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Apple Fights Proposed Right to Repair Legislation With Warnings of Consumer Harm
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Agreed, but you gotta see the other side. If people start repairing iPhones in large numbers and mess them up, it screws up the brand and also the secondary market.
Apple is trying to defend their business and I don’t believe it’s only because they want repair money themselves. They don’t want to standard to fall.
I think cars are a different story. More moving parts, more variability in parts, lots of easy jobs, few hard jobs. The hard jobs are still better left with the dealer, particularly if software is involved.
He’s the last person I’d want to be doing anything for me! And he is an idiot with one massive chip on his shoulder! I’ll continue using my iToys thanks..
Right, so back to CR...which is reality, has standing and is not anecdotal reality.
That's not reality. Do you also buy from Top Shop, because they say its amazing stuff?
Apple from 1980s was a proponent of 'right to repair' and even provided repair schematics for their Apple II series computers. Tim Cook Apple of today is full of poop. They want to do away with 'right to repair' to kill the second hand device market and force people to buy devices from Apple.
Apple is right to look out of the safety of its customers. Most of their products now contain batteries that can cause incredible damage, even putting human life at risk, if mishandled by someone unqualified. Some things are more important than money.
That is exactly how it works liability follows the last guy that did the repair unless the part are faulty.
An example, no matter how you cut it the person that installs a defective airbag isn't on the hook if the bag fails and glows shards of metal. That's a part failure. If I fall to connect the bag and you die, then it would be on me.
Liability for installation falls on the installer.
Liability for defective parts falls on the manufacturer of the part.
The Manuson-Moss Warranty Act says that blanket voiding of warranties on cars and devices is not allowed under US law.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnuson–Moss_Warranty_Act
It's against public policy to void a warranty on a car engine because I changed the radio.
The company must prove your modification caused the failure if the part is not directly related before they can void the warranty.
All Apple needs to do is supply the parts and track via serial number.
If someone screws up and then Apple has to fix it, charge the appropriate amount and move on.
There is no justifiable reason why you must take your device to apple for repair, no more than I need to take my BMW to the stealer, I mean dealer.
In most (all?) cases when iPhone batteries did damage to people it had nothing to do with repairs. If anything easier/cheaper access to repairs would encourage people to replace the batteries more often thus benefiting their safety.
I hope Right to Repair wins! Apple's efforts to prevent this are downright evil. What they are doing should be illegal.
Oh, and Apple, if your battery wasn't glued in, it wouldn't require prying, and there would be no risk of puncturing it. Your own logic makes no sense. And if you sold batteries to repair shops, they wouldn't be forced to buy counterfeit batteries that can explode. So for the sake of safety, honor your paying customers' right to repair your mistakes.
Oh, and Apple, if your battery wasn't glued in, it wouldn't require prying, and there would be no risk of puncturing it. Your own logic makes no sense. And if you sold batteries to repair shops, they wouldn't be forced to buy counterfeit batteries that can explode. So for the sake of safety, honor your paying customers' right to repair your mistakes.
There have been cases where people have installed batteries badly, pierced them, used the wrong parts, used dodgy fire hazard parts, etc. Apple takes the right approach today to prevent this. They certify and authorise people who have been properly trained to do repairs.
I would be fighting against such ludicrous legislation if I was Apple.
Apple retail stores have exploded customers' phones prying the battery out. Apple needs to stop gluing them in and making them non-serviceable.
https://www.newsweek.com/iphone-battery-mysterious-explosion-causes-apple-store-evacuation-776529
If you took the badges off a Accord and 3 series, there would be a considerable number of people who would not be able to accurately tell you which is supposed to be the BMW.
Obviously people who get an M3 probably don't fall into that category. But for many people and the more typical models, I'm not so sure. Doesn't help that many "high end" vehicles are just 2.0L turbo i4 with a tablet mounted on the dash. The differences have narrowed considerably.
Apple should be able to build products as they see fit, with or without a lot of glue. And iFixit can repair devices as they see fit, some more easily than others. Neither should be using the force of government to protect their business interests. Right to repair is yet another first world problem outrage. There is no such thing as a right to repair.
Right. Because when Apple denies exploits like Batterygate, or flawed engineering that they want to charge the customer to fix, you have the resourcefulness, public influence, and deep pockets to make Apple do the responsible thing. Apple is a typical lawyered, unapologetic corporate behemoth that doesn't admit its mistakes or apologize until it is publicly exposed and shamed into doing so.
Even if you hate Rossman's rants, you should be grateful that he and others are in the trenches and advocating for your welfare. It's the only recourse that seems to work with big companies.
That's my whole point. You have to be able to certify the repair was done properly.
"I want to open my iPhone and fix it" or
"I want to do any repair I see fit"
These are not options Apple should be required to facilitate.
Bull, I have done lots of Designs and Glue is almost NEVER needed.. and soldering the replaceable parts to the MB is NEVER required.... they do this to make the units disposable so that they can then sell high cost replacements... rather than allowing repair.
And if by changing the radio you short the electrical system, it’s on you, not the vehicle manufacturer.
One of the main reasons I wouldn't touch anything Apple today. I used to swap out batteries / hard drives for people with the old iPods, old Macbooks... I even changed a battery on a 4s. After that? Nope, just became too much. I'd rather pay $79 for a new battery than risk damaging an iPhone.
I know several people who tried to turn in an iPhone that was damaged by a 3rd party repair shop. If I know a few people that have done this it has to be at least a little more than rare.
I love watching the iFixit videos because I'd never do that.
It’s a common internet ploy to cast shade on an authoritative source. Yes, CR can be a data point for me. Don’t like them, dont use them.
Nah, I don't need an #explodegate or #screenslicedmyfingersgate.
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Exactly. I don't need some $7.25hr goober turning my iPhone into a frag grenade.
I vastly trust myself and my friend who works in a multi-million dollar hotrod shop over the wrench monkeys at the dealerships around here. The only things we can't do are computer-related things, and frankly computers have no business being in cars to begin with.
Amen to that.