WWDC - No iMacs, but Yes Displays?

[~Shard~]

The day I buy an iMac is the day when Apple allows you to recycle the iMac as the display/dvd player/external HD for a tower. There is just no way I pay that much for a computer (other than a laptop, which should also do this) that wouldn't allow me to reuse the display when its time to upgrade.

I think it would be great if Apple sold a monitor designed just like the iMac is. But I would be even happier if I could just use the iMacs screen on another computer.

I agree, I think it would be a good selling point, and would entice more people to buy iMacs, however I don't think the unremoveable monitor is that big of a deal. I bought my 17" 1.25 GHz iMac in December, and it works amazing - I honestly do not see myself needing to upgrade for 2 or 3 more years, since I am not a pro user by any means. So, even though I will not be able to re-use my monitor when the time comes to get a new Mac, I probably won't want to anyway - there will no doubt be new monitor technology out by then, and if nothing else, the price on a 20" or 23" (even perhaps a 30"!) display will be so low that I'll probably just pick one of those up anyway, and will have no hard feelings about not being able to reuse my "old" 17" screen at that point. Plus, I wouldn't be getting rid of my iMac anyway - I'll let my girlfriend use it or something like that...

 

[sfwalter]

Not that anyone cares , but it's just about 24 hours until showtime!

 

[iDave]

Not that anyone cares , but it's just about 24 hours until showtime!

Gee, we'd better get started speculating then.

 

[Maxx Power]

That's a Catch 22

The day I buy an iMac is the day when Apple allows you to recycle the iMac as the display/dvd player/external HD for a tower. There is just no way I pay that much for a computer (other than a laptop, which should also do this) that wouldn't allow me to reuse the display when its time to upgrade.

I think it would be great if Apple sold a monitor designed just like the iMac is. But I would be even happier if I could just use the iMacs screen on another computer.

Your point is well taken. If apple just made monitors like that, people would just buy the monitors, apple doesn't make as much on monitors as they do on whole computers. Why sell a monitor for 25% margin, when you can sell a whole computer on 50% margin ? Seriously though, that's muscling the consumers, most corporations do that, sell products with parts that are obviously meant to compensate on the lack of performance and/or usability of the other parts. But what is JUST WRONG is apple's delibrate use of the video bios to eliminate the use of the video out to span monitors on the graphics chips on the iMacs and eMacs. Shop around, for the similar price of iMacs and eMacs, you can easily get dual display with TV out, and a lot of those with TV out can actually be configured as Tri-display (i had a toshiba laptop from 1999 that can do that). They did it so you have no choice but to buy the power-series for that ability.

 

[wdlove]

Not that anyone cares , but it's just about 24 hours until showtime!

The real question, will we know anything 24 hours from now. Steve seems to be keeping paranoid control on it release.

 

[iMAC G5dreamer]

please please please ,imac G5 ,Imac G5,im still praying with 24 hours to go,that's all that is left

 

[~Shard~]

please please please ,imac G5 ,Imac G5,im still praying with 24 hours to go,that's all that is left

So are you going to change your name if your wishes come true?

Also, you got it wrong all 3 times times - it's not "IMAC", "imac" or "Imac", it's "iMac". Just thought I'd be a bastard and point that out.

 

[ITMediaCo]

Anyone notice the domain:

imacG5.com

is not registered?

 

[~Shard~]

Anyone notice the domain:

imacG5.com

is not registered?

... And your point is? Neither is powerbookG5.com or Powermac G6.com. For that matter, powermacg5.com isn't even registered and that's an existing product!

 

[PowerMacMan]

Anyone notice the domain:

imacG5.com

is not registered?

All the products are shown from Apple's Website through Apple.

 

[The Bartender]

Eyegonomic Already Makes the best LCD monitors, solid aluminum

Most 19 inch and below sized models feature 360 degree swivel, both up and down, and left and right, plus they tilt and pan.

www.eyegonomic.com

Small company in Denmark, all monitors are built to order. I've been eyeing those for a long long time now... As soon as the paper with presidents heads starts to flow in, i'm making a small investment toward one of these, either 19 or 24 inch.

how much for the 24'' in USD?

 

[Abulia]

how much for the 24'' in USD?

I found a European price and converted it to USD. Sit down...

$4,600

Sweet looking display, though.

 

[~Shard~]

I found a European price and converted it to USD. Sit down...

$4,600

Sweet looking display, though.

For that price is BETTER be sweet looking - and have the ability to make me supper everyday when I come home from work...

 

[thatwendigo]

Your argument is severly flawed, reason being that at this moment Apple is a hardware company and gain little revenue from software sales. However, if they split into software and hardware divisions and the former was allowed to charge the latter a licensing fee PLUS go out and look for further licensing deals, then subject to finding a couple of BIG deals, the software company would very quickly become the larger revenue earner and the hardware company would have to either evolve or die.

Actually, my argument stands just fine, thanks. Hardware in the Apple space has always been, and will almost certainly continue to be, the major source of revenue because the philosophy at Apple is integration of experience. Sure, there are some products that are cross-marketable, but the big, big deal is how their stuff works on a mac, not on a beige-box wannabe with crappy parts so that the bottom line can be lower.

Explain to me how it would be beneficial to the theoretical software division that you spoke of to have to support extra third party parts, which would mean a hit in both size and stability of the OS. While you're at it, explain to me how an OS that sells for $129 retail (almost certainly less than that as an OEM license, since we're talking about that) will replace a hardware business that does revenues that are, as I noted, eight times higher. The average revenue per computer sold was roughly $1500, or over ten times the value of a retail, single-user copy of Panther. If Apple were to charge full price for the OS, they would still need to sell some eleven copies per machine sale lost.

Taking a lesson from history, this is unlikely to happen, at best, since Apple lost 39% of their sales in 1996 but the marketshare didn't grow. Year over year, the Quarter 4 results in 1996 showed a net loss of $816,000,000, rather than the net proft of $414,000,000 of Q4 1995, on revenue of $9,833,000,000 (which was down 11% from the previous year). This was at the height of the cloner's heyday.

There are technical, financial, and marketing reasons to not clone, not license, and not piss away what Apple still has left. I'm mainly sticking to the financial ones, but I'll expand if I have to.

 

[furrina]

Monitor questions

Realizing at this point it's still speculative,

If apple doe realease monitors this week at the rumored price points, (20"= 999) how much of a price drop is expected on the old 20" monitors?

Will this happen immediately or will they try to sell them at the current price for a while?

Given that it is rumored that the 20" monitor won't be HD, is there that much advantage in buying a new model vs. old if you're not particularly in love with the new form factor (this would be for my 15" powerbook).

thanks for any insight!

 

[thatwendigo]

how much for the 24'' in USD?

MacNN places the price at EU 3,800, which means that the price here in the US would be $4,619.22 as of exchange rates at mid-day, June 27th, 2004.

By comparison, the 23" Apple Cinema Display is $1,999.

 

[Wonder Boy]

is anyone else hoping for an isync update? more phones need to be compatible. specificly, the motorola v600.

 

[~Shard~]

Realizing at this point it's still speculative,

If apple doe realease monitors this week at the rumored price points, (20"= 999) how much of a price drop is expected on the old 20" monitors?

Will this happen immediately or will they try to sell them at the current price for a while?

Given that it is rumored that the 20" monitor won't be HD, is there that much advantage in buying a new model vs. old if you're not particularly in love with the new form factor (this would be for my 15" powerbook).

thanks for any insight!

I can't see how Apple could sell old 20" monitors at a price higher than new 20" monitors if things do indeed pan out this way. I'd expect a lower price, not only due to it being "old technology" but also to get rid of their inventory, as Apple was partially trying to do with the latest G5 + monitor special.

As for advatanges of buying new vs. old, rumors of the absence of ADC, strictly DVI, etc. are out there so you'll have to wait and see. In general though, I can't see anything too drastic being changed with the new displays - a monitor is just a monitor after all, in the grand scheme of things.

 

[aswitcher]

Old Screens and iMacs should take a big hit on the sticker price. Given the overpricing in Australai I expect to see an even bigger dip...although not as big as the PBs did, because the exchange rate has dropped since then.

 

[Maxx Power]

how much for the 24'' in USD?

I think it's just over 3500... that's a overkill one. Rest else are much much cheaper, i believe the 19 is just about half that.

 

[Maxx Power]

MacNN places the price at EU 3,800, which means that the price here in the US would be $4,619.22 as of exchange rates at mid-day, June 27th, 2004.

By comparison, the 23" Apple Cinema Display is $1,999.

I was given the pricelist by e-mail, it's 2795, in January of 2004, Now it should be cheaper.

 

[thediesel]

Well, we're getting new displays tomorrow, as rumored.

It's looking like the 20 will be around 1350-1400 dollars, the 23 is looking to be 2000 dollars, and the 30 incher is going to be a whopping 3200 or so.

We got DVI, and some sort of anodized aluminum. And the rumors that the 30 incher is only going to be compatible with G5s is correct.

Well it's been a while in the making, and here it is. No imacs or anything else, just some display related things. Well airport is going to be cheaper.

 

[paulypants]

I'm gonna have to question Think Secret's source on this one...

 

[NeatGekko]

New iPods Tomorrow

Hey everyone! I am back! New iPods tomorrow! Watch for em! The scroll wheel will be like the iPod minis, they are sweet looking! And video out! Its nice! See them soon! Cheers

 

[~Shard~]

Well, we're getting new displays tomorrow, as rumored.

It's looking like the 20 will be around 1350-1400 dollars, the 23 is looking to be 2000 dollars, and the 30 incher is going to be a whopping 3200 or so.

We got DVI, and some sort of anodized aluminum. And the rumors that the 30 incher is only going to be compatible with G5s is correct.

Well it's been a while in the making, and here it is. No imacs or anything else, just some display related things. Well airport is going to be cheaper.

Sorry, did I miss something? Where is this confirmation coming from? You sound fairly confident...