain with Face ID, as I have the phone connected to a Pro Clip holder.

 

[DNichter]

Face ID has been working great for me. It's honestly something that I don't even think about, just swipe and I am good. I love the attention aware features also. Huge improvement over Touch ID already and it should only get better.

 

[mkschenk]

I totally agree! Touch ID almost never worked for me. I found this video as how these guys couldn’t seem to make Face ID not work. Apple did a great job!

 

[Leica Dad]

Not trying to make a drawn out post.

Think of TouchID as if there was nothing to touch. Pretend like TouchID simply knows you when you pick up the phone.

That's it. You simply pick up the phone. This is a one step process.

Now FaceID. You have to pick up your phone, look at your phone, and swipe up. Three steps.

The reason why I ask you to forget that you are actually touching the TouchID button is because after a while of using the phone, the physical interaction of touching the button is integrated into the process of simply picking the phone up.

This is an analysis of physical interaction between the two technologies. One requires you to simply hold your phone while the other is a three step process which includes picking it up, physically placing it in front of your face, and then using your hand to gesture for unlock.

If we use the principle that any technology can improve by simplifying it's process, we can see that TouchID is actually the superior technology.

Strictly objective.

TouchID is superior in terms of faster(for now) and requires less steps to unlocked your phone. I love the Touch ID, but I think if this move is really from a security stand point, then might be pointless to included both, since we most likely will pick the one thats faster or more familiar.
At first I made a big deal about not having Touch ID, and thought it was just a compromise because they can’t get it ready embedded under th screen (since they just put it on the new MBP). As we get more and more attached to our phone, all our essential information is on it. It make sense for Apple to take it to the level. As for it not being convenient and fast enough, since when does Apple care about that, as long as they believe it’s he right thing to do.
I on one hand feel like us early adaptors are like Apple’s QA/Stage testers, on the other hand I understand they need to push it to the public in order to gather data to improve further.

 

[Danzobee]

something which many people don't do when trying to be discrete.

Everyone’s use case is different but for me, this is important. Well said.

 

[inkahauts]

When I'm plugged into the USB port of my car and in order to use Car Play the phone initially has to be unlocked, which is a royal pain with Face ID, as I have the phone connected to a Pro Clip holder.

Maybe unlock it while you are plugging your usb cable in and then place it in its holder? Since y u are probably looking at it while you are plugging it in anyway?

 

[inkahauts]

You dont even have to look where to put your thumb because the indentation is there for you on the bottom of the phone and it reads your print entered on all orientations 😀 Unlike FaceID.
Many people having issues with FaceID not working as it should and have to hold it at certain distance and angle, never had to deal with any of that with TouchID.
This seems like a steps backwards to me.

You have to find the right spot for Touch ID to work. If your finger isn’t on it enough, it does not read it and you have to adjust your finger placement. Angle may not matter but it doesn’t matter unless it’s extreme with Face ID either.

The people having issues with angles need to redo their face and swing their head in big circles so it will catch them from more angles. I noticed that myself when I redid my Face ID. Easy one time user fix.