Ah, so you’d like Apple to just freeze things where they are now, and lock in your unearned white privilege?
Great idea. That will improve things.
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Great idea. That will improve things.
Sure a lot of hatred here. Wish I could say I’m surprised.
Rare? Where the hell have you been? There have been enough product releases over the last couple years to make your head spin.
Money -> bottomless pit
ultimately it is a question of heart. If someone is a racist scumbag, giving money away is not going to fix that.
ultimately it is a question of heart. If someone is a racist scumbag, giving money away is not going to fix that.
Please stop with the nonsense. “White Privilege“ is demonstrably false.
As a Black person, I'd say a lot of it is, but what became apparent is the typical narrative couldn't be applied to George Floyd.
The narrative of "He reached for a gun and was shot".
He didn't reach for a gun.
He wasn't combative.
He wasn't reaching for anything.
With all that he still wound up dead. That is the outrage.
Then you get the gaslighting and saying, "he had a heart condition, "he had Covid-19", "he had drugs in his system".
He may very well had all of that. Some of those things may have eventually killed him.
None of those things were so acute that they were going to kill him, that day, in that moment.
So, I ask where were all the companies that have been around for close to a century when they were practicing Apartheid by red lining loans, letting managers deny jobs, etc.?
Yes where were they?
That is a different discussion.
The point is, they are here to address real and pertinent issues NOW.
There are a lot of ideas on the policing front that could make interactions less violent or even less likely to happen. Then there's the decriminalization of minor nonviolent drug offenses and reducing prison populations, which would help with the family structure issues that some posters were mentioning earlier (in very good faith, I'm sure). Then there's Apple's approach of expanding education, skills development, and more minority-friendly hiring practices.
There's no shortage of ideas. Granted, money can't advance them all, but it sure can help.
So for 100 years in America we didn't have Apartheid, called Jim Crow, The Black Codes, Segregation?
The US Government did not treat Black soldiers differently?
We didn't need a Civil Rights Movement?
We didn't need equal rights laws?
We didn't need anti discrimination in voter laws?
There was no Little Rock 9?
There was no Tuskegee Bad Blood Experiment?
There was no FBI CoIntelPro?
There was no Emmett Till?
There was no denying Black people employment because of the color of our skin?
There was no discrimination in education?
So when you do these things for 100 years, how do you think it turns out?
You think what took 100 years to end will just work itself out in about 50 years when those in power have no initiative to do anything different than what they have always done?
White privilege definitely exists.
People who don't see it, don't care to see it.
The true problem is that Police in this country are trained to be hyper aggressive. They often escalate a situation. Training needs to change. Cops used to be called 'peace officers,' and their job was to keep the peace - and that often meant de-escalating situations. Not anymore.
Also the police kill almost anyone, of any race, who gives them any trouble - look up Daniel Shaver - watch the full video, including the shooting. No racism, just really bad cops. There are tons of trigger happy cops.
Also cops protect each other and allow bad cops to operate with impunity - that is another issue. They have to get rid of the bad cops - that is critical.
But right now there is no desire to solve any of these issues. This tragedy has been hijacked by radical groups to tear the country apart. They are trying to bring about revolution so we can all live equally in a true tyranny. All equal, as serfs to our multinational corporate masters.... like virtue signaling Timmy.
Also the police kill almost anyone, of any race, who gives them any trouble - look up Daniel Shaver - watch the full video, including the shooting. No racism, just really bad cops. There are tons of trigger happy cops.
Also cops protect each other and allow bad cops to operate with impunity - that is another issue. They have to get rid of the bad cops - that is critical.
But right now there is no desire to solve any of these issues. This tragedy has been hijacked by radical groups to tear the country apart. They are trying to bring about revolution so we can all live equally in a true tyranny. All equal, as serfs to our multinational corporate masters.... like virtue signaling Timmy.
Just more of the usual virtue signaling and hypocrisy from Tim and Apple.
Whoa! Breathtaking and astonishing. Gotta shake my head on that.
As an European, I have been watching this discussion for the last week and I can’t help but feel like the whole issue is being blown way out of proportion.
Before I get insulted which I probably will be I want to be clear. I am sure, black people in the US generally have a harder time than white people. I am sure these is still some recuse and resentment in the population and they probably haveto deal with some issues us white people are never confronted with.
So I do think it is a Good idea to try and work towards more equality.
That said, I can’t believe the course the discussion has taken. It seems to be more about who screams “victim” the loudest instead of rational arguments. People pretend like police are like preying tigers just waiting for an opportunity to kill a black person. I don’t see this in the statistics. Last year, 235 blacks were killed by police in the US, most of them armed. At the same time, 370 white were killed by police.
At only 13% of the population, the chance of being killed as a black person is clearly higher, but black people also accounted for more than 50% of all homicide offenders (between 1980 and 2008) which more than balances these numbers in my opinion.
Black on white crime is also much higher than vice versa.
I really can’t understand where the current narrative that “police are out to kill black people” comes from. Of course, there are some cases where this happens like in the Floyd case and the responsible people are rightfully being prosecuted for their disgusting crime but I don’t think this is a nationwide “pandemic” as some call it.
the US has over 300.000.000 people - you can’t reasonably expect for things like this to never happen. It would be great if this could be prevented completely but that is impossible.
What I especially find very sad is the incredible passion with which some American hat on their country. The United States has take so many immigrants over the years, almost 1.000.000 people come to your country every year On their own free will because they are expecting a better life. Calling such a country “fundamentally racist” is absolutely ludacris in my opinion.
Before I get insulted which I probably will be I want to be clear. I am sure, black people in the US generally have a harder time than white people. I am sure these is still some recuse and resentment in the population and they probably haveto deal with some issues us white people are never confronted with.
So I do think it is a Good idea to try and work towards more equality.
That said, I can’t believe the course the discussion has taken. It seems to be more about who screams “victim” the loudest instead of rational arguments. People pretend like police are like preying tigers just waiting for an opportunity to kill a black person. I don’t see this in the statistics. Last year, 235 blacks were killed by police in the US, most of them armed. At the same time, 370 white were killed by police.
At only 13% of the population, the chance of being killed as a black person is clearly higher, but black people also accounted for more than 50% of all homicide offenders (between 1980 and 2008) which more than balances these numbers in my opinion.
Black on white crime is also much higher than vice versa.
I really can’t understand where the current narrative that “police are out to kill black people” comes from. Of course, there are some cases where this happens like in the Floyd case and the responsible people are rightfully being prosecuted for their disgusting crime but I don’t think this is a nationwide “pandemic” as some call it.
the US has over 300.000.000 people - you can’t reasonably expect for things like this to never happen. It would be great if this could be prevented completely but that is impossible.
What I especially find very sad is the incredible passion with which some American hat on their country. The United States has take so many immigrants over the years, almost 1.000.000 people come to your country every year On their own free will because they are expecting a better life. Calling such a country “fundamentally racist” is absolutely ludacris in my opinion.
The policing front def needs to be addressed. I've been reading articles comparing US police training to Uk training and its a lot less considering that the US are coming out armed with Guns. I for one think that some of these police brutality issues can be linked back to America's gun stance. Every call out an American police officer goes too, even the simplest routine stops, he has to initially assume that he could be dealing with an armed suspect which I think would make anyone quite jumpy and on edge if you had to work under those conditions. I know that's another controversial can of worms though lol.
I'm 38 and this is the first time in my life that I'm genuinely concerned with how the world is heading.
Lets hope we get some answers, for everyones sake!
As someone from a European country that never had Apartheid you couldn't be more wrong.
It wasn't just harder. For 100+ years the government ws okay with making it harder.
Black soldiers were segregated.
We were denied housing, loans, access to higher education, etc...
I'm not going to insult you, I'll just say you don't have the correct perspective because you have never lived here.
I hear ya', but the past speaks loudly against giving such privilege to big business.
Out of curiosity, if you don't mind.
Where are you from in the world and as a black person would you say you've experienced racism or do you get regularly stopped by police etc?
Don’t many people have unearned privileges even outside of race?
Can you even image the insane privilege genetically beautiful people have in this world even without having to use tons of makeup or whatever?
Do you know the privilege intelligent people have? Rich people? Charismatic people? industrious people? It has even been shown that some people are just born happier than others - they simply produce more serotonin.
Life is not fair and never will be. It’s important not to disadvantage anyone by law, everyone should have the same rights and that’s what the people in the last decade fought for. They were heroes.
People trying to to archive equality of outcome are crazy. This is not possible. You would have to disadvantage others.
But who will keep them accountable? Certainly not people on this forum. Certainly not the shareholders or the Board. Certainly not Apple fans. Certainly not developers. And people are NOT going to keep them accountable with their wallets. Unfortunately, it is all "marketing moment" hype. I hope not, but these things are so systemically messed up that we are bound to return to the old norm. People are truly WIRED for prejudice (see the books "Blind Spot" and "Thinking Fast and Slow." ). This is a tough problem that tech money cannot fix. We will need to go back to progressive Equal Opportunity at private schools, public schools, and universities and tax the heck out of someone to pay for scholarships.
Sure. But they, the beautiful, industrious, intelligent, and rich, etc., don't need to worry about having the police called on them because they're simply taking a walk in their neighborhood. Or birdwatching in NYC's Central Park. Or driving a car and being pulled over by the police because they "look" like they may have committed a crime, or don't belong in certain neighborhoods. Or being "tuned up" in an encounter with the police for no reason.
I could go on and on. What I spoke about above, sadly, is just everyday stuff.
It *existed*
And the calls for what amounts to special privileges are racist in-and-of-themselves. You want my pity because you are black? Sad. Or is this an “original sin” scenario? I should carry the wrongs of those that came before me?
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“I’m not going to insult you...”
I hope you like it on your moral high horse that you feel like you have the right to insult me. Thank you so much for not taking advantage of that right.
i have lived in the United States for multiple years when my father worked for an American company. I have also been to South Africa multiple times and I cantell you one thing.
Whatever you think Apartheit is, the USA does not have it. When I was in the US, black people and white people got along just fine, I went to school with both of them and I was friend and hung with both of them.
And I know that black people where treated incredible unacceptable in the last century. I saddens me to even read about it. But today, black people have the same rights as white people.
How do you explain the high percentage of black homicide offenders (over 50% at only 13% of the population)? Why do most black kids have to grow up without their father with a single mother?
Why do mostly black rappers keep portraying a glorified vision of violence, drugs, degrading women etc. in their music?
Is it all the white peoples fault?
I think the first thing that should happen is that blacks need to stop killing each other, this is a much much bigger problem than the police.
Don’t get me wrong. I would LOVE for blacks, whites and everyone else tocome together. I would hate to seeanyone being disadvantaged by their skin color.
And I even agree that black people are sometimes unfairly disadvantages or treated worse than white people are. This must change.
But claiming that the police are specifically out to kill black people or that the United States as the country with the largest immigrant population in the world is fundamentally racist is crazy.