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[WW] Knee-Deep in the Dead - WOOF WOOF WEREWOLVES WIN
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For a skilled player, yes he's been here here for too long but Tomorrow was the Seer and he knows DP's role. Obviously both can't be infected so I'll take my chances and keep my vote for you, I'll switch if you come out with your power.
Good Lord, the number of people going awol during the game is one thing, but not catching up by reading the thread when you return is irredeemable.
DP is still around because he's a villager. I've already confirmed this.
I'm sorry DP, your very good at this game and you've made too many subtle mistakes for me to fully trust you without more information. Maybe I'm being over analytical - but they are not mistakes I would have expected from you but I suspect most people missed them.
Day 1 - you voted for Tomorrow initially, then switched to Intell (supposedly to tie it up but it didn't tie the votes) Intell was still behind in votes. Maybe a genuine mistake - I gave you the benefit of the doubt on that one - maybe there was more to it as Day 2 Intell was tied should have lost but miraculously survived!
Night 3 - you asked for the Blocker to use their power publicly - whereas the rules state it is a private power. Was that a mistake or fishing for a role you thought could be a threat maybe?
Blocker
can block the activity of one player for the next applicable day or night-time period, but not both. This does not apply to core WW powers such as the basic night-time kill, the infection or the kamikaze kill except if the kill only occurs because of the Maniac power. (Active, One-time, Anytime, Private)
Now its Night 4, you call for everyone to out themselves - but you have to be last because your cleared by Tomorrow - yep he can clear your specific role maybe - but he probably can't clear the fact your a villager as you could have been infected since (or the Seer could have been infected earlier). Its already outed 2 roles it would have been better for the wolves not to know, going to potentially out all 3 vital village roles - Guard, Thug, Stalwart - all of which it would have been better for the wolves not to know.
There are 3 ways you could be a wolf. In 2 of which Tomorrow has been misled.
You were infected since night 1 and Tomorrow is what he says he is - he knows you were a villager but your not anymore.
A lucky infection was made night 1 and got the Seer - everything since then could be manipulation - in which case you and Tomorrow are both wolves.
You could be a wolf from day 1 and the Meddler could have protected you from the scan day. I deliberately left that out of the possible options up to now to see if you came up with it.
Day 1 - you voted for Tomorrow initially, then switched to Intell (supposedly to tie it up but it didn't tie the votes) Intell was still behind in votes. Maybe a genuine mistake - I gave you the benefit of the doubt on that one - maybe there was more to it as Day 2 Intell was tied should have lost but miraculously survived!
Night 3 - you asked for the Blocker to use their power publicly - whereas the rules state it is a private power. Was that a mistake or fishing for a role you thought could be a threat maybe?
Blocker
can block the activity of one player for the next applicable day or night-time period, but not both. This does not apply to core WW powers such as the basic night-time kill, the infection or the kamikaze kill except if the kill only occurs because of the Maniac power. (Active, One-time, Anytime, Private)
Now its Night 4, you call for everyone to out themselves - but you have to be last because your cleared by Tomorrow - yep he can clear your specific role maybe - but he probably can't clear the fact your a villager as you could have been infected since (or the Seer could have been infected earlier). Its already outed 2 roles it would have been better for the wolves not to know, going to potentially out all 3 vital village roles - Guard, Thug, Stalwart - all of which it would have been better for the wolves not to know.
There are 3 ways you could be a wolf. In 2 of which Tomorrow has been misled.
You were infected since night 1 and Tomorrow is what he says he is - he knows you were a villager but your not anymore.
A lucky infection was made night 1 and got the Seer - everything since then could be manipulation - in which case you and Tomorrow are both wolves.
You could be a wolf from day 1 and the Meddler could have protected you from the scan day. I deliberately left that out of the possible options up to now to see if you came up with it.
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With the above in mind and the fact comeagain claims the Executioner which means if he is telling the truth he can kill anyone of us anyway and will probably use the power to save himself if left in front I'm switching my vote to DP
Ohh sorry you're right - has that changed in the new rules - going to have to reread the other roles again. Well now you don't have to.
Lol fenris,
Reaching much?
I miscounted the votes on e on day1, so intell had one vote less than i thought, which was completely irrelevant at the end since astroboy and intell were both villagers
If the blocker power was used on plutonius, it would have prevented the wolves to take the seer power from tomorrow, not sure how you can construe that call to be helpful to the wolves. It was the only way i can think of to save tomorrow's power, public or private
And if i am infected, or if tomorrow was infected, why would it be so essential to protect the identity of the stalwart? In all your scenarios the infection would be gone already
And the meddler scenario is also inconsistent with the infection, bacause if that was in play it would require that pluto was the infected one
Finally the suggestion for the all-out was by sythas -the guard-, i just fleshed it out and added the fail-safe bit of me being last.
After i set out the details on how it would work to be discussed, it was again sytas who triggered it and got the ball rolling
He is in on it as well? How many infections do you think we have at play?
Looks to me you are painted into a corner and grasping for straws.
Only you, melrose and anjinha are holding on your roles. The village has nothing to gain in keeping them hidden at this point, while the wves risk being exposed.
Given how analytical you are, i was sure you would jump on board, especially once sythas came out as the guard.
That makes your position looks more like a desperate last stand.
Still waiting for a peep from anjinha, and melrose, but at this point it does look like a wolfie, or more than one, is hiding within the ranks of anjinha, melrose and fenris.
For now the vote for anjinha stands, but i am fine with any of those 3
Reaching much?
I miscounted the votes on e on day1, so intell had one vote less than i thought, which was completely irrelevant at the end since astroboy and intell were both villagers
If the blocker power was used on plutonius, it would have prevented the wolves to take the seer power from tomorrow, not sure how you can construe that call to be helpful to the wolves. It was the only way i can think of to save tomorrow's power, public or private
And if i am infected, or if tomorrow was infected, why would it be so essential to protect the identity of the stalwart? In all your scenarios the infection would be gone already
And the meddler scenario is also inconsistent with the infection, bacause if that was in play it would require that pluto was the infected one
Finally the suggestion for the all-out was by sythas -the guard-, i just fleshed it out and added the fail-safe bit of me being last.
After i set out the details on how it would work to be discussed, it was again sytas who triggered it and got the ball rolling
He is in on it as well? How many infections do you think we have at play?
Looks to me you are painted into a corner and grasping for straws.
Only you, melrose and anjinha are holding on your roles. The village has nothing to gain in keeping them hidden at this point, while the wves risk being exposed.
Given how analytical you are, i was sure you would jump on board, especially once sythas came out as the guard.
That makes your position looks more like a desperate last stand.
Still waiting for a peep from anjinha, and melrose, but at this point it does look like a wolfie, or more than one, is hiding within the ranks of anjinha, melrose and fenris.
For now the vote for anjinha stands, but i am fine with any of those 3
DP - reread my post and original post - blocker says it is a private power. I wanted to get pluto majority locked as soon as possible as i thought that was best way to prevent him using the swap. Don't know why you didn't suggest that.
Why does meddler mean pluto has to be infected?
I'd have to reread the interaction between you and Sythas but I got the impression it was you prompting things
I've already explained this, though. Two people vouching for each doesn't mean squat.
Don't Panic. I honestly believe you're hiding something. Every time the possibility is mentioned about your being a baddie, you make a reference to some enigmatic earlier post where (doubtless written by yourself), where you say it has been "discussed at length" - but I've yet to find that post and know for a fact it hasn't been discussed at length.
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Well it'll certainly be a big laugh if this possibility turns out to be correct...
blocking would have been faster and more efficient, independent of reaching majority lock which -as shown by the fact that tomorrow was indeed swapped- was in fact not fast enough.
i had some time to go back to the thread.
tomorrow outed plutonius in post 653, at 9:21.
scepticalscribe voted pluto in post 654, melrose in post 655, moyank in post 657, and myself in post 659, at 10:20, where i suggested blocker power to be used. collapser wouldn't have worked because the deadline was too far.
then you voted at 10:57 in post 665, and comeagain majority-locked it at 10:59.
that's when you asked if the majority lock would prevent pluto to use its power and i answered that it was possible but i didn't know, it would be up to twietee.
then sythas added a vote to prevent funny vote business in post 671
twietee closed the day after sythas' vote at 11:27 with a vote count of 7:2, which means that sythas' change was not counted/didn't matter after the lock
We do not know when the swapper power was used, but certainly it was all done quickly, as just over 2 hours passed between tomorrow announcement and pluto's demise.
i really don't see how you can in any way try to turn this against me, i obviously did what i could to get pluto as fast as possible. if i had voted earlier it would have made no difference. if anything, it could be argued that you and/or comeagain waited for pluto to use the power before jumping on the bandwagon. farfetched maybe, but not as much as some of your theories above.
meddler stuff coming in a following post
By the way, the faster everyone comes out with your role the harder it will be to the wolf to hide.
they knows someone's ability with the seer scan last night, if you wait to be lynched or killed during the night, they will use your ability to take cover. Sooo if a villagers is the stretcher, it's a good idea to strech this timeline.
from fenris snifer :
they knows someone's ability with the seer scan last night, if you wait to be lynched or killed during the night, they will use your ability to take cover. Sooo if a villagers is the stretcher, it's a good idea to strech this timeline.
from fenris snifer :
- anjinha: 5 Don't panic, Moyank24, Tomorrow, TechGod, Sythas
- Don't panic: 4 Comeagain?, FenrisMoonlight, rick snagwell, Melrose
- Moyank24: 1 ravenvii
if there is a meddler, it must be the 'third' wolf, as it cannot be the alpha or kami, nor obviously they can be a an infected villager.
since plutonius was a 'regular' wolf, then in the presence of the meddler he must have been the infected WW.
so scenarios with the meddler and someone else than plutonius being infected are inconsistent.
besides who would be the meddler in your scenario? me? if i was and a fake role was fed to tomorrow, then i must have psychic powers because on day 1 i must have been able to identify a role that nobody was going to claim during the rest of the game, and would have been especially dum to call for an all-out.
so are you the meddler? or do you think melrose or anjinha are? then why not flush them out?
sorry, but most of your baroque scenarios are not only highly unlikely, but internally inconsistent.
answer me this, what is more likely:
a) i am a wolf, i tricked tomorrow on day one or luckily infected him before he could denounce, me, than decided with him to sacrifice plutonius for no apparent reasons whil at the same time wasting two powers which could have been very useful later on, and then exploit sythas' all-out suggestion to gain insights of moderate advantage to the WW (who already have the seer power), when w could have all stayed in the back, go after those not participating and likely easily win the game
or
b) one or more of fenris, melrose and anjinha are wolves who don't want to disclose their role because it would compromise them?
a or b?
since plutonius was a 'regular' wolf, then in the presence of the meddler he must have been the infected WW.
so scenarios with the meddler and someone else than plutonius being infected are inconsistent.
besides who would be the meddler in your scenario? me? if i was and a fake role was fed to tomorrow, then i must have psychic powers because on day 1 i must have been able to identify a role that nobody was going to claim during the rest of the game, and would have been especially dum to call for an all-out.
so are you the meddler? or do you think melrose or anjinha are? then why not flush them out?
sorry, but most of your baroque scenarios are not only highly unlikely, but internally inconsistent.
answer me this, what is more likely:
a) i am a wolf, i tricked tomorrow on day one or luckily infected him before he could denounce, me, than decided with him to sacrifice plutonius for no apparent reasons whil at the same time wasting two powers which could have been very useful later on, and then exploit sythas' all-out suggestion to gain insights of moderate advantage to the WW (who already have the seer power), when w could have all stayed in the back, go after those not participating and likely easily win the game
or
b) one or more of fenris, melrose and anjinha are wolves who don't want to disclose their role because it would compromise them?
a or b?
ok, i will be revealing my role in a couple of minutes, in case tomorrow gets offed and then i am accused of doing it to cover my fake role.
last chance for fenris, melrose and anjinha to come out with their role
last chance for fenris, melrose and anjinha to come out with their role
well, crap.
If she's not even here to defend herself 10 minutes before the deadline, I'm not so sure it's anjinha....
If she's not even here to defend herself 10 minutes before the deadline, I'm not so sure it's anjinha....
rick: scavenger, then hunter, power spent
ravenvii: leech, now soother, power spent
techgod: undertaker
tomorrow: seer, then soother, now no powers
sythas: guard
moyank: Thug
comeagain: Executioner
Melrose: ?
anjinha: ?
fenris: ?
dontpanic: ?
ravenvii: leech, now soother, power spent
techgod: undertaker
tomorrow: seer, then soother, now no powers
sythas: guard
moyank: Thug
comeagain: Executioner
Melrose: ?
anjinha: ?
fenris: ?
dontpanic: ?
Yeah, but I think that's our best shot anyway. At least Melrose and Fenris are doing a great job to crack DP, wich we always need
