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WWDC: Safari For Windows
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sigh, after some experience, its a shame for apple to call this piece of app as "world best browser", its clearly not under windows, if apple think this is best, what would windows users think of apple's ability to deliver quality apps?
Bottom line, its not even close to a beta, and if its a beta indeed, safari would not have any chance to success under windows.
Maybe KHTML is just not ready for windows yet.
Bottom line, its not even close to a beta, and if its a beta indeed, safari would not have any chance to success under windows.
Maybe KHTML is just not ready for windows yet.
I. Not sure
II. Yeah I noticed this too, I reported it to Apple as bug.
III. Ah this is one I think I know, go to "Edit-Prefrences-Apperance tab-Font smoothing" Light is the thinnest.
This Safari Beta thing is really weird. Installed at work PC and it actually runs well, great even. No crashes, very speedy.
I get home and install Safari to my home PC - same specs (both Dell) and nothing works. No fonts, no menus, even the bug report icon crashes (as someone said previously).
If was a potential switcher based on this installation alone I think I'd be scared to death.
Happened to me as well-how do we fix this?
I still don't know what to say to this... I guess I'm more in favor of it than against it. At least it's not a major Mac-only application that makes us proud to be Mac users, for example iLife. I suppose sharing Safari with Windows users is a kind gesture. 
Sorry, but it's pants. Safari always has been IMHO. I'll apologise now if I'm insulting your gene pool, but I've never understood why anyone would want to use it when there's much better browsers out there, e.g. Firefox.
Why's Firefox better? Simple, all the addons. I just can't live without Adblock and Mouse Gestures (which is a copy of Opera's idea).
Its bad enough on the Mac where, as a Mac user, I'm moderately used to going to sites that won't work with Firefox, but there's far more sites that won't work on Safari as it has just too many bugs/issues/features for use as a common browser.
When you compare Safari with IE -- which is *far* more tolerant of coding bugs so there's very few sites that won't work in IE that will work on Firefox/Safari -- the average Windows punter just ain't gonna stick with Safari.
The *only* use for Safari (apart from would-be Mac fanboys) is for testing a website for Safari compatibility on Windows. And that bunch of people aren't going to even register in the noise against the people using the bug-ridden piece of crap that is Internet Exploder.
I'll give Steve one thing, he certainly fantasises way outside of reality.
Even so, I'm glad to see it available on Windows.
If only the 11th secret thingie of Leopard was running OSX on non-Apple hardware
Firefox better? Certainly not for everyone. Seriously do you think that 5% of web users are morons or something? Firefox ad ons are mostly crapware. Safari's RSS reader is infinitely better. Interface and commands are more mac-like (obviously) which means less commands to remember. It is faster in most installations I've seen. For that 5% it's obviously a good choice for them.
I was kind of expecting the Leopard UI theme, and maybe even the Leopard roll-your-own widgets tool. So when it launched I thought nothing had changed But lots of stuff has changed, like Find. I like it.
You can do that, you just have to have the Tab bar visible (Cmd-Shift-T).
But lots of stuff has changed, like Find. I like it.You can do that, you just have to have the Tab bar visible (Cmd-Shift-T).
I agree it is clearly not ready. Right now it just a poorly port program. If they think it hte world best browser then Apple is fully of crap because it not even using the things in windows that apple really needs to add in there os (being able to resize the windows from any side) and then it is buggy as hell. I though about using it as a back up browser for firefox on my windows box but I had to move back to IE7. IE7 at least works on windows.
What You Talkin' Bout Willis?
No complaints here. Installed without a hitch on my antique, and after extensive browsing all afternoon Safari 3 is noticeably faster than ver. 2, the new features all function as they should, and that annoying Flash rendering bug seems to have been corrected.
So, the same old no fuss no muss Mac "experience" for me. Of course, the competition would like to make it appear otherwise....
No complaints here. Installed without a hitch on my antique, and after extensive browsing all afternoon Safari 3 is noticeably faster than ver. 2, the new features all function as they should, and that annoying Flash rendering bug seems to have been corrected.
So, the same old no fuss no muss Mac "experience" for me. Of course, the competition would like to make it appear otherwise....
I downloaded it earlier, and it doesn't seem much different. Aside from inline spell-checking on every goddamn text field possible and the new and improved "find" feature that works via toolbar instead of pop-up window. nice one, apple; can't wait to find out more.
I respect your choice, but saying that every Safari user is using it by choice is just wrong. You'd be lucky if even 5% of the Safari users has actually tried any alternative and made an active choice.
Most people just use the browser that ships with the OS and don't bother looking for alternatives.
Do you think every IE user out there has made the choice to use IE?
By the way, where does the 5% number come from? I've seen a lot of web browser statistics but I've never seen Safari go that high on general sites.
Perhaps it's US only?
I've been running Safari on my PC desktop, and I must say, I'm pretty wowed! Considering its a beta and all, its pretty sweet I'd say. Its just like I'm back on my Mac! Its pretty uncanny how its like almost exactly like Safari on OS X
Having said that, wasnt too too impressed with the Stevenote. It kinda sucked actually
Having said that, wasnt too too impressed with the Stevenote. It kinda sucked actually
She's a no go here. Prolly something simple;
surely one of those cryptic error messages from the "Get a Mac" ads ?
surely one of those cryptic error messages from the "Get a Mac" ads ?
I hate to tell you this but Mac-like == hidden to most people until they stumble over it. Faster is relative. OMG its 10% faster...so it loads in 9 seconds instead of 10. And as for the crapware add ons. You simply haven't been using the right add ons then. And Firefox composes a heck of a lot more then 5%. Right now it's hovering in the 13%-ish range.
I downloaded it at work, where I use a PC on XP, and I just installed it on my MBP at home - going to try to use it as a main browser and see how it behaves.
Dude, as beta software it's meant to be buggy...if not it wouldn't be Beta it would be final release, right?
And when he says it's the best browser, well, that's what he believes (Steve) and wants other people to believe, but you don't actually have to believe him.
I use Safari on my Mac as my main browser and have only encountered very few websites that won't work or load properly - it's then when I use Firefox.
But other than that it's a pretty neat browser.
And yeah, it's buggy, but it's expected to be. I'm using it at home (Mac) and at work (XP) and gonna see how it goes.
There's a secondary reason and could be the main reason for Apple to release Safari on Windows. To develop web apps for the iPhone. Having Safari browser on Windows allow developers on Windows to check if their stuff works. If it works in Safari, it will work on the iPhone. Increasing Safari marketshare is just something nice to have. Safari is not going to make people switch to Macs.