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WWDC: Safari For Windows

Wow....

I have not used Safari in over a year... my number one complaint has always been it is SOOOO SLOW it is not useable. I have always used Camino ...

WELL SAFARI I AM BACK !!! 3.0 is FAST! THANK YOU !!! It is about FRICKEN TIME!!!
 
rainydays said:
That is, if anyone will actually use it.
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I'm sure they will. Apple have taken over with iTunes, and the find function, and speed will be killers. Right now, its too buggy. I wonder if there will be a converter of sorts for Safari add-ons...Inquisitor will switch a TON of people...
 
Well, this Find feature is great, although it's the same in Firefox. But! Another great feature that I like much is that you can "tab out" your window and make it separately while dragging it on desktop. It's really great. So far, resizable text fields also very good!
 
virtualdrew said:
who cares if safari is now available for windoze. all i want is rich text editing!
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A number of rich text editors work with Safari 3 and more are coming:

http://mail.google.com/mail/
http://docs.google.com/
http://tinymce.moxiecode.com/example_advanced.php?example=true
http://www.fckeditor.net/nightly/browsers_test.html
http://www.vox.com/compose
http://wordpress.com/
http://cutesoft.net/example/general.aspx

A lot has changed in Safari 3, but it will take a few months for developers to take notice and unblock Safari.
 
Safari is 10 times faster

I have just completed the CSS test

http://www.howtocreate.co.uk/csstest.html
( You just have to download and open the file in all the browsers).
After repeating the test several times, here is the average.

( All the tests are done on Windows XP SP2)
IE 6 : 730 ms
Firefox: 680 ms
Safari : 65 ms

Safari is 10 times faster than IE and Firefox on CSS Test.

Cheers!!!
 
well being able to rearrange tabs (finally) and drag them out is useful, but how about dragging a new window into a tab when it is not in tabbed form?
 
pyrex said:
well being able to rearrange tabs (finally) and drag them out is useful, but how about dragging a new window into a tab when it is not in tabbed form?
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Not quite the same as it affects all windows but under Window there is an option called "merge all windows" which puts any windows together in one window as tabs.
 
psychofreak said:
I'm sure they will. Apple have taken over with iTunes, and the find function, and speed will be killers. Right now, its too buggy. I wonder if there will be a converter of sorts for Safari add-ons...Inquisitor will switch a TON of people...
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So just because iTunes was successful you expect Safari to be it too? That's a bit naive.
iTunes is successful because Apple has a good reputation when it comes to media players. Safari however doesn't have much of a reputation at all. In fact, most people have never heard of it.
Speed and a cool find function isn't really enough to make people switch.
It has taken Firefox a long time with the support from a huge community to actually gain some market share.
Safari got its market share from being the default browser on macs. Not by choice.
 
rainydays said:
So just because iTunes was successful you expect Safari to be it too? That's a bit naive.
iTunes is successful because Apple has a good reputation when it comes to media players. Safari however doesn't have much of a reputation at all. In fact, most people have never heard of it.
Speed and a cool find function isn't really enough to make people switch.
It has taken Firefox a long time with the support from a huge community to actually gain some market share.
Safari got its market share from being the default browser on macs. Not by choice.
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I used FF for a while. I made the choice to switch to Safari. Safari has most of the advantages of FF over IE, and more...
 
mrrory said:
It looks unbalanced with the "File, Edit" menus in the window...

Still, it'll be nice to have another alternative to Firefox for PC.
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I agree about the weirdness of those options.
I showed it to someone but they feel the top part's too overbearing but it's just the fact that there's no menu bar.
There's also no Ctrl+Backspace. :/
 
Got it. Works like a charm. Somehow looks very ugly, like Windows iTunes (Windows AA and font "smoothing"?). Works like a charm. Very pleased. le w00t.

Now get iChat on Windows! But call it an end there.
 
let me make my first "real experience" based comments: :D

1. need restart ater installaion, I haven't see any app need rebooting of windows for a long long time, wonder why safari needs it

2. very nice aqua widgets

3. ppl using vista, like me, really like the new shadow effects of the window, and safari totally break it. heck, safari 3 even break itself's UI when maximize on my vista,

4. 4 tabs, macrumors/google/msnbc/yahoo, netscape navigator 9 beta1 takes 38.7 MB ram, safari takes 106.5MB, this is a MAJOR RESOURCE HOG! I can't imagine myself using it as default browser like this

5. tab/tab bar lack of control,

6, nice search feature

7. difficult to re-size window

8. it is NOT faster than firefox in any meaningful sense.
NOT crash yet, in 5 minutes of using.

PS. ppl don't use a browser purely because of speed, otherwise, opera should be #1 already.

I think its very proper to quote some osx user used to comment on firefox-mac, "this safari just don't feel like windows-ish", especially on vista. for this quality, I'd be shocked if it has any chance to do better than opera. consider opera is faster, lighter, more feature rich.

figure is 8 tabs
 

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Can't see anyone using it

Sorry, but it's pants. Safari always has been IMHO. I'll apologise now if I'm insulting your gene pool, but I've never understood why anyone would want to use it when there's much better browsers out there, e.g. Firefox.

Why's Firefox better? Simple, all the addons. I just can't live without Adblock and Mouse Gestures (which is a copy of Opera's idea).

Its bad enough on the Mac where, as a Mac user, I'm moderately used to going to sites that won't work with Firefox, but there's far more sites that won't work on Safari as it has just too many bugs/issues/features for use as a common browser.

When you compare Safari with IE -- which is *far* more tolerant of coding bugs so there's very few sites that won't work in IE that will work on Firefox/Safari -- the average Windows punter just ain't gonna stick with Safari.

The *only* use for Safari (apart from would-be Mac fanboys) is for testing a website for Safari compatibility on Windows. And that bunch of people aren't going to even register in the noise against the people using the bug-ridden piece of crap that is Internet Exploder.

I'll give Steve one thing, he certainly fantasises way outside of reality.

Even so, I'm glad to see it available on Windows.

If only the 11th secret thingie of Leopard was running OSX on non-Apple hardware:)
 
Generally I think it's an improvement, the tabs feature is great, and the speed, well.....It's a lot faster for me.
My only quibbles are that; 1. My gMail widgets no longer work, 2. I'm stuck with the horrible brushed aluminum look as shape-shifter doesn't work on it for some reason.

One more thing......why does the US site have the new look, and the UK site is stuck with the 'old fashioned' look



Cheers Mikee
 
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