Why so excited for the iPhone X ? It's the same old thing running boring iOS

[eyoungren]

No reason to jailbreak for these things. Jailbreaking is dead anyhow, it's for children.

Just because you have no reason to jailbreak does not mean others do not have reasons.

And while jailbreaking has been seriously curtailed due to the last few jailbreaks being only semi-untethered and the problems inherent with that - it's not dead yet.

All you need for proof of that is a visit here: http://reddit.com/r/jailbreak

Lastly, just because a lot of people use jailbreaking to theme things and do other things you may consider dumb or wierd does not mean it's exclusively for children or that only people you think are children jailbreak.

I will be 47 on September 19. I'm married (20 years in November) with two kids and a full time job. I've been jailbreaking since iOS 5 and I have two iPhones and an iPad that are currently jailbroken.

I don't do this because I want to play around with themes all day. I do it because I want to make my device the way I want it to be and not how Apple thinks I should have it.

 

[nviz22]

There are going to be a ton of changes to how this phone works as it is mostly gesture based. It will be very advanced compared to the competition, which it was already way ahead of in regard to performance, security, and ecosystem. Just because you can't have multi colored weather widgets and robot themed app launchers doesn't make it boring. It's just an OS that is better suited for use instead of tinkering. Not sure why you even bothered to post.
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All seems very minor. I'd like a dark mode, but that's it. No reason to jailbreak for these things. Jailbreaking is dead anyhow, it's for children.

Or it will be archaic enough and disappointing enough because there are two other phones being released with the same recycled design generation after generation. The iPhone 8+ will be a complete lame duck phone because it is just an iPhone 7+ with a faster processor, better camera, wireless charging, and nothing else. That phone is not going to be advanced of the competition. We might be overstating the iPhone X here as well because there is no true head and shoulders definitive phone that is the best on the market. Everything has compromises.

iOS compromises with features like split-screen multi-tasking and big screened phone features on the + models. It desperately needed a UI overhaul because iOS 7 is so old. iTunes is annoying as hell and is not going anywhere sadly. Plus, I doubt Apple can make an AOD like Motorola's. Samsung Pay is better than Apple Pay. LG and HTC will have better audio quality with their latest flagships in all likelihood. Gesture based performance? Pulling up the app drawer on the S8 requires a swipe on the screen, so there is your gesture there. Another is using the FP sensor to pull up the notification shade and the Android quick commands. iPhones and iOS are pay to play because you gotta buy proprietary BS to get the full experience. Want the best possible bluetooth audio experience on the 7 or 7+? Gotta buy AirPods or W1 Chips in Beats products. Want to use different headphones, buy an adapter if you lost the one that came with the phone. Wait till wireless charging haha. That charger isn't up to snuff and will cost a ton. Look at the HomePod as well? Apple couldn't even at least make an Echo Dot competitor?

 

[pandi.ruvina]

I'm just going to address this because the Apple ecosystem is something that is routinely pulled out as the one trump card that will cause all non-Apple arguments to fail.

My question is…what if you don't use the Apple ecosystem?

Tell me. How do I get the Apple ecosystem to work with a 2003 17" PowerBook G4 and three PowerMac G5s, all running OS X Leopard 10.5.8?

Easy right? Just buy a new Mac running the latest version of OS X.

Only…I don't want to. My Macs work and do everything I need them to do. So, what do I do?

I use third party services. Dropbox, Google, workarounds (such as jailbreaking), etc. Apple allows that, which is great.

But that also begs a question. If I'm using third party services to achieve what the Apple ecosystem brings to the user then what advantage is the Apple ecosystem?

I see no advantage.

I like using Apple devices and jailbreaking makes things the way I want them to be. I have my issues with the UI design of iOS, but that's a different argument. But Apple's ecosystem is NOT what brought me to Apple.

I can't even use it.

I remember once, in another thread that you said that if Apple doesn't change the design you will probably are not going to stay with Apple Ecosystem anymore (that makes the two of us because the same design for three years it's unacceptable! How about your other device (as far as I remember is an Huawei P10+)?

Will you be switching this year if Apple fails to impress you? Just being curious, your comments and helps offered in many threads are respected opinions over the forum!

 

[eyoungren]

I remember once, in another thread that you said that if Apple doesn't change the design you will probably are not going to stay with Apple Ecosystem anymore (that makes the two of us because the same design for three years it's unacceptable! How about your other device (as far as I remember is an Huawei P10+)?

Will you be switching this year if Apple fails to impress you? Just being curious, your comments and helps offered in many threads are respected opinions over the forum!

Yes, I will be switching if the new iPhone is not what I expect.

We are due to upgrade in early 2018 so my 6s+ will still be my primary phone until then.

It will most likely get passed to my son (if he wants it).

I plan to get a new iPad though and I still have Macs and an iPhone 5 and 4s. So, won't be leaving this forum.

 

[nviz22]

I remember once, in another thread that you said that if Apple doesn't change the design you will probably are not going to stay with Apple Ecosystem anymore (that makes the two of us because the same design for three years it's unacceptable! How about your other device (as far as I remember is an Huawei P10+)?

Will you be switching this year if Apple fails to impress you? Just being curious, your comments and helps offered in many threads are respected opinions over the forum!

I can see Tig Bitties going with the Google Pixel 2 or XL 2. Pure Android and rooting will make their phone go a long way. Google already made the best camera in 2016, so maybe the pull off a superb dual camera if the leaked devices are false. I suggest a Note 8 if you can get it on a sale down the road since it is the most productivity feature laden phone around. Plus, it offers the best hardware and makes iOS seem antiquated.

 

[DNichter]

Just because you have no reason to jailbreak does not mean others do not have reasons.

And while jailbreaking has been seriously curtailed due to the last few jailbreaks being only semi-untethered and the problems inherent with that - it's not dead yet.

All you need for proof of that is a visit here: http://reddit.com/r/jailbreak

Lastly, just because a lot of people use jailbreaking to theme things and do other things you may consider dumb or wierd does not mean it's exclusively for children or that only people you think are children jailbreak.

I will be 47 on September 19. I'm married (20 years in November) with two kids and a full time job. I've been jailbreaking since iOS 5 and I have two iPhones and an iPad that are currently jailbroken.

I don't do this because I want to play around with themes all day. I do it because I want to make my device the way I want it to be and not how Apple thinks I should have it.

Fair enough, my comment was harsh and you seem to be pretty level headed in your response. I use to jailbreak, but have just decided it wasn't worth it overall as I saw more issues than it was worth. I guess I just don't see the need to customize as much as some.
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Or it will be archaic enough and disappointing enough because there are two other phones being released with the same recycled design generation after generation. The iPhone 8+ will be a complete lame duck phone because it is just an iPhone 7+ with a faster processor, better camera, wireless charging, and nothing else. That phone is not going to be advanced of the competition. We might be overstating the iPhone X here as well because there is no true head and shoulders definitive phone that is the best on the market. Everything has compromises.

iOS compromises with features like split-screen multi-tasking and big screened phone features on the + models. It desperately needed a UI overhaul because iOS 7 is so old. iTunes is annoying as hell and is not going anywhere sadly. Plus, I doubt Apple can make an AOD like Motorola's. Samsung Pay is better than Apple Pay. LG and HTC will have better audio quality with their latest flagships in all likelihood. Gesture based performance? Pulling up the app drawer on the S8 requires a swipe on the screen, so there is your gesture there. Another is using the FP sensor to pull up the notification shade and the Android quick commands. iPhones and iOS are pay to play because you gotta buy proprietary BS to get the full experience. Want the best possible bluetooth audio experience on the 7 or 7+? Gotta buy AirPods or W1 Chips in Beats products. Want to use different headphones, buy an adapter if you lost the one that came with the phone. Wait till wireless charging haha. That charger isn't up to snuff and will cost a ton. Look at the HomePod as well? Apple couldn't even at least make an Echo Dot competitor?

I guess you're happy with your current set up then. I prefer iOS and look forward to the new iPhone.

 

[pandi.ruvina]

Yes, I will be switching if the new iPhone is not what I expect.

We are due to upgrade in early 2018 so my 6s+ will still be my primary phone until then.

It will most likely get passed to my son (if he wants it).

I plan to get a new iPad though and I still have Macs and an iPhone 5 and 4s. So, won't be leaving this forum.

I plan to get a new iPad though and I still have Macs and an iPhone 5 and 4s. So, won't be leaving this forum!!
Well this was at least a relief! You are still needed here so... ;-)

 

[Azzin]

Basically. If it weren't for iMessage, I'd probably definitely be getting one of the new Pixels. Otherwise, I'm not sure yet.

Probably or definitely?

 

[eyoungren]

Fair enough, my comment was harsh and you seem to be pretty level headed in your response. I use to jailbreak, but have just decided it wasn't worth it overall as I saw more issues than it was worth. I guess I just don't see the need to customize as much as some.

Jailbreaking has real problems right now. I will not and do not deny that.

These semi-untethered jailbreaks and the BS problems they cause have just about killed the community, although it isn't as I argued dead yet. I am fortunate that the jailbreak I am on is the one for 9.0.2, which is fully untethered.

Some people still have a use for it and some don't. If you don't that's cool. I get it. Quite frankly, a lot has been lost since iOS 6 as developers quit or moved on.

Myself, I don't theme. But I do have a few tweaks that I install that make my UI as I wish. I worked out how I wanted it to look in iOS 6 and I've stuck with that at every jailbreak release. Once it's all set up the way I like I leave it alone (generally) and just use my phone.

 

[Mr_Brightside_@]

Years ago, my friend purchased a silver iMac. This would've been around 2007, right after the alum models were released. Years later, in early 2012, I recall having a conversation with her about how (a number of) newer models had been released since she purchased hers. She claimed this was impossible since 'they all look the same'.

This is why a new design is so exciting for most.

 

[Azzin]

YMMV, but my experience leaving behind iMessage looked something like this:

I got my Android device, set it up. I sent a text to my friend...

And then I moved on with my life.

A text message is a text message. Whether delivered through Apple's servers via LTE, or whether delivered through your carrier's SMS technology, your text message will reach your recipient's phone nonetheless.

My intent isn't to sound smug, rather, to inform anyone that is on the fence.

Sending using a standard "green bubble" message means that your message is unencrypted.

Messages sent using iMessage (blue bubble ones) are encrypted.

Fair enough if that's not important to you, but it is to many.

 

[DNichter]

Jailbreaking has real problems right now. I will not and do not deny that.

These semi-untethered jailbreaks and the BS problems they cause have just about killed the community, although it isn't as I argued dead yet.

Some people still have a use for it and some don't. If you don't that's cool. I get it. Quite frankly, a lot has been lost since iOS 6 as developers quit or moved on.

Myself, I don't theme. But I do have a few tweaks that I install that make my UI as I wish. I worked out how I wanted it to look in iOS 6 and I've stuck with that at every jailbreak release. Once it's all set up the way I like I leave it alone (generally) and just use my phone.

Yea it all seems a little more complicated on my end and I have leaned towards being on the latest OS most of the time. I definitely liked it for a few nice tweaks in the past, but since Apple pretty much started poaching ideas, I felt it just wasn't worth the time any longer. I am not sure how many people want to dedicate the resources any longer.

 

[Hermes Monster]

Yeah even with a backlight/LED, Eclipse (jailbroken dark theme tweak for iOS) has been one of my favorites since iOS 7

If there was a dark mode on iOS 6 and below, I never used it. Skeuomorphism had enough going on.

But by iOS 7, so. Much. White. Space.

If jailbreak community beats Apple to the punch, with a dark theme, on iPhone X (i.e. they either don’t incorporate one ever, or drag their feet on when they release one if its in the pipeline which I’m dubious of now) it will be outright embarrassing imo.

And a show stopper for jailbreakers.

Check out the "invert colours" setting in iOS 11 accessibility settings (there's a good YouTube video of it). It's pretty much dark mode, but unlike on iOS 10 it doesn't change the colour of the app icons etc.

 

[nviz22]

Fair enough, my comment was harsh and you seem to be pretty level headed in your response. I use to jailbreak, but have just decided it wasn't worth it overall as I saw more issues than it was worth. I guess I just don't see the need to customize as much as some.
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I guess you're happy with your current set up then. I prefer iOS and look forward to the new iPhone.

Nope, the 7+ in a nutshell: laggy, bulky, ergonomically clunky, offers ugly bezels, lacks in bleeding edge features, and will be further behind than the iPhone X.

I want the iPhone X, but the more I read into it, it seems like it may not be the phone I thought I would get because I see nothing in terms of quick charging, enhanced split-screen multi-tasking, etc. But at the same time, us iOS users should demand more of Apple because it shouldn't take a $1000 2017 phone to have features that should be standard: wireless charging, quick charging, AOD, etc.

 

[thadoggfather]

Check out the "invert colours" setting in iOS 11 accessibility settings (there's a good YouTube video of it). It's pretty much dark mode, but unlike on iOS 10 it doesn't change the colour of the app icons etc.

Not the same

Inverting the natural way websites look, etc and inverting EVERYTHING not just UI elements is no substitute at all IMO

 

[DNichter]

Nope, the 7+ in a nutshell: laggy, bulky, ergonomically clunky, offers ugly bezels, lacks in bleeding edge features, and will be further behind than the iPhone X.

I want the iPhone X, but the more I read into it, it seems like it may not be the phone I thought I would get because I see nothing in terms of quick charging, enhanced split-screen multi-tasking, etc. But at the same time, us iOS users should demand more of Apple because it shouldn't take a $1000 2017 phone to have features that should be standard: wireless charging, quick charging, AOD, etc.

I don't know, I have been really happy with my 7 plus and haven't regretted the purchase at all. I don't find it laggy or clunky. It is the best of what iOS has to offer. If you are just bored with iOS, then there are other platforms out there. I just value different things in my phone platform than most I suppose. It sounds like you just want an Android phone, why haven't you just gone that route already?

 

[Cryates]

When people so adamantly try and convince someone an OS is bad, at a certain point it sounds like they are trying to convince themselves just as much.

 

[nviz22]

I don't know, I have been really happy with my 7 plus and haven't regretted the purchase at all. I don't find it laggy or clunky. It is the best of what iOS has to offer. If you are just bored with iOS, then there are other platforms out there. I just value different things in my phone platform than most I suppose. It sounds like you just want an Android phone, why haven't you just gone that route already?

Because I expect Apple to include those things in its iPhone. Those features shouldn't be exclusive to android devices. Ok, if they want to keep crappy lightning, then at least make our phones charge faster. LG put AOD on its LCD paneled devices with the G5 and G6. The iPad offering split-screen multi-tasking is great, so why can't we do that on our iPhone 7+'s devices? It has 3GB RAM, which is above the min for that. I am thinking we all should hold Apple more accountable in general because the pay to play scheme is getting too cost prohibitive and it is not justifiable for us to spend exorbitant $ on devices to have the best possible experience.

 

[Hermes Monster]

Not the same

Inverting the natural way websites look, etc and inverting EVERYTHING not just UI elements is no substitute at all IMO

I didn't say it was the same thing? Also, I said it doesn't invert everything ... what I'm (badly) getting at, is that maybe a dark mode is coming and this is the first step

 

[DNichter]

Because I expect Apple to include those things in its iPhone. Those features shouldn't be exclusive to android devices. Ok, if they want to keep crappy lightning, then at least make our phones charge faster. LG put AOD on its LCD paneled devices with the G5 and G6. The iPad offering split-screen multi-tasking is great, so why can't we do that on our iPhone 7+'s devices? It has 3GB RAM, which is above the min for that. I am thinking we all should hold Apple more accountable in general because the pay to play scheme is getting too cost prohibitive and it is not justifiable for us to spend exorbitant $ on devices to have the best possible experience.

I mean, I don't necessarily disagree with you, but it just comes down to Apple doesn't work like that. I am not always going to get flashy features as soon as they become technically possible. Apple will wait until it's a little more mature before implementing so there isn't any negative drain on performance. Either way, you have a choice on what you invest your money in. The few things that I would like to see added to my iPhone at this point are being added with the iPhone X and I happy with the platform moving forward. Performance, security, ecosystem, and support are far more important to me than fast charging and split screen multitasking on a phone, for example.

 

[phillytim]

I'd take iOS over any other phone OS any day.

There is no need whatsoever for a complete refresh of the UI, other than for the sake of it.

'7' was only 4 years ago, and has tons of advanced features that iOS 1-6 could never have even dreamed of!

 

[Tig Bitties]

Would be interested to know the ages of these posters who rant like this. Is it an age thing?

I'm 44, married with two beautiful kids in grade school. I run my own business, and lead the Cub Scouts group. Super busy life.

 

[thadoggfather]

I didn't say it was the same thing? Also, I said it doesn't invert everything ... what I'm (badly) getting at, is that maybe a dark mode is coming and this is the first step

It's always possible but not having it at launch with a new screen tech, is a flop in implementation In my opinion

 

[willmtaylor]

I am totally confused the major hype for the new iPhone X, I just don't get it. It's nothing new at all to really be excited about. And I am super smartphone nerd, total gadget geek.

Because it's running the same old boring iOS, sure the iPhone 8 will be all new tech, catching up to the looks and bezel less display Android phones have had for a year already. But at the end of the day, the fancy new phone wears off quickly, and your left with the OS you use day in, and day out 24/7, and iOS 11 is just like lame boring, locked down iOS 10, which was just like old iOS 9, which was like lame iOS 8, and the Fischer Price toy iOS 7 which started it all.

Who gives two ****s about the new design of the iPhone X, when it's running the same iOS still from iOS 7 basically ? I'd be way more excited and pumped if the new phone was just the iPhone 8 Plus, but with a totally revamped major revision to iOS. That would be breaking news and truly jaw dropping. But right now, this X is basically a Galaxy S8 running iOS. Yawn Once the shiny new toy feeling wears off, it will feel just like the iPhone 7, and iPhone 6S, and iPhone 6, etc...Nothing new at all really here.

To be honest, I fail to see the big excitement for the iPhone X, What's the big deal here ? My point being the OS in it, is the same thing we've seen for years, nothing new here, just old iOS, nothing new. Sure the phone itself is better FINALLY, but that's it.

Thing is I LOVE the iPhone, a Jailbreaked 7 Plus is the best smartphone IMO right now. But only JB iPhone's do it for me, otherwise Nexus / Pixel all the way.

"Same old boring thing?"

Not unlike the iOS complaint threads?

 

[Dave245]

For me the big deal is the technology, 3D facial recognition system, OLED display and so on, yes you can argue that Andriod phones have had some of these features for years, BUT the point is for those of us who don't like Andriod and use Apple stuff it will be new and probably much better.

The reason a lot of people use an iPhone is because of IOS, now you can argue that Andriod has certain tehchnology way before Apple but IOS is a much better OS.

The point is it's not always about being first, there were finger print sensors in phones before the iPhone, however Touch ID is by far the best, I expect the same will be true with Apple's facial recognition system ("Face ID")