Such a box would be excellent! I'm planning to buy a new display to connect to my PowerBook. If Apple offered such a new computer I'd probably get one to go with the display so I wouldn't have to continually connect/disconnect my portable. I'm NOT going to buy a Power Mac dual for that purpose. I don't need anything that big, fast or expensive.newnomad said:
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WWDC - No iMacs, but Yes Displays?
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bkopi said:
You might want to put yourself up on eBay, then. I've never seen a mac that could send its own messages without outside direction.
I posted this in another thread, but here it is also valid
Eyegonomic Already Makes the best LCD monitors, solid aluminum
Most 19 inch and below sized models feature 360 degree swivel, both up and down, and left and right, plus they tilt and pan.
www.eyegonomic.com
Small company in Denmark, all monitors are built to order. I've been eyeing those for a long long time now... As soon as the paper with presidents heads starts to flow in, i'm making a small investment toward one of these, either 19 or 24 inch.
Eyegonomic Already Makes the best LCD monitors, solid aluminum
Most 19 inch and below sized models feature 360 degree swivel, both up and down, and left and right, plus they tilt and pan.
www.eyegonomic.com
Small company in Denmark, all monitors are built to order. I've been eyeing those for a long long time now... As soon as the paper with presidents heads starts to flow in, i'm making a small investment toward one of these, either 19 or 24 inch.
Maxx Power said:
i've seen those, gorgeous. it's not often that i see equipment that i'm envious of w/ a beautiful G5 & a Cinema Display.
let's see what steve & johnathan have in store for us this week...
What about all this new apple model 8.1 talk? Or the dwindling imac supplies?
Or the fact that the emac is now out performing the lowest spec imac? And if they can't get the G5 in the imac why wouldn't they have put the new moto chips in it for the time being?
If Apple don't update these at WWDC they would be updated the week after IMHO.
Or the fact that the emac is now out performing the lowest spec imac? And if they can't get the G5 in the imac why wouldn't they have put the new moto chips in it for the time being?
If Apple don't update these at WWDC they would be updated the week after IMHO.
Dr. Dastardly said:What about all this new apple model 8.1 talk? Or the dwindling imac supplies?
Or the fact that the emac is now out performing the lowest spec imac? And if they can't get the G5 in the imac why wouldn't they have put the new moto chips in it for the time being?
If Apple don't update these at WWDC they would be updated the week after IMHO.
My thoughts exactly. If theres no g5 you would think they'd at least update the moto chip.
Wow
I'm in Canada, and they have a headquarters right here! They were very friendly to help me out and offer any customizations and free shipping AND deductions for volume orders for business or institutional purchases, try that with Apple. Plus, the monitor is NOT production lined and has a CLEAR defective policy regarding dead pixels UNLIKE apple, who were vaque when i inquired them. Plus, if you downloaded and read the service manuals for any of the apple products, you'll see that the technician from apple is instructed to NOT tell the customers how many in quantity of the dead pixels there should be before apple needs to replace the unit(s). They may cost more, but last time i checked, Apple monitors are comparable and aren't even adjustable, plus they offer no hardware form of adjustments both physical and pictoral. And these guys are a smaller company, they can actually afford to pay attention to their clients instead of charging you 49 dollars US for a technical service phone call.
JoeG4 said:
I'm in Canada, and they have a headquarters right here! They were very friendly to help me out and offer any customizations and free shipping AND deductions for volume orders for business or institutional purchases, try that with Apple. Plus, the monitor is NOT production lined and has a CLEAR defective policy regarding dead pixels UNLIKE apple, who were vaque when i inquired them. Plus, if you downloaded and read the service manuals for any of the apple products, you'll see that the technician from apple is instructed to NOT tell the customers how many in quantity of the dead pixels there should be before apple needs to replace the unit(s). They may cost more, but last time i checked, Apple monitors are comparable and aren't even adjustable, plus they offer no hardware form of adjustments both physical and pictoral. And these guys are a smaller company, they can actually afford to pay attention to their clients instead of charging you 49 dollars US for a technical service phone call.
365 said:
I lived through that time but didn't understand why it hurt Apple. If Apple got some license fee for each system they should have been OK. My point is a little more abstract. The value of competitive teams is that it is very difficult to pick the winners in advance. If we think of several products that have been discussed but now shown (PDA, sub-notebook, headless iMac) those could have been made by third parties. If they flopped, they flopped. No skin off Apple's nose. Instead, Apple has to be super cautious about product releases. So we wind up with a limited product line.
As to how they do this, Apple could try to license OS X to third parties again. I don't know what the problem was last time. If it was just money they could set the license fee for the ROMs to counter the effect of any lost sales directly to the factory.
Alternatively, they could create multiple business units in-house. Let them fight it out for market share.
I like the first method best. This way you get product that organically survives. Imagine some little company in Japan making a one kg subnotebook. They might make compromises acceptable to the Japanese customer but which are repugnant to Apple's designers. So what? As long as they get orders they will survive. As long as Apple gets $100 or $200 a system why should they care?
Actually, I think they care because they can't compete. If someone made a nice consumer mini-tower with a G5 selling for about $700 who would buy an iMac with a G5 for $1,600 (for example)? Apple's product would be beautiful and perhaps very well made, but many people would sacrifice that. Imagine that if Apple licensed OS X to Dell. What would that look like?
I think Apple doesn't want to lose control of the industrial design and to do that they cannot allow clones.
afields said:
...and the 4X SuperDrive.
I still believe, however, that if Apple has allowed the iMac to lag behind the budget eMac, something big must be in the works, not just a minor speed bump. I'm still looking for new (in form factor and architecture) iMacs in Paris.
Also, don't forget that the "More Memory for Less" promo that includes the current iMacs ends today...
neutrino23 said:
Then you have absolutely not room to be talking or theorizing about this subject, because the entire point of limiting, then removing, licensing was that the cloners were costing Apple a lot more in revenue than the licenses were bringing in. At some point, the hemorrhaging would have gone critical and Apple Computers, not to mention the Macintosh as anything but the new hobbyist legend (i.e. Amiga), would have been a painful memory.
Read Apple's financial releases since Jobs came back. He's stabilized the company, brought them back to being profitable, and streamlined the production to the point that they're no longer losing insane amounts of money on inventory like they did in the early nineties. On top of that... Apple makes between 8 and 10 times more on hardware what they do in software.
A little simple math for Q2 2004:
Net Sales - $1,909,000,000
Gross Margin - $530,000,000
Computers Sold: 749,000
iPods Sold: 807,000
Computer Revenue: $1,160,000,000
IPod Revenue: $264,000,000
Software Sales: No record of number of units
Software Revenue: $160,000,000
Average computer revenue: $1,549
Average iPod revenue: $327
As a final note, to make up a loss of only 30% of their sales to cloners (consistent with what happened in the 1994-1997 time period), Apple would need to add $348,000,000 in software and licenses to break even with current production. Thats more than tripling the current revenue of that particular branch.
Aside from the fact that Apple's name is attached to the flopped product as the holder of the licensing rights that allowed it to be made, the already-negative perception in many of the PC using populace, and the general fickleness of the news media and their willingness to proclaim Apple's imminent death... Then there's the endless compatibility issues that, while solvable to some degree, begin to degrade the Mac OS experience for anyone who buys one of the cheap machines. The experience of needing to hunt up drivers for my CD-ROM in my PowerComputing clone still haunts me to this day - it's far too much like Windows.
Nomcompliance with the licensing terms was a big part of it, but the worst of the issues was the greed of the cloners and their attempts to take away Apple's prime business. In the years cloning was allowed, marketshare didn't grow at all and Apple lost roughly 39% of their revenue in the final year of the experiment.
Ewww.
Just... Eww.
What you're suggesting is turning the single best user experience in the computing world into a more expensive, less accepted copycat of the Windows marketing model. Opening the hardware to people using cheap components would ruin OS X and Apple.
[quoteActually, I think they care because they can't compete. If someone made a nice consumer mini-tower with a G5 selling for about $700 who would buy an iMac with a G5 for $1,600 (for example)?[/quote]
Well, there's no risk of that happening, so it's a moot point. The only way to make a $700 G5 tower would be to buy a case and put the processor on the floor of the box, with maybe another component or two. The PowerPC architecture is more expensive than PCs because of economies of scale, and the motherboards are especially affected by this.
Look up PegasOS, if you don't believe me. They sell G4s built on commodity parts that are more expensive than Apple computers.
Absolute and utter crap, with more quality control issues than you could possibly imagine at this point. The reason we hear about problems with iBooks is that mac users are more likely to find groups to talk about their issues, not because macs are more likely to fail.
You don't see DellRumors.com out there, do you?
crazy talk
no displays will be announced, a new 4th gen iPOD will be announced, touting features that make the airport express make so much more sense/ The reason I say no displays will be announced, because if something is announced related to a display, it will not be a traditional display, it will be something completly new. I had an idea about a touchscreen, where you would be able to pull up the dock, and move your finger across the screen, and choose your program. I mean, this thing could make the dock seem more intuitive. instead of worrying about a mouse, you could use your hand, and apple would create a stylus for it that is of course wireless. this won't be a tablet PC or anything, simply a touchscreen. all of this would need software, and hopefully Adobe will have jumped in and created a demo or something. and about the webcast not happening. I imagine that apple will have tons of videos ready to go on their website, therefore saving the WWDC for developers. ahhhhh I am bored and starting to dream up weird things.....loooser hahahahaha
no displays will be announced, a new 4th gen iPOD will be announced, touting features that make the airport express make so much more sense/ The reason I say no displays will be announced, because if something is announced related to a display, it will not be a traditional display, it will be something completly new. I had an idea about a touchscreen, where you would be able to pull up the dock, and move your finger across the screen, and choose your program. I mean, this thing could make the dock seem more intuitive. instead of worrying about a mouse, you could use your hand, and apple would create a stylus for it that is of course wireless. this won't be a tablet PC or anything, simply a touchscreen. all of this would need software, and hopefully Adobe will have jumped in and created a demo or something. and about the webcast not happening. I imagine that apple will have tons of videos ready to go on their website, therefore saving the WWDC for developers. ahhhhh I am bored and starting to dream up weird things.....loooser hahahahaha
ITS LOGICAL
Look first of all what i am about to say is completley 100% speculation!!!!!
New imacs HAVE to come out for the simple reason that right now they bottom line and thats not right because the emac was and is allways supposed to be bottom line. Who on earth would buy an imac over an emac now considering stats and prices!!!! you gotta be really stone to do that
Now i think they should be g5's because if they arent and tiger turns out to be a 64bit OS then well itll only run in the g5s and that isnt really very logical.
anyway who knows maybe emacs become g5 and imacs turn out to be the computers public schools will start to buy
abyway thaz my 2 cents!
Look first of all what i am about to say is completley 100% speculation!!!!!
New imacs HAVE to come out for the simple reason that right now they bottom line and thats not right because the emac was and is allways supposed to be bottom line. Who on earth would buy an imac over an emac now considering stats and prices!!!! you gotta be really stone to do that
Now i think they should be g5's because if they arent and tiger turns out to be a 64bit OS then well itll only run in the g5s and that isnt really very logical.
anyway who knows maybe emacs become g5 and imacs turn out to be the computers public schools will start to buy
abyway thaz my 2 cents!
InitialDMP4 said:
Perhaps on a laptop, but, as this poster below mentioned...
iDave said:My shoulder hurts just thinking about reaching out for the screen all the time instead of a mouse.
Very true. To move the cursor from the bottom right corner of my iMac's 17" screen to the top left corner requires approximately 3 inches of mouse movement. To do that with my finger would be considerably less convenient on a desktop system.
Squire
neutrino23 said:
At this moment in time if it wasn't for the interest gained from having nearly $5 Billion in the bank, Apple would be posting a loss every quarter, albeit a small one. If Apple were to open up their already small market to other companies, they would lose further revenue and therefore post a greater loss.
The only way that Apple could really license their OS would be to split themselves into three companies, a software company that controlled things like OSX, iTunes and Quicktime etc.. a hardware company that built computers and paid a license fee for the OS and a consumer electronics company that sold the iPod and anything else that may come along.
It's a risky strategy and would need to be preceeded by a number of near certain licensing deals with some big names. Can it be successful ... who knows, my guess is yes but it would need strong leadership because things might get tough and ultimately I think the hardware division would disappear.
Will Apple do it? no way, they are happy with their small market share and are led by a board with lots of technical ambition but very little business ambition.
thatwendigo said:
Your argument is severly flawed, reason being that at this moment Apple is a hardware company and gain little revenue from software sales. However, if they split into software and hardware divisions and the former was allowed to charge the latter a licensing fee PLUS go out and look for further licensing deals, then subject to finding a couple of BIG deals, the software company would very quickly become the larger revenue earner and the hardware company would have to either evolve or die.
JoeG4 said:
Welll, I don't know if there guys are elite, they just started in 2000, i'd say support small businesses, but depends on you.
Yeah, and an input method like the one Tom Cruise uses in Minority Report would probably send us all to the chiropractor suffering from "computer elbow". I guess we have to be careful what we wish for.iDave said:
Doctor Q said:
Yah, but it would be worth it if we could see into the future - perhaps this is another new feature that will be incorporated into Tiger...
Dr. Dastardly said:What about all this new apple model 8.1 talk? Or the dwindling imac supplies?
Or the fact that the emac is now out performing the lowest spec imac? And if they can't get the G5 in the imac why wouldn't they have put the new moto chips in it for the time being?
If Apple don't update these at WWDC they would be updated the week after IMHO.
True. the bottom of the line eMac seems like a better deal than the bottom of the line iMac. The eMac is half the price of the iMac.
Of course, if you're desperate for the LCD display and small footprint of the iMac, the difference may be worth it. But still, it's a £500 difference.
The day I buy an iMac is the day when Apple allows you to recycle the iMac as the display/dvd player/external HD for a tower. There is just no way I pay that much for a computer (other than a laptop, which should also do this) that wouldn't allow me to reuse the display when its time to upgrade.
I think it would be great if Apple sold a monitor designed just like the iMac is. But I would be even happier if I could just use the iMacs screen on another computer.
I think it would be great if Apple sold a monitor designed just like the iMac is. But I would be even happier if I could just use the iMacs screen on another computer.