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WWDC - No iMacs, but Yes Displays?

melgross said:
...In the Pc world there are new products every three months or so. Every time a new development or advance comes out you see it reflected in new mobo's the next week. Apple's staid intro's are thought over for too long. there are now over a dozen Express mobo's out there. ...
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This is a major issue. Apple doesn't have enough competition. I think Steve made a big mistake in killing the clones. Now no one but Apple can release Mac OS compatible hardware. There are different ways to skin this cat. Somehow Apple needs to be able to tap into more energy when designing computers. They could come up with competing business divisions. They could spin out different design and manufacturing groups. They could try again to license to a group of manufacturers. That is the beauty of competition. You don't know which combination of design and technology will be a winner so you let loose many varieties and go with the winner.
 
neutrino23 said:
This is a major issue. Apple doesn't have enough competition. I think Steve made a big mistake in killing the clones. Now no one but Apple can release Mac OS compatible hardware. There are different ways to skin this cat. Somehow Apple needs to be able to tap into more energy when designing computers. They could come up with competing business divisions. They could spin out different design and manufacturing groups. They could try again to license to a group of manufacturers. That is the beauty of competition. You don't know which combination of design and technology will be a winner so you let loose many varieties and go with the winner.
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Indeed, and with the licensing of hardware to other manufacturers, I think the biggest hole in the MAC linup would be filled, the normal consumer level desktop computer. Single proc, no LCD attached desktop computers and mini computers (I honestly think the cube concept could succeed now. Shuttle XPCs have carved a market that is exploding at an astounding rate)

Most Mac fanatics seem to believe in the showy iMac design. But it's not all about the hardware any more. OSX has turned the heads of thousands of geeks and sysadmins out there -- people who are attracted to the unix features and extensibility that makes OSX a tremendous leap over Classic (which I think was a horrible, clunky, limitted OS, don't shoot me).

This audience still isn't buying OSX desktops though because the cost/feature ratio still isn't there. I personally know at least 4 geek-types with powerbooks who are using x86 Linux/Windows boxes on the desktop. If Apple is going to ignore this market, let someone else do it, and make a little extra off licensing, and potentially quite a bit extra off of OS and Software sales (Microsoft anyone? Apple already has enough of an attitude with constant OS upgrades at full price, might as well go for broke ;) ).
 
PRØBE said:
Oh the pain! Please PLEASE stop repeating that nonsensical argument of Apple holding off on G5s for the imac, just because we cant POSSIBLY have a consumer desktop more powerful than a laptop now can we?. That argument has NO logical foundation. So stop it stop it stop it. Ok?
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Thank you. It is absolutely ludicrous to believe that if Apple were capable of building a G5 iMac, they would hold off for months so as to obey some artificial rule that the PBs have to be faster. Given the iMac's terrible specs and poor sales, Apple would be insane to not update it as soon as they possibly can.
 
Apple not a 'seller' just a 'hype'r'

Here, I can't buy a mini iPod, I can't have iTunesmusic store, I have 3 choices of Mac to buy: a white laptop with a few 32 meg of ram, another laptop with pricy features, if you want power same as PC, and many dead pixels... And of course de Superpower G5 64 bit chip with no OS support that 64 full power. Can also Apple included a dummy guide: How to never ship the right product in the right time. And why Mac user buy it? Or don't buy it. The market share is at best "stagnant"...

The same old story: Steve jobs want a good advisor in administration like Bill Gates.

The best friend of Apple is Steve Jobs "insight", the worse nightmare of Apple is Steve Jobs Ego...

Steves jobs is good for detecting innovation, but need a advisor-administrator to temper is instability... :(
 
So speaking of WWDC, will the Apple site be broadcasting the keynote as was the case with MWSF? If not, where can I log on to view the keynote on Monday?
 
monitors and stuff

The other thing I'm wondering about is whether the 30" (if there really is one) will be usable on any computer. One thing I've read is that it will only work with the G5. Apple could technically do that.

You might question it, but the current ones only work with ADC Mac's, unless you want to buy a $150 adapter. I know Pc users who would have bought the 20" and 23", but don't like the idea of the adapter.

That's the other problem. Jobs gives sales away so that he can fulfill his vision. My business is in commercial Photo. We can't use LCD's for high end color work. The best crt's, other than the very expensive Barco's, were Apple's Colorsync models. The 17 and the 21 were standards in the industry. Everyone bought them. Pc shops and Mac shops. We practically begged Apple to not discontinue them when they announced it, but were dismissively rebuffed. Apple lost all of those sales.

This is symptomatic of the man. He wants everything to reflect his, and only his, concepts. I sometimes think that if someone suggests something, he will reject it out of hand.

I was a partner in a high audio manufacturing concern years ago, and designed speakers, and electronics. I came up with a way of moding the G5 with one cpu that could be brought in for under $1,000, but my friends in Apple engineering said that Jobs would never listen.

2% anyone?
 
store update

You're right. But it's strange. Why now? Unless it's just a server update. That's usually done late on a weekend when the least people are hitting it.

This is the best speculation because we'll find out what idiots we are in a few minutes - so speculate someone!!
 
ClimbingTheLog said:
This is a rumor-monger's dream. AppleInsider and ThinkSecret are diametrically opposed on this one.

We'll soon see which has the street cred.
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You're right on the money with AI and TS being on opposite sides on this. I think TS has the edge on calling things right. And who ever is right, will have the bragging rights for awhile.


germ war said:
Call it a hunch, but I think iMacs are getting discontinued in lieu of something new. I think Apple is somehow going to upgrade the eMac line in the not-too-distant future, possibly going flatscreen like the current iMacs, and doing something completely different altogether with the eMac-to-PowerMac bridge. Return of the Cube? Who knows?
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I too think the imacs will be discontinued for a different style and type. I would love to see the return of the Cube. :D I'm a nut for them. I have 2. A stock 450MHz and a modified 1.2GHz with an ATI 8500 which rocks with all but the best. But I highly doubt it will be back :(
 
I agree that its too soon for a G5 iMac, and besides, WWDC announcements tend to be more toward the Pro line, and the iMac is a consumer computer, so a big update is unlikely. However, I can't help think the iMac is due for at least a minor update within the very near future, as it is still sporting the 4x Superdrive while even the eMac has an 8x. Even if it means just bumping to 1.5 and 1.33GHz G4s and maybe a HD and RAM boost or the addition of a Firewire 800 port. Maybe not at WWDC, but it has to be coming soon.
 
nslyax said:
I agree that its too soon for a G5 iMac, and besides, WWDC announcements tend to be more toward the Pro line, and the iMac is a consumer computer, so a big update is unlikely. However, I can't help think the iMac is due for at least a minor update within the very near future, as it is still sporting the 4x Superdrive while even the eMac has an 8x. Even if it means just bumping to 1.5 and 1.33GHz G4s and maybe a HD and RAM boost or the addition of a Firewire 800 port. Maybe not at WWDC, but it has to be coming soon.
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As much as I hate to admit it I am beginning to think that this is the case. But what makes me scratch my head is then when will we see an iMac G5, there's no doubt that Apple is working on this and may be putting the finishing touches on it. But I don't think Apple wants to have the same problem this Fall that they did last year when they could not update the PowerBooks and iBooks in time for students going off to college. By common sense a student is going to be looking into the market for a computer before they actually ship off, that is in July and August.

I believe also that any significant upgrade to the iMac line is still going to encounter the same problem of price. Currently the iMac is too much for too little, it's a nice case design but the stuff inside is not much to brag about. I don't believe that Apple should have continued business with Motorola or IBM, which in my opinion is going to be just as worthless as Moto on the CPU updates. They should have made a relationship with an actual chipmaker, definitely not Intel, like AMD. AMD is really kicking ass with their Athlon 64 lines, I believe that the world class engineers from both Apple and AMD could have come up with a type of PowerPC G5 based on AMD's Athlon 64 chip featuring Velocity Engine. Steve Jobs refering to the G5 produced by IBM, "This is a platform that has legs!" Sigh :(
 
neutrino23 said:
This is a major issue. Apple doesn't have enough competition. I think Steve made a big mistake in killing the clones. Now no one but Apple can release Mac OS compatible hardware. There are different ways to skin this cat. Somehow Apple needs to be able to tap into more energy when designing computers. They could come up with competing business divisions. They could spin out different design and manufacturing groups. They could try again to license to a group of manufacturers. That is the beauty of competition. You don't know which combination of design and technology will be a winner so you let loose many varieties and go with the winner.
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With all due respect, if they hadn't killed the clones Apple would probably have gone by now. You absolutely don't open up your market to all comers when your market is only around 4-5% or whatever it was at the time, it was corporate suicide. The opposite is true of releasing an OS for x86, in this case you are going after your competitors market and you are always at the same hardware spec of your competitor, at that point you compete purely on quality and features and if I'm not too biased I'd say OS X is light years ahead of Windows.

There is also an element of risk in this strategy as well but the rewards of success are massive. However, Steve Jobs has neither the business accumen nor the nerve to go after Microsoft in this way, he knows that at the point where Apple did this they would become ripe for takeover, with someone like HP or Dell being prime suitors.

So we remain a minority pseudo elitelist platform which is no skin off my nose, it's just that I have to keep reading bleeding heart forum posts about poor hardware specs and release timescales etc..

My guess for WWDC is that we will see an exciting new product of some description, monitors and Tiger are not going to be enough to wow the crowd at such a prestigous event. Also WWDC is Apples showcase expo these days, so do you honestly think that with relationships the way they are these days, Apple [Jobs] will let Macworld Paris upstage it?
 
bkopi said:
i am the single 1.8 G5, stock display card, enough to run 30" display?
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That depends on accuracy of the rumor mill. ThinkSecret.com says the 30" would go to 2560 X 1600, but mind you, it's a rumor site, actual results may vary. Never-the-less, assuming they're correct, a stock 1.8 G5 has a 5200 card which is capable of digital resolutions up to 1920 X 1200. So the answer is, based on ThinkSecret's supposed facts, your stock G5 1.8 would not be able to power the alleged 30 inch Cinema Display to it's maximum resolution. However, it would power it (again, in theory) to 1920 X 1200 resolution, which is where the 23 inch Cinema Display maxes out.

Hope that answered your question based on rumors. In short, yes, but not at the 30's maximum alleged max resolution.
 
gz

3.5 gz, 3 core is what X-Box 2 and PS - 3 are using:
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=16802

Why 3 gz is late:
http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1617135,00.asp

When will 64 bit be a laptop:
http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1617070,00.asp

Is there a x86 dual 64:
http://tinyurl.com/3gyzr

Is there a x86 64 laptop:
http://emachines.com/products/products.html?prod=eMachines_M6809

If I had a x86 and Mac-envy, I can fix it w/ Linux, here are some screens:
http://gnome-look.org

peace out,

.V

:p
 
I remember a four- to five-hundred post thread right after the MWSF Stevenote about how effed up the Mini and its pricing was. :rolleyes:

Selling for three to four hundred dollars on Ebay or a four-week delivery time from Apple.

BUT

I'm sure we will all be bitching about something here in a few days. :D
 
If Steve wasn't so arrogant, he would be at MacWorld Boston next month. That would be the perfect place to announce the new iMac.
 
my bet

My bet for Monday (or Paris):

A sexy, moderately priced, quiet (powertune), vertical orientated (standing book), mini desktop model with mini-ipod aesthetics (curved edges block)
To go with the new displays. A cube reincarnation to compete in the ITX area.
Being an extremely seductive offer to make all these home users on a budget, and office users with tft (on wishbones) switch to MAC.

The all in one Imac will be continued but eventually go away. Its concept -although very functional and beautiful- just isn't fit to offer the moderate price and upgradeability (screens) that the masses willing to explore Mac want.

With the 'miniMac' you can get OSX on a G5 (THE experience) and use your old monitor; the budget solution (like the original imac used to be)
Or you can combine it with an apple display; the midrange option (cube and current imac) :)
 
Photorun said:
That depends on accuracy of the rumor mill. ThinkSecret.com says the 30" would go to 2560 X 1600, but mind you, it's a rumor site, actual results may vary. Never-the-less, assuming they're correct, a stock 1.8 G5 has a 5200 card which is capable of digital resolutions up to 1920 X 1200. So the answer is, based on ThinkSecret's supposed facts, your stock G5 1.8 would not be able to power the alleged 30 inch Cinema Display to it's maximum resolution. However, it would power it (again, in theory) to 1920 X 1200 resolution, which is where the 23 inch Cinema Display maxes out.

Hope that answered your question based on rumors. In short, yes, but not at the 30's maximum alleged max resolution.
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Thanks photorun,
so can i upgrade my display card to run 2560 X 1600 or am i out of luck?
i have been saving up for over a year for a "very big" display, i don't want to keep using my 6 years old monitor!
 
bkopi said:
i am the single 1.8 G5, stock display card, enough to run 30" display?
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From everything I've seen, the only limitation is that it has to be used with a G5... so I'm guessing YES... you should be able to get one and use it on your low-end G5.

However, it wouldn't surprise me if a 3rd party doesn' figure out a way and ship a product for G4 owners to use one too. (fingers tightly crossed).
 
newnomad said:
My bet for Monday (or Paris):

A sexy, moderately priced, quiet (powertune), vertical orientated (standing book), mini desktop model with mini-ipod aesthetics (curved edges block)
To go with the new displays. A cube reincarnation to compete in the ITX area.
Being an extremely seductive offer to make all these home users on a budget, and office users with tft (on wishbones) switch to MAC.
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I've got one word for you, man: DROOL. Bring 'em on, Steve. I'll take one in every colour.
 
wait for it...

bkopi said:
Thanks photorun,
so can i upgrade my display card to run 2560 X 1600 or am i out of luck?
i have been saving up for over a year for a "very big" display, i don't want to keep using my 6 years old monitor!
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Sometimes it's just a matter of the video card driver supporting resolutions - the driver can be updated to support resolutions which weren't available before. (This assumes that the card has enough video RAM - 2560x1600 would need about 16MiB just for the visible pixels.)

There's no reason that you'd *need* a G5 to drive it, unless Apple forces the issue by only providing drivers for the G5.

I'd sit back and wait for the announcement and the fallout afterward, anything else is just speculating about rumours....
 
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