WWDC: Safari For Windows

[atszyman]

I think Safari for Windows is essentially a waste of time..

I rather see Apple concentrate on what they do best, not create new Windows apps...

This one I can actually see being a good thing.

If you think about it most of us are tied to some sort of PC for work or gaming. Many of us perfer our Macs for our home time, or to use while browsing and other internet activities. Given that it's nice to only have to learn one browser to do your browsing having Safari available on both platforms will keep some people from switching to Firefox to remain consistent across their computers, thus increasing Safari's share of the browser market. I know quite a few Mac users who use Firefox so they can stick to one browser on their Windows and OS X boxes. With the availability of Safari they might change their minds. Especially if Apple comes up with a good way to sync the Windows and OS X Safari versions. Maybe something using Bonjour.

 

[pazzo83]

Safari is taking up about 500 MB of RAM on my POS Dell laptop at work.

 

[JagWire]

installation issues

for those of you getting the whole "disk does not meet the requirements" error thing when you install S3 on OS X, make sure that your Safari v2 or v1 is in the applications folder. i had moved mine to another folder, but when i moved it back it installed and has been functioning perfectly thus far. much faster than firefox on everything i've tried it on so far.

i also tried it out on XP SP2. worked great, no problems at all there. also faster than firefox on my box.

scrolling feels excellent on OS X as well.

 

[happylittlemac]

Well I'm using the new browser on my MacBook I've not seen any vast improvements over v2.0 but for me it was a great small web browser that is now for Windows too. I did get my first crash testing the browser with the Acid2 test it displayed it well tho.

 

[dswoodley]

I think Safari for Windows is essentially a waste of time..

I rather see Apple concentrate on what they do best, not create new Windows apps...

Like others have said. The reason they did this is obvious. WIndows users will use the iPhone too. They'll want a consistent web browsing experience. IE on the iPhone will never happen, the only option is Safari on Windows.

 

[pseudostatik]

Others on Macs are having trouble seeing this.

Are you in authoring? Is it possible you have software that now works with Safari to enable that feature?

Now that you've mentioned it I do have the 'Debug' menu item enabled using Safari Enhancer. Had it since 2.0. But I just took a look and the items in the debug menu has changed a significant bit.

 

[viperguy]

Ok, I give up.
Rlly.
I can't even open it, it automatically crashes.
Call me back when beta 2 arrives.
Disapointed.

 

[jvega1976]

Problem with proxy

You will have a problem, if you have a proxy activate. When you work with a proxy, Safari crash.

 

[EricNau]

Has the "Installed Plugins" always been an option under the Help menu? ...That's interesting.

 

[CoreWeb]

Now that you've mentioned it I do have the 'Debug' menu item enabled using Safari Enhancer. Had it since 2.0. But I just took a look and the items in the debug menu has changed a significant bit.

The debug menu can be enabled through command-line plist modification:

defaults write com.apple.Safari IncludeDebugMenu 1

It probably also decides whether "Inspect Element" will show up. Inspect Element has been in WebKit nightlies for quite awhile now, and I'm glad to see it coming in the real Safari.

 

[Simon R.]

I haven't seen any differences; cosmetic, performance-wise, preferences or anything from V2 to V3 beta. I guess most of the new stuff will be in Leopard only...

 

[clevin]

I just couldn't figure out why apple could not port safari 3 to windows with webkit core and utilized windows widgets. Reading the feedback here and neowin.net, this app definitely can not be called "beta", I never saw a beta as unstable as this one.

I do think apple will resolve the crash issue in final release, but I don't expect apple to make it into a real windows native app, which means the app speed will always be less than normal.and resource hog

 

[eenu]

nice to still see the about box says Apple Computer Inc not Apple Inc

 

[milo]

what's the error you're getting? maybe i can be of help... cuz i just fixed mine...

I just figured it out too...looks like you have to have safari in the original location with the original name - it's an update install and can't install a fresh version.

I thought that's how my machine was when I first tried, but maybe not.

 

[ClaphamChris]

Subjective, so...

On a 20" Core Duo iMac 2Ghz. Reasonably recent (last weekend) install of XP Pro. 2 gig RAM.

On XP, Safari flies. Really fast for me.

On OS X, more of the same. Not intolerably slow, but noticeably more sluggish.

That said, downloading files via XP is WAY faster than in OS X - get 4mbps in XP and about 3mbps in OS X.

Wondering if these things are related...

 

[dvonbieker]

A good thing in the end

Well, I think a lot of us are missing the point here.

For me, Firefox is slower than Safari on Mac, and so I have used Safari always unless it didn't work for some WYSIWYG editors. Hopefully that issue disappears soon. The ability to sync bookmarks across my Macs is just too beautiful.

They want Windows users because it will up the marketshare overall for Safari. I know as a web developer that Safari's marketshare does not make it a huge compatibility concern when developing right now. Hence the lack of support in a lot of web apps. So, how do they get web-app and website developers to make sure things work right in Safari? (which will become hugely important on the iPhone where safari is the only browser option)

Make safari more important. Up its' market share. How to do that? Port it to Windows.

If people on Windows want a taste of the Mac experience - or more of what iTunes offers (I predict that will be a good handful), they will try Safari. If they like it, market share increases, Apple sells more iPhones, creates another halo effect and all of us who use Safari get more support for it.

So, I think we are on the road to something good here.

Now if I could only get it to run on my iMac G5

(running great on my Macbook now - had to remove add-ons.

 

[chrisgeleven]

The new find feature in Safari is sick. Best one in the market so far.

Might even be enough to get me to switch from Firefox...

Surprised there is no phishing detection yet (or the colored URL bar telling you if you are in a secure site or not). Firefox is much better in this department.

 

[daneoni]

You don't see any difference? It's a LOT faster than Safari 2.0, at least on my Mac mini G4/1.42GHz.

Not for me...in fact i'd go as far as saying Safari 2.0 is faster than Safari 3.0

 

[plinden]

Now that you've mentioned it I do have the 'Debug' menu item enabled using Safari Enhancer. Had it since 2.0. But I just took a look and the items in the debug menu has changed a significant bit.

Yes, to get the inspector item on right click, you need to enable Debug in Safari.

In Terminal, type:

defaults write com.apple.Safari IncludeDebugMenu 1

That's OS X of course. I'm trying to find a way of enabling it in Windows.

Edit: the Safari look in Windows is beginning to grow on me. Those of you who don't like it, give it a chance.

 

[rendezvouscp]

Has the "Installed Plugins" always been an option under the Help menu? ...That's interesting.

Yes.
-Chasen

 

[LeviG]

finally got the words showing on my xp setup (theres a post showing how to do it on the apple discussion forum). Have to say its slow compared with my firefox, admittedly the fasterfox plugin, but theres a good half second on some pages comparing the load times. The benchmarks must have been against a stock firefox install.

 

[CoreWeb]

I haven't seen any differences; cosmetic, performance-wise, preferences or anything from V2 to V3 beta. I guess most of the new stuff will be in Leopard only...

Have you tried dragging the tabs around?

 

[Detlev]

Downloaded a.s.a.p. No problems here. Nice to have a stable version so far. 2.x was crashing all the time. Really like the inline find feature and the resizing of text boxes. The Tab-to-window might come in useful. Definitely speedier (thank goodness). The spell check works on sites it did not before, yeah!

Anyone notice the pictures on the Apple site do not match the version we have? Look at the Edit menu and the pictures of the Edit menu on their site.

I am not seeing the Yahoo search field. Did I misunderstand? I would still like to add my own search engine choices to the bar like in FF.

 

[Lixivial]

Does Safari 3 install a new Dock or something? Installing it reset my Dock and now it won't work with the utilities I use to customize it.

How do I revert to the old Dock?

Yes, it does so to update its Dashboard compatibility. I backed up my Dock.app and frameworks before installing (even though the old Safari works just find with those frameworks in place). Which reminds me... is anyone else's Dashboard mixed up (attachment)?

The resizable input textboxes, rearrangeable tabs and find features are quite a nice treat.

I think Safari for Windows is essentially a waste of time..

As has been said, iPhone development is the main reason this was released.

 

[Mpulsive81]

Resources galore!

Yes 93,624k! Largest resource on my work pc.