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Here we go, the battle of the copycats.. No justice for the end-user who needs to pay for all these frivolous actions. We've been milked quite well, now even more blindfolded. They say, there's always a choice.. it's up to us to support silently or not support all this BS.
 
But Apple opened themselves up for it, which is stupid.

In the past, they could always claim that users should've used the included cable and charger. Now, Apple themselves told users to use their existing chargers, whatever that is. It's an unwise decision imo.

In a sane justice system, Apple should not be at fault either way.
To reiterate the car analogy from another post here, should the car manufacturer be liable if I put Diesel in my gasoline tank and that wrecks the engine, just because the manufacturer didn't provide me with enough gasoline for all my driving? Insane!

I remember that in the past people still used bad cables and bad chargers and tried to blame it on Apple.
So no matter what they do, because Apple has deep pockets, people try to extort money from them even with frivolous claims.
 
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How Samsung respond to new iPhones:
1. Make fun of it.
2. Incorporate the things that they just made fun of into their new product.
 
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In a sane justice system, Apple should not be at fault either way.
To reiterate the car analogy from another post here, should the car manufacturer be liable if I put Diesel in my gasoline tank and that wrecks the engine, just because the manufacturer didn't provide me with enough gasoline for all my driving? Insane!

I remember that in the past people still used bad cables and bad chargers and tried to blame it on Apple.
So no matter what they do, because Apple has deep pockets, people try to extort money from them even with frivolous claims.
The car manufacturer stated a specific requirement for fuel.

Apple didn't say that users must use Apple's own charger. They said users can use their existing chargers, with no mention of specifics. Considering the nature of litigations in the US, it is quite interesting that Apple lawyers missed this. The least Apple should've done is list the required specifications of the chargers, eg. the voltage and current requirements.
 
I've been using Samsung phones since I ditched my 4s for an S4 (haha, I know), but Samsung really needs to get their marketing teams in a room with their hardware and sales teams and hash this stupid ideology to mock Apple out of their company.

A company will do what they can get away with to minimize costs and maximize profits, and getting rid of the adapters is one way to do that (regardless of Apple's laughable "environmental" excuse).

The thing is, Samsung hardware is outstanding. And lately they have minimized their spin on Android, so the two work really well together.

They need to position themselves as an alternative to Apple by showing their own strengths. And they have many.

I wish they did like both Microsoft and Apple stopped taking jabs at each other a decade or so ago, and focus on the product.
I agree. When I grew up in Europe, advertising was not allowed to refer to identifiable competitors. That was changed in the 90s, but I think it is still considered a bit of bad style and heavily regulated, so it remains very rare. Seeing foreign ads that do this, even when it is more oblique like here (Samsung does not actually name Apple, I think) always comes off as awkward to me, and it leaves an unflattering impression of the advertiser. The same was true years ago when I first saw those "Mac vs PC" ads by Apple - they made Apple look like an obnoxious wannabe that could not stand on its own merits. I'm glad they have become more aloof in this regard, and I wish Samsung would learn from that as well. They make some good products that deserve better.
 
Apple didn't say that users must use Apple's own charger. They said users can use their existing chargers, with no mention of specifics. Considering the nature of litigations in the US, it is quite interesting that Apple lawyers missed this. The least Apple should've done is list the required specifications of the chargers, eg. the voltage and current requirements.

I am using third party chargers for iPad, iPhone and MacBook Pro for a long time now, without problems.
USB charging is pretty standard these days, it mostly just works, but you might not get fastest charging without knowing what you're doing. So Apple's statement is absolutely correct, use your existing USB charger.
 
I am using third party chargers for iPad, iPhone and MacBook Pro for a long time now, without problems.
USB charging is pretty standard these days, it mostly just works, but you might not get fastest charging without knowing what you're doing. So Apple's statement is absolutely correct, use your existing USB charger.
Then if something goes wrong, Apple can be liable.
 
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Well we all knew it was going to happen that Samsung would follow the precedent Apple set but I have to admit I was expecting next year when people had actually forgotten about their current campaign! Perhaps their marketing team had not yet been informed
 
I mean, we know Samsung are a junk company. They mirror the android fanboy attitude that is obsessed with apple and telling everyone how much better they are than apple. We also know that people have the memory of a fish and won't give a single **** that Samsung have said this and then done the exact same thing a year later.
 
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Apple's decision to remove chargers is stupid.

They tell people you have enough old chargers from old phones. Sure, we do. But they're all freakin USB-A connectors, for anyone that's been an iPhone/iPad user...

What do they include in the box? A lightning to USB-C cable...

Sure we might already have lightning cables to go with those chargers, but those break, get lost all the time. The chargers don't. I still have one from my iPhone 3G - yes the one without the green dot that I never replaced. I still use it at the cottage.

If profits are so god damn important, they should have stuck with a basic 5W power charger that's gotta cost pennies on the dollar after all this time. You want a faster one? buy one. But you still have a basic no frills charger you can use anywhere and use it out of the box.

Earbuds i dont really care much for, that can go the way of the dodo. But not including a basic charger for a device that needs DAILY charging, is stupid.
I’m usually an Apple sheep, but wholeheartedly agree with this.
 
I wonder how long until the first lawsuit because someone bought a crappy no-brand charger from a mall kiosk and it caught fire, burning down their house.

At least by including a charger with every phone, Apple and Samsung ensure that most people are using a high quality charger. Now everyone who buys a new phone will have to buy a charger if they don't have one, and you know people will go for the cheapest garbage that does the job.
People do that but I never understood why. Buy a $700+ item and think a $5 charger from the dollar store is going to be a good charger. Some cheaper cases are decent enough, but I’m not trusting any cheap electrical device like that.
 
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I guess that can only happen in america, where common sense is not a thing. Because how is apple liable for a consumer's choice to go with a garbage charger? If your house burns down, sue the manufacturer of the charger, not the company, whose device you were trying to charge with that POS power brick.
We have a loooooot of lawyers here, and a court system that basically lets you attempt to sue someone for anything.
 
But Samsung can at least claim they saved the environment. Because their chargers have a high tendency of being low quality waste that just ends up in drawer as spare part anyway... I remember well when stuff didn't charge with (suspiciously light) Samsung chargers because their chargers supplied 5V 500mA over a long an thin cable... which likely resulted in a voltage drop below 4,85V.
Meanwhile Apple chargers are specced 5,1V at least to compensate for the drop.
USB-C PD prevents issues like that, but I doubt the quality of the charger increased...
 
I imagine for stuff like this, other companies are just happy to wait for Apple to do the anti consumer stuff first so that they can take up most of the flak.

It’s pretty cringy to read threads like this full of “all Samsung do is copy” and “Samsung have never had an original idea”. I swear I’ve been watching Samsung do all sorts of crazy **** with phones even before the smartphone era for 20 years - some of it works, some of it doesn’t - but unoriginal they are not.
 
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So you’re being cheap and it’s someone else’s fault?

No. The plaintiff was being thrifty in these difficult times and had the tacit approval of the manufacturer that the third party product he was buying was safe for use with the manufacturer’s product. After all, he bought it at a kiosk with a big sign that said “iPhone 12 Chargers Sold Here” which was located right outside the manufacture’s store located in the mall. Why would the plaintiff believe it was not safe to use?

Any way, that’s the argument you’ll get.
 
I don’t get why they mock everything apple does, only for them to do the same thing. Just stay quiet.
Because it gets an unfortunate few to buy their phones by feeding them some Apple hate. it's a marketing strategy that almost every smartphone manufacturer has used in some form at some time.
 
Not including a power adapter does indeed do something for the environment. Of course Apple is also saving money in the process, but you can't deny that it's also good for the environment. 🤷‍♂️
 
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No. The plaintiff was being thrifty in these difficult times and had the tacit approval of the manufacturer that the third party product he was buying was safe for use with the manufacturer’s product. After all, he bought it at a kiosk with a big sign that said “iPhone 12 Chargers Sold Here” which was located right outside the manufacture’s store located in the mall. Why would the plaintiff believe it was not safe to use?

Any way, that’s the argument you’ll get.
I thought, for a minute there, he’s gonna sue Apple for not including charging plug in the box and he had to buy 3rd party one and that caused the fire. 🤣
Thank you for set it straight.
 
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