[WW] The MRville Horror, Part 3 GAME OVER - Villagers Win!

[jav6454]

Ok, hammer time.

 

[abijnk]

For the sake of everyone, if you are not an active player in the game please don't break this rule. Have fun by being a part with us, but don't cross the line.

I completely missed that in the most recent rules. Thanks for posting it.

I then revise my request to ask that both Jav6454 and anjinhamarota please stop trying to strategically influence the game.

 

[anjinha]

I completely missed that in the most recent rules. Thanks for posting it.

I then revise my request to ask that both Jav6454 and anjinhamarota please stop trying to strategically influence the game.

Except that I wasn't trying to influence the game, I have no reason too, I was merely posing questions. Jav on the other hand has a reason to influence the game (to save his buddy werewolf).

The problem with any non-player posting strategic info having not been a part of the game at any point is that his or her allegiance could be anywhere. He/she may be friends with any number of specials, and they could have casually expressed their status to that person, or he/she may just be friends with someone and are trying to sway opinion to help them out. That's even more ambiguous than a participant in the thread, dead or not.

What strategic info? I've asked questions, like I did since the first game. I'm not trying to influence the game in any way,simply arguing points I don't agree with (whether they are from the villagers side or from the baddies side).

I still don't get why that's worse than a dead player with a clear bias influencing the game in favour of his werewolf friend.

 

[Gelfin]

Not really, I have pointed out somethings that quite obvious for me. Other than that, I have had no say in the votes, nor do I intend to. I find it much more amusing to see people squable and find my acompliss than spoil the fun.


Also, on the other game I do not add any value but the comedy relief. I see no problem in that, but if you do, please say so and I will stop.

Well, it's especially tricky, because, for example, you know who the other wolves are, which means it goes without saying what's obvious to you might not be to other people, and how you talk to other players carries information about their roles, which puts you in the position where either you don't realize what you're saying and you're accidentally eliminating other candidates, or you do realize what you're saying, and you're unfairly helping to provide cover for the remaining wolves despite being dead.

In this sort of game it's really, really easy to accidentally influence things.

 

[-aggie-]

Ok, hammer time.

Is that what you think providing comedic value is.

The fact that you wrote “hammer time” is bad enough.

 

[jav6454]

Well, it's especially tricky, because, for example, you know who the other wolves are, which means it goes without saying what's obvious to you might not be to other people, and how you talk to other players carries information about their roles, which puts you in the position where either you don't realize what you're saying and you're accidentally eliminating other candidates, or you do realize what you're saying, and you're unfairly helping to provide cover for the remaining wolves despite being dead.

In this sort of game it's really, really easy to accidentally influence things.

Which is why I am not going to say much, other than to provide the afermentioned comedic relief.

Is that what you think providing comedic value is.

The fact that you wrote “hammer time” is bad enough.

I just picked the first 5 pics of a random folder. Not meant to be funny, but just distract.

 

[chrmjenkins]

You cannot question a strategy without either inherently offering an alternative or testing the rigor of the strategy. Basically, you're becoming the vessel for that person to either expound on or modify their strategy, even if you aren't posting your own strategy. It's tough for any statement made by an outsider to be innocuous in this game.

 

[iBookG4user]

Well, it's especially tricky, because, for example, you know who the other wolves are, which means it goes without saying what's obvious to you might not be to other people, and how you talk to other players carries information about their roles, which puts you in the position where either you don't realize what you're saying and you're accidentally eliminating other candidates, or you do realize what you're saying, and you're unfairly helping to provide cover for the remaining wolves despite being dead.

In this sort of game it's really, really easy to accidentally influence things.

In other words, jav should just stick to comedy relief

 

[abijnk]

Except that I wasn't trying to influence the game, I have no reason too, I was merely posing questions. Jav on the other hand has a reason to influence the game (to save his buddy werewolf).

Exactly. The game is played by gathering information about players and their motivations. In asking questions that other players might not have thought to ask you are bringing information to light that might otherwise not be revealed, thereby greatly influencing the game.

I know it may seem harmless, but really it isn't. And I would think that the fact that there are now two players in the game asking you to stop would be enough to convince you of this.

Please have enough respect for the players in the game to stop posing questions and actively participating in a form other than casual observer (for instance, the unicorn stuff was hilarious).

 

[anjinha]

Well, it's especially tricky, because, for example, you know who the other wolves are, which means it goes without saying what's obvious to you might not be to other people, and how you talk to other players carries information about their roles, which puts you in the position where either you don't realize what you're saying and you're accidentally eliminating other candidates, or you do realize what you're saying, and you're unfairly helping to provide cover for the remaining wolves despite being dead.

In this sort of game it's really, really easy to accidentally influence things.

Exactly.

Exactly. The game is played by gathering information about players and their motivations. In asking questions that other players might not have thought to ask you are bringing information to light that might otherwise not be revealed, thereby greatly influencing the game.

I know it may seem harmless, but really it isn't. And I would think that the fact that there are now two players in the game asking you to stop would be enough to convince you of this.

Please have enough respect for the players in the game to stop posing questions and actively participating in a form other than casual observer (for instance, the unicorn stuff was hilarious).

I just don't get why what I was doing seems to be worse than what jav was doing, when he actually has information that can influence the game.

 

[-aggie-]

Except that I wasn't trying to influence the game, I have no reason too, I was merely posing questions. Jav on the other hand has a reason to influence the game (to save his buddy werewolf).



What strategic info? I've asked questions, like I did since the first game. I'm not trying to influence the game in any way,simply arguing points I don't agree with (whether they are from the villagers side or from the baddies side).

I still don't get why that's worse than a dead player with a clear bias influencing the game in favour of his werewolf friend.

Why all the drama? She doesn’t want you to post, so why not just honor her request since you’re not even in the game? Seems pointless. Let raven handle the rules and rule breakers.

 

[abijnk]

Exactly.

So that's a "yes" to my request?

 

[anjinha]

Why all the drama? She doesn’t want you to post, so why not just honor her request since you’re not even in the game? Seems pointless. Let raven handle the rules and rule breakers.

Did I say I was going to keep posting?

 

[chrmjenkins]

I just don't get why what I was doing seems to be worse than what jav was doing, when he actually has information that can influence the game.

No one can know for sure whether you do or do not have information. That's the problem. You can be in contact with any number of the players through casual conversation and know their statuses.

 

[jav6454]

Except that I wasn't trying to influence the game, I have no reason too, I was merely posing questions. Jav on the other hand has a reason to influence the game (to save his buddy werewolf).

I really disagree see below:

Not necessarily. When I was the werewolf I rarely killed the people who voted for me because that would only make the other suspicious of me.

How should I know? Every person plays differently, my point was just that the werewolf isn't necessarily going to kill someone just because they voted for them. In fact the werewolf could be playing people against each other.

Those two posts made it even more difficult for people to believe in my defense. It practically destroyed a good part of my defense. You had a strong say in my lynch even though you had no intention in. If I have to be careful, so do you.

 

[anjinha]

No one can know for sure whether you do or do not have information. That's the problem. You can be in contact with any number of the players through casual conversation and know their statuses.

So me possibly knowing information is worse than jav actually knowing information? Yeah, makes sense...

and if you read my posts I didn't try to point anyone towards any player (like jav did), I simply asked random questions.

 

[dukebound85]

Why all the drama? She doesn’t want you to post, so why not just honor her request since you’re not even in the game? Seems pointless. Let raven handle the rules and rule breakers.

I agree completely

Speculation on who is who by spectators and eliminated players and any such concluding by one whould be prohibited for the sake of the game's integrity

To participate, with no recourse of punishment in the game, makes the game NOT fun for those still in IMO

I don't get why this is a hard concept for some...

 

[chrmjenkins]

So me possibly knowing information is worse than jav actually knowing information? Yeah, makes sense...

and if you read my posts I didn't try to point anyone towards any player (like jav did), I simply asked random questions.

It doesn't need to be worse or even equal. Possibly knowing any information is damaging to the game. That's why non-participants, both dead and never in, are not supposed to weigh in.

You never have to point to anyone to influence the game. Simply asking questions about someone's strategy makes them make a post that they wouldn't otherwise make, which may or may not sway others' opinions. Even if they don't respond, someone can take your post into consideration for strategy reasons or examine it to see if you're trying to help someone out. In a game of subtleties, every little thing will be scrutinized and matter.

 

[anjinha]

Those two posts made it even more difficult for people to believe in my defense. It practically destroyed a good part of my defense. You had a strong say in my lynch even though you had no intention in. If I have to be careful, so do you.

None of the posters changed their opinion after me arguing with you, in fact a few of them posted for willbro after I posted that. The ones that eventually voted for you only did it when the game got stopped.

 

[jav6454]

None of the posters changed their opinion after me arguing with you, in fact a few of them posted for willbro after I posted that. The ones that eventually voted for you only did it when the game got stopped.

It doesn't matter if someone else posted, the fact it, if I had someone about to change, your reposting of the theory might have reinforced their thought.

It was clear intervention, even if someone else said it. I recall sending you a polite PM asking you not to say anything/stop posting for now.

 

[anjinha]

It doesn't need to be worse or even equal. Possibly knowing any information is damaging to the game. That's why non-participants, both dead and never in, are not supposed to weigh in.

You never have to point to anyone to influence the game. Simply asking questions about someone's strategy makes them make a post that they wouldn't otherwise make, which may or may not sway others' opinions. In a game of subtleties, every little thing will be scrutinized and matter.

I just don't see why it wasn't a problem when jav posted something that could get people suspicious of someone but when I argued his point then everyone had a problem with that.

It doesn't matter if someone else posted, the fact it, if I had someone about to change, your reposting of the theory might have reinforced their thought.

It was clear intervention, even if someone else said it. I recall sending you a polite PM asking you not to say anything/stop posting for now.

are you serious??????

Bold assumptions. But here I stand thinking, why is it, that you try to put pressure on others? Hiding something aren't we?

 

[Gelfin]

So me possibly knowing information is worse than jav actually knowing information? Yeah, makes sense...

and if you read my posts I didn't try to point anyone towards any player (like jav did), I simply asked random questions.

Well, in a like vein, there are questions and observations I have avoided through the game because I was concerned about becoming monster chow the following night if I opened my mouth. Having something on the line is part of the game just as much as having knowledge is.

Now, I think we all have a reasonable common understanding, so perhaps everybody can calm down and we can get back to murdering one another in a friendly and responsible manner.

 

[chrmjenkins]

I just don't see why it wasn't a problem when jav posted something that could get people suspicious of someone but when I argued his point then everyone had a problem with that.

No one is saying that what jav did is okay either. They're simply saying it happened last game too.

 

[abijnk]

So me possibly knowing information is worse than jav actually knowing information? Yeah, makes sense...

and if you read my posts I didn't try to point anyone towards any player (like jav did), I simply asked random questions.

What with the "he hit me first" thing?

 

[renewed]

The horse is dead... move on guys.. sheesh...

Dead people and non-participants can only post lolcats from now on. There. It's done.