i see i'm not the only native mac user who "apparently" doesn't have the system requirements to run Safari 3.0 (on my iMac Core 2 Duo, with 70GB free space)... ???
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WWDC: Safari For Windows
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3. Drag a tab away from the tab bar to open the tab in a new window (pretty cool!) THIS DOES NOT WORK ON VISTA... has anyone tried? or is it just me?
Did you move Safari out of the Applications root folder?
That seemed to solve a lot of the not meeting requirements crowd's problems.
Edit: Putting Safari back in the Applications folder seemed to solve the problem.. not moving it out...
I haven't yet had the chance to try the new Safari on Windows, but I will probably do so tonight.
However, from what I am reading, it looks like it will be like iTunes can be on windows: like a Windows program. See, whenever I go to a Windows computer, I am faced with a bunch of programs that don't run too well: they are either clunky, slow, or buggy. And it appears Safari may be the same way, which would be disappointing. Still, the interface can't be much worse than IE7's, which is TERRIBLE, and depending on the system may hardly work at all.
However, from what I am reading, it looks like it will be like iTunes can be on windows: like a Windows program. See, whenever I go to a Windows computer, I am faced with a bunch of programs that don't run too well: they are either clunky, slow, or buggy. And it appears Safari may be the same way, which would be disappointing. Still, the interface can't be much worse than IE7's, which is TERRIBLE, and depending on the system may hardly work at all.
Hi guys. I've been long time mac user (since os 8.6) reading the forums for a while now but this is my virgin post here. Just wondering if any of you have tried right clicking in your browser window. Cool tool they have here.
Seems like it calls up an Aperture/iPhoto-ish HUD. Pretty cool if you're interested in how a site is coded or debugging a website.
I'm not seeing this here. Did you have to do something special to get that menu option?
I also use CHAX and am having problems with ichat with Safari 3. it is really slow to chat
let me conclude the problems
1. core engine is not mature on windows, CSS rendering problem, no font show up at all, etc, these are KHTML/Webkit related, not sure apple can do anything about it.
2. application porting problem, break windows UI, under Vista, nice and pretty shadow of every window disappeared in safari, can not re-size window on the border, etc
3. resource hog, don't even try to compare to firefox, firefox will use 300MB+ memory, but rarely, this safari normally go up to 200MB+,
4. stability, crash here and there
among them, I fully expect #4 to be solved upon final release, I have no delusion apple will even try to solve others.
1. core engine is not mature on windows, CSS rendering problem, no font show up at all, etc, these are KHTML/Webkit related, not sure apple can do anything about it.
2. application porting problem, break windows UI, under Vista, nice and pretty shadow of every window disappeared in safari, can not re-size window on the border, etc
3. resource hog, don't even try to compare to firefox, firefox will use 300MB+ memory, but rarely, this safari normally go up to 200MB+,
4. stability, crash here and there
among them, I fully expect #4 to be solved upon final release, I have no delusion apple will even try to solve others.
oh right... funny i didn't think of that... i really hope Mac OS 10.5 doesn't bully users into using apple's "applications" folder, but i'm sure it will be the same old story...
also... i've decided not to bother with this beta... it seems problematic, and seriously not worth the worry just to move tabs and find text in a prettier way... Safari 2.0.4 is great for now...
I must concur... and I must say that is very smart observation... in 2 years time I bet windows users will drop around 10%! that including windoze apps like IE7, and hopefully the horendous(ly overpriced) office suite.
FINALY
This is big news to web designers and even bigger news for mac users. Safari neither acted like FF or IE so there was a ton of websites that didnt work right in Safari.
This makes designers lives easier and it will make for a VASTLY better experience for mac users using Safari (I like safari more than FF but damn there are so many sites that are jacked up in safari, I hate having to load up FF to use just one site). 90% of websites are still made on PC and up till now there was no possible way for people to make sure their sites work right on a mac.
Anyone who negatives this because its now on windows is amazingly short sighted, Apple was only hurting the mac browsing experience and the success of safari by not giving windows designers a version to test with.
This is big news to web designers and even bigger news for mac users. Safari neither acted like FF or IE so there was a ton of websites that didnt work right in Safari.
This makes designers lives easier and it will make for a VASTLY better experience for mac users using Safari (I like safari more than FF but damn there are so many sites that are jacked up in safari, I hate having to load up FF to use just one site). 90% of websites are still made on PC and up till now there was no possible way for people to make sure their sites work right on a mac.
Anyone who negatives this because its now on windows is amazingly short sighted, Apple was only hurting the mac browsing experience and the success of safari by not giving windows designers a version to test with.
I agree. In fact I think it's clearly a Google and Apple joint strategy:
1. Intro Safari for Windows.
2. Intro iPhone app development via Safari.
3. Optimise the Google services experience for Safari (Maybe Google will go so far as to reccomend Safari/Firefox as preferred browsers). Perhaps integrate with dot mac.
4. Take on the Office / productivity market with services you can use anywhere, whether you're on a Mac, iPhone or Windows.
5. Maybe get some switchers along the way.
Either way, Apple get 'in the cloud' productivity software that's tightly integrated among all devices and OS's, that will probably sync back to 'offline' apps as well - all neatly optimised for their browser and OS, blah blah if you get my drift!
Maybe I'm analysing too much, but as a motivation to develop Safari for Windows, I think this has to be high up there.
So, those of you with issues with Safari 3, can you give examples of web pages that are loading slower in Safari than in Firefox?
I've opened 20 tabs, web pages chosen randomly from my bookmarks, in both Safari and Firefox, and Safari is faster at loading on each one.
With 20 tabs open it's using 160MB memory, while Firefox is using 110MB with the same tabs. Neither are currently using appreciable CPU cycles.
Edit: On closing all tabs, memory usage drops to 151 MB on Safari and 78MB on FF. So it seems it doesn't (immediately) release RAM. This seems like something that would be fixable in future betas.
I've opened 20 tabs, web pages chosen randomly from my bookmarks, in both Safari and Firefox, and Safari is faster at loading on each one.
With 20 tabs open it's using 160MB memory, while Firefox is using 110MB with the same tabs. Neither are currently using appreciable CPU cycles.
Edit: On closing all tabs, memory usage drops to 151 MB on Safari and 78MB on FF. So it seems it doesn't (immediately) release RAM. This seems like something that would be fixable in future betas.
oh right... funny i didn't think of that... i really hope Mac OS 10.5 doesn't bully users into using apple's "applications" folder, but i'm sure it will be the same old story...
also... i've decided not to bother with this beta... it seems problematic, and seriously not worth the worry just to move tabs and find text in a prettier way... Safari 2.0.4 is great for now...
That's actually one of my biggest gripes since Spotlight came out. I often re-organized my Applications folder into more manageable folders only to have Software update re-install extra copies of updated software. You have the ***** database where everything is, USE IT! Why install the updated app in the default location without checking to see if the user moved it.
I got tired of having to re-move all my apps after updates and got out of this habit, but it still irks me.
What version of OS X are you running? Safari 3 requires 10.4.9.
Running fine for me on my iMac c2d. Actually, better then fine. This thing is fast. The inline search is, hands down, the best of any browser. The text box resize feature, which works here at Macrumors, is also terrific.
Am I the only person who really can't see the point of Apple devoting resources to the task of porting Webkit to Windows? Why does Windows need another browser? It already has all the bases covered, IE7 for people who don't know any better, Firefox for people who are intelligent and Opera for those who like it's... uniqueness.
Surely instead of giving some programmers the job of executing this, in my opinion, pointless task they should have put those programmers on the Leopard team? Maybe then we could at least have it a few days earlier.
I don't even use Safari on my Macbook, I use Firefox 2 and I couldn't possibly be any happier with it
Surely instead of giving some programmers the job of executing this, in my opinion, pointless task they should have put those programmers on the Leopard team? Maybe then we could at least have it a few days earlier.
I don't even use Safari on my Macbook, I use Firefox 2 and I couldn't possibly be any happier with it
I've installed it on both my iBook/Tiger and Windows XP machines.
On XP: Really not caring for it. It feels a lot slower than my other browsers, it breaks the Windows GUI model. They keep destroying the consistency on Windows and that isn't cool. Yahoo mail claimed not to support browser, but let me proceed anyways into mail Beta and it seemed fine (unlike on my iBook; see below). Haven't seen any memory issues, no more than Firefox. When minimized it actually shrank to less than 3MB.
On iBook: Runs good so far. Seems a little quicker. Only had a problem with Yahoo mail saying that they do not support the browser, but that's a Yahoo problem, not Apple problem. It forced me to use classic mode. Oddly though, it worked fine on Windows Safari. Don't care for the snapback. Wish I could tell it what page to snap back to, then it'd be useful for me.
I'll continues to play with both versions. Hopefully the Windows version will get better, an if it doesn't I'll just stick with Firefox.
On XP: Really not caring for it. It feels a lot slower than my other browsers, it breaks the Windows GUI model. They keep destroying the consistency on Windows and that isn't cool. Yahoo mail claimed not to support browser, but let me proceed anyways into mail Beta and it seemed fine (unlike on my iBook; see below). Haven't seen any memory issues, no more than Firefox. When minimized it actually shrank to less than 3MB.
On iBook: Runs good so far. Seems a little quicker. Only had a problem with Yahoo mail saying that they do not support the browser, but that's a Yahoo problem, not Apple problem. It forced me to use classic mode. Oddly though, it worked fine on Windows Safari. Don't care for the snapback. Wish I could tell it what page to snap back to, then it'd be useful for me.
I'll continues to play with both versions. Hopefully the Windows version will get better, an if it doesn't I'll just stick with Firefox.
I think Safari for Windows is a good idea, I just hope everyone who tries it at this point and has problems (like I did) remembers that it's still in the beta phase and problems are to be expected with any piece of beta software.