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the placement of the gap wasn't simply choice...that's where the antenna break needs to be in order for it to work properly. They did lots of research in determining that placement, they didn't just take an iPhone and say "Lets put gaps here, here, and here" just for fun

No they didn't
 
Well Duh! The only antenna that could replicate that problem was the one on the bottom left of the phone. They didn't move that antenna.
 
because people were stating that being that there was 4 cutouts now around the antenna, that they may have "shifted" where the antenna lays therefore holding the bottom like that will not drop a call

that was wishful thinking on their part, the more sensible people made the guess that it was to accommodate CDMA, and they were right. Again, the placement of the cutouts isn't really up to the design team. They are where they are because that's where they have to be for the antenna to work
 
No they didn't

as far as that is concerned, yes they did

admittedly, they didn't do enough testing and research in the wild without their signal boosters at the HQ (probably because that idiot lost the phone and so they probably called in all testing units), but if you aren't one of the ones affected by the signal loss issue, it's the best designed cellphone antenna in the world. It squeezes signal out of places that barely have it very efficently
 
I have yet to see someone's signal drop by more than 1 bar (MAX) with only one finger on the antenna.
When you're in a 1 bar signal all day, that's enough to drop your call. (One finger bridging the antenna gap)
 
My gosh the whole thing is a non issue really. Who grips their phone like that? I bet the majority of people put a case on their iphone as soon as they get it anyway.
 
as far as that is concerned, yes they did

admittedly, they didn't do enough testing and research in the wild without their signal boosters at the HQ (probably because that idiot lost the phone and so they probably called in all testing units), but if you aren't one of the ones affected by the signal loss issue, it's the best designed cellphone antenna in the world. It squeezes signal out of places that barely have it very efficently
The ones they tested in the field all had cases that made them look like a 3G/3GS so they wouldn't have noticed the problem anyway.

Also, I agree about it being a sensitive antenna design. I get a much better signal than I did with my 3G and even with it only being on 1 bar I can still make calls and the 3G data speeds are still blazing.
 
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i just got my phone and after reading this thread the first thing i did was check for death grip and i have absolutely none!!! dont let this dude scare everyone
 
i just got my phone and after reading this thread the first thing i did was check for death grip and i have absolutely none!!! dont let this dude scare everyone
It depends on the signal strength in your area. Sometimes I see no drop and sometimes it's enough to drop a call. The issue definitely exists but it's an actual problem for only a small portion of owners. With Verizon's coverage I'm sure it'll be even less of an issue.

If you're on 1 bar signal all day then you're on the wrong carrier.
It may be the only choice they have. Especially in the middle of no where.
 
i just got my phone and after reading this thread the first thing i did was check for death grip and i have absolutely none!!! dont let this dude scare everyone

Why is there a "death grip" to begin with?
Who came up with such a stupid way to hold a phone?

I mean, who in hell holds their iPhone with a "death grip"?

This is ridiculous!

btw dandrews, I did the famous "death grip" on mine and I didn't drop one bar, boy did I feel and look like a total dumbass when I held it with a "death grip"...

oh well,


death grip
 
Why is there a "death grip" to begin with?

I mean, who in hell holds their iPhone with a "death grip"?

This is ridiculous!

btw dandrews, I did the famous death grip on mine and I didn't drop one bar, boy did I feel and look like a total dumbass when I held it with a death grip...

oh well

By the way... it doesn't have to be a death grip (at least for me). I can completely halt all data with just the tip of my finger on the gap.

Do that with another phone. You won't be able to.
 
By the way... it doesn't have to be a death grip (at least for me). I can completely halt all data with just the tip of my finger on the gap.

Do that with another phone. You won't be able to.

That's because of your network provider......you're in a crap network area buddy

Has NOTHING to do with the design of the antenna in the iPhone
 
Seriously -- this guy's in a crap signal area anyways -- flawed.

how am I in a crap signal area, I have 4 bars, 3 at worst in my house.... I would think that's good, cram would be 1-2 bars all the time


I am not trying to scare anyone, you people are unreal, I simply came on here to let people know the issue I was having so people are aware that were on the fence based on this specific issue.


Has NOTHING to do with the design of the antenna in the iPhone
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clearly being that I can grip the original iphone, 3g, 3gs and my Incredible and NONE of them drop in signal, Only the iPhone 4. And I have really crappy service with the ATT ones, none of them drop the call no matter how I grip it. It has EVERYTHING to do with the design of the antenna
 
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If you want to know why this happens get a 101 in phyisics. And please stop squeezing your phone because this does absolutely NOT benefit to the signal loss albeit your hand has better contact to the antenna. It is the covered surface which mostly contributes to signal loss. The reason why other phones may be less prone to this issue is that most antennas are inside the phone and MAYBE you cant cover enough of it to cause a call to drop - BUT it happens to.

Can we move on now?
 
yeah, lets all move on please, I posted this to warn people who were questioning it, you guys are obviously only here to defend Apple so this is going nowhere

is there a way to just delete this thread, let people just question and live in denial that this is an issue FOR SOME PEOPLE
 
If you want to know why this happens get a 101 in phyisics. And please stop squeezing your phone because this does absolutely NOT benefit to the signal loss albeit your hand has better contact to the antenna. It is the covered surface which mostly contributes to signal loss. The reason why other phones may be less prone to this issue is that most antennas are inside the phone and MAYBE you cant cover enough of it to cause a call to drop - BUT it happens to.

Can we move on now?

Thank you for such a well taught out statement, hopefully the OP can move on with his life now
 
well then maybe Apple should have left the antenna on the inside being that it doesn't help the signal at all, Well not enough to make it worth it
 
Why is there a "death grip" to begin with?
Who came up with such a stupid way to hold a phone?

I mean, who in hell holds their iPhone with a "death grip"?

This is ridiculous!

btw dandrews, I did the famous "death grip" on mine and I didn't drop one bar, boy did I feel and look like a total dumbass when I held it with a "death grip"...

oh well,


death grip

lol actually i just tried it again and lost a bar, then i did the same thing to my girlfriends mytouch 4g and it dropped a bar as well
 
Serious -the iPhone4's antenna is a masterpiece of engineering. If you think the phone is not worth it you better get a refund.
 
LOL at the people with clouded minds defending Apple, or denying there is an issue at all.

Even more LOL at people who are insisting the grip is to blame.

I tried to explain this many times last June, and these people didn't get it then, they probably wont get it now either.

But in any case, the grip doesnt matter. You can bridge the line with a staple and have the same signal loss, no need to even touch the phone. That means its a hardware defect.

It is what it is. It may not affect you personally. But Apple made a mistake with the antenna design of this phone. That is 100% fact, incontrovertable.

Tech sites have pulled up the field test app, which was reinserted around 4.2, and confirmed that the Verizon iPhone exhibits the exact same 20db drop in signal as the AT&T version. So the defect remains. End of story.

Now, enjoy your phones even though the defect is real. I'll be picking up the 5, hopefully by then it'll be sorted. If not, i'll probably still get it.
 
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