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Android Continues to Have More Loyal Customers Than iOS
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If you have the right phone in a right region, then they’re monthly. However, in most cases that’s not the case. I recently relegated my S8+ to backup duties as Samsung skipped two months in a row in my region (they do way too many regional variants for unlocked phones). I had pretty much got used to getting security updates every second month (a compromise I really shouldn’t have to make), but stretching the gap to three months was too much. So now I’m typing this on an iPhone 8.
A Pixel or a Nokia would get updates more regularly, but based on reports online and my earlier experiences with various Nexus models, Google seems to be breaking Bluetooth a bit too frequently for my use.
I'm constantly browsing my phone while on lunch and holding onto the bars while standing on the train. I'm not complaining about a phone or anything, just giving real life scenarios where one handed use isn't born of laziness.
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Equally confusing is the ability to only set one timer. I have an Apple Watch and I would like to set multiple timers for cooking purposes. I actually have an old nexus phone in the kitchen that I use specifically for this purpos (also connecting Bluetooth thermometers) because I don't like having my work phone in that environment.
Gee, and I'm sure that you've got at least a half-dozen people to agree with you, and the other 7 million are saying, "What's DND? Dungeons 'n' Dragons?" I mean, seriously, you can go to sleep and turn on Do Not Disturb, and you won't be bothered. But if it's important to you, go for it. There might be another dozen to agree.
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And how many of those original Androids does Google sell? Have they sold a million of the new one yet?
You’re right, you don’t get it. Are you even aware of what has to happen from the time Google fixes an exploit and uploads the modified source code to AOSP and you getting the update on your phone (that is, if you’re even getting them at all)? Or the difference between these types of updates and the ones sent out via Google Play Services?
The other poster was correct. Android updates are a complete joke.
Okay I had to register to say a few words. I was shocked to see so much android defense on this forum.
To those of you defending Android and bashing Apple, I would like you to do an experiment. Get a credit card with a high limit and walk into an electronics store of your choosing. Buy the following:
Samsung Galaxy Note 8
Samsung Tab S3 with Samsung official keyboard cover
Samsung Gear S3
Samsung Gear Icon X 2018
Go home and use all of these products for 2 weeks without using anything else. Play games, do work, consume media.
Then I would like you to set all of those to the side on your office desk and go back to the same store purchasing the following:
Apple iPhone X
iPad Pro 10.5 with Apple keyboard Smart Cover
Apple Watch Series 3 stainless
AirPods
And proceed to use all of those items for 2 weeks without anything else.
I just did all that and currently still have all items in my possession. I would like to point out that I stood in line for hours for every iPhone up until the iPhone 4 and then switched to Android and never came back. As of right now though after comparing the best from Apple and Samsung, the Samsung stuff is EMBARASSING. And this coming from someone who has had every samsung phone every year since the s2.
It all feels like cheap knock off junk that is just begging to be Apple-ish. Sure you have more flexibility with Android, but iOS is so polished and fluid that its not even a comparison really, Android looks like trash. Attention to detail and QUALITY is what sets Apple apart from the pack. Every implementation of android and samsung its flawed in some way and don’t ever expect a fix for any of it.
Just look at the way AirPods are constructed, how they talk to the other apple devices, and their sound quality. Everything about apple operates the same way. Don’t even get me started on iMessage. Android has NOTHING for apple in that regard.
Android has come so far, especially with the Note 8, but stand it next to an iPhone X and the choice is clear.
To those of you defending Android and bashing Apple, I would like you to do an experiment. Get a credit card with a high limit and walk into an electronics store of your choosing. Buy the following:
Samsung Galaxy Note 8
Samsung Tab S3 with Samsung official keyboard cover
Samsung Gear S3
Samsung Gear Icon X 2018
Go home and use all of these products for 2 weeks without using anything else. Play games, do work, consume media.
Then I would like you to set all of those to the side on your office desk and go back to the same store purchasing the following:
Apple iPhone X
iPad Pro 10.5 with Apple keyboard Smart Cover
Apple Watch Series 3 stainless
AirPods
And proceed to use all of those items for 2 weeks without anything else.
I just did all that and currently still have all items in my possession. I would like to point out that I stood in line for hours for every iPhone up until the iPhone 4 and then switched to Android and never came back. As of right now though after comparing the best from Apple and Samsung, the Samsung stuff is EMBARASSING. And this coming from someone who has had every samsung phone every year since the s2.
It all feels like cheap knock off junk that is just begging to be Apple-ish. Sure you have more flexibility with Android, but iOS is so polished and fluid that its not even a comparison really, Android looks like trash. Attention to detail and QUALITY is what sets Apple apart from the pack. Every implementation of android and samsung its flawed in some way and don’t ever expect a fix for any of it.
Just look at the way AirPods are constructed, how they talk to the other apple devices, and their sound quality. Everything about apple operates the same way. Don’t even get me started on iMessage. Android has NOTHING for apple in that regard.
Android has come so far, especially with the Note 8, but stand it next to an iPhone X and the choice is clear.
In process of ditching my Apple products.
Previously owned:
Previously owned:
- 27 retina iMac
- 15 retina Macbook Pro
- Iphone 6s
- LenovoThinkpad W540
- Samsung S8
- iPad
I wonder how many people are actually loyal to Android, rather than hardware makers.
Friends of mine who use Android use either Samsung or Sony phones. When it came time for one Sony user to upgrade I asked if he would ever consider a Samsung and he said “no way”. I also wonder whether the Samsung users say they like Android because it’s a feature of their Samsung Phone, not because they like Samsung independently.
Google themselves don’t mention Android on their Pixel 2 website:
https://store.google.com/gb/product...gclsrc=aw.ds&dclid=CK2Dsr3Z3tkCFY21UQodNJoGTg
Friends of mine who use Android use either Samsung or Sony phones. When it came time for one Sony user to upgrade I asked if he would ever consider a Samsung and he said “no way”. I also wonder whether the Samsung users say they like Android because it’s a feature of their Samsung Phone, not because they like Samsung independently.
Google themselves don’t mention Android on their Pixel 2 website:
https://store.google.com/gb/product...gclsrc=aw.ds&dclid=CK2Dsr3Z3tkCFY21UQodNJoGTg
You've contradicted yourself; if Android users were "cheapskates" why would they "go through phones like water" which would involve constantly buying new phones?
Take a break? I read this forum maybe once or twice a week. Anyways, I'm not talking about Android forums... ugh never mind.
Apart from your hatred towards Apple, we can now say that you are not very good at maths. Those numbers mean that Apple is gaining customers at the expense of Android.
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Same here: Not good at maths. If 10% of 80 change sides and 20% of 20, then 8 move one way and to the other way, so we now have 76 vs 24.
this kind of survey is like Youtube:
1. why I switch to Android: 90% likes
2. why I switch to iOS: 70-80 % dislikes
1. why I switch to Android: 90% likes
2. why I switch to iOS: 70-80 % dislikes
I think it’s more about the price range actually... Apple doesn’t have phones that are below say, $500, and Android has LOTS of phones below $500.
So if you are one of many users that have a $400 phone, whether you are are loyal and love Android or hate Android, the next phone you are going to buy is likely going to be, well, Android! There’s not much else to choose from in terms of OS.
And worldwide there are alot more smartphones that are under $500.
Let me try this one more time: If someone criticizes the products of company 'X', and you reply that "X ... is a fantastic company", you're completely not answering their complaint. It's like if I said ESPN should fire Chris Berman, and you say 'well ESPN is a great company'. I would rightfully respond "what the hell does that have to do with it?".
So yeah, for investors, mcdonalds is a fantastic company. For the dining public, mcdonands does not represent 'good' food by any measure.
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That’s not intentional. Cheapskate buys cheap phone, is not happy, buys another cheap phone.
The ability to have something meet ones needs is a strong motivator to avoid pointless wasting of money.
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So for your argument to work Android users would not only have to be "cheapskates" but also too stupid to learn from their (in your opinion) mistakes? I can who's talking nonsense here.
so more people switch from Android to iOS than other way around...
but more people keep using android than they keep using iOS...
gotcha.
no i dont.
i don't understand this statistics, could someone enlighten me?
what I gathered from this is:
people are switching from iOS to something else, not android. So what is this else?
but more people keep using android than they keep using iOS...
gotcha.
no i dont.
i don't understand this statistics, could someone enlighten me?
what I gathered from this is:
people are switching from iOS to something else, not android. So what is this else?
i don't know but lately it feels like android rumors, sorry iOS rumors oops mac rumors lol is a loyal fan of Samsung devices.
I’m not sure this survey is statistically valid.
There are 3 markets; low end, mid range, and high end. Apple sells exclusively to the mid and high range. Android sells to all 3, but the MAJORITY of android phones sold is to the low end where Apple doesn’t compete, therefore users in that segment have little choice but to buy an android device when they upgrade, unless they decide to spend significantly more money.
So unless they did the survey with only mid and high end device users, it’s an invalid point to make,
There are 3 markets; low end, mid range, and high end. Apple sells exclusively to the mid and high range. Android sells to all 3, but the MAJORITY of android phones sold is to the low end where Apple doesn’t compete, therefore users in that segment have little choice but to buy an android device when they upgrade, unless they decide to spend significantly more money.
So unless they did the survey with only mid and high end device users, it’s an invalid point to make,
Counter argument is consumers are getting smarter and realize that iPhones are overpriced versions of Android low to mid end devices but with lesser services like AI assistant, navigation, cloud storage, mail, etc. Why spend $700+ on an iPhone when a $50 to $100 Android device is just as capable if not more so and put the savings towards a new Macbook, vacation, etc.?
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Yeah, I have to call slight shenanigans on the term "loyalty" here. The vast majority of Android customers are not even aware that they are running Android, because (like most computer users) they don't know the name of the operating system, nor do they care. They became Android users by dint of that platform having a phone available in the (low-to-mid) price range they could afford and that the salesman liked. I'm in cell phone shops all the time and I see this over and over. When a customer makes it clear they want THE BEST or specifies that it has to be an iPhone, then AND ONLY THEN are they steered towards the Apple products.
I'm not disputing that Android customers are easy to retain, as there isn't really any other option if they want a big phone but don't want to pay of anything for it. As surveys of users will attest, most Android users also don't really use their smartphone as smartphones: they use them as Facebook and selfie machines that can also (bonus!) make and accept calls. If that's all you want from a phone, indeed you should be looking at non-flagship Android phones.
I would wager serious money that if you limited this to the Android flagships and the iPhone, the results would be rather different. That's not to say the Android flagships are inferior -- at first -- but I think when you get into the premium arena the work Apple puts into their products is more appreciated.
I'm not disputing that Android customers are easy to retain, as there isn't really any other option if they want a big phone but don't want to pay of anything for it. As surveys of users will attest, most Android users also don't really use their smartphone as smartphones: they use them as Facebook and selfie machines that can also (bonus!) make and accept calls. If that's all you want from a phone, indeed you should be looking at non-flagship Android phones.
I would wager serious money that if you limited this to the Android flagships and the iPhone, the results would be rather different. That's not to say the Android flagships are inferior -- at first -- but I think when you get into the premium arena the work Apple puts into their products is more appreciated.