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Why the switch? He can swap out and get a new Note 7 and unless they release something different than the "leaks" no iphone can even compare to note 7. I have had every iPhone since the 3 and again they are so far behind the game and the sales and data prove that


I'm not, but maybe his dad his one of those "performance freak"s and saw that that last year's iPhone processor smoked this year's Samsung and he wants to grind Samsung further into the ground with the new A10. Maybe he is from California and wants to support a California based company and appreciates the tens of thousands of jobs they create for his fellow Californians. Maybe he prefers that Apple protects his privacy while Android sees his personal information as a profit center. Maybe he prefers the quality and security that come from iOS versus Android. Maybe he knows even looking at the last generation iPhone versus the current Samsung that the sales data does not show that the iPhone is far behind the Samsung. Maybe he wants to be part of a an ecosystem that is unavailable with Samsung Maybe. . .
 
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I'm not, but maybe his dad his one of those "performance freak"s and saw that that last year's iPhone processor smoked this year's Samsung and he wants to grind Samsung further into the ground with the new A10. Maybe he is from California and wants to support a California based company and appreciates the tens of thousands of jobs they create for his fellow Californians. Maybe he prefers that Apple protects his privacy while Android sees his personal information as a profit center. Maybe he prefers the quality and security that come from iOS versus Android. Maybe he knows even looking at the last generation iPhone versus the current Samsung that the sales data does not show that the iPhone is far behind the Samsung. Maybe he wants to be part of a an ecosystem that is unavailable with Samsung Maybe. . .


Ha Ha a California company that stores finances off the coast to avoid taxes. That builds the phones in third world countries and pays meager .10 per hour. Ha ha yes that's the best reason why. If he wanted to be part of the ecosystem he should have stayed there. Oh and if he has a Samsung watch and tablet he has an ecosystem oh and there is Android auto as well.
 
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Then you must not realize how slow the government moves on this stuff. Sure Samsung could have just reported the issue to the CPSC and let them go through their "research" phase and do everything else required through the bureaucracy, but then we'd all be sitting on potentially defective phones until the feds decided to recall. Since the feds would then be in control the best Samsung could do is give us all cheap loaners until the whole mess was figured out.

I'm not saying that they shouldn't go through CPSC, but I understand why they didn't and as an effected owner I'm glad that I can easily either get my money back, get a different phone or get a fixed brand new Note 7. If the feds were involved we'd all be sitting in limbo while they determined the proper action and ran those findings though every govt channel. There are dangerous products that have taken years to get recalled through the govt process.


You are overstating it. There is nothing that would prevent Samsung from immediately giving you your money back or allowing you to trade for another product if they voluntarily went the official recall route. The CPSC can't prohibit you from returning your phone to Samsung or them giving you your money back. An official recall can prohibit a business or person from selling it -- A good thing!

You are correct that what needs to be done to ensure that the products aren't resold, aren't carried on airplanes or other dangerous places, what message to tell consumers, what independent testing needs to be done to ensure how widespread the problem is, etc., would take time. Because Samsung is resisting working with the CPSC, right now, there isn't anything to keep someone from selling or reselling the Note to an unsuspecting or ignorant buyer. But as an affected owner, Samsung could have taken care of you without delay.

Encourage all to read and share to be informed.

http://www.consumerreports.org/smar...amsung-should-officially-recall-galaxy-note7/
 
I suspect that most that want to switch away from the note 7, they will pick another Android device, not iPhone 7. If they switch to another Android device, all their apps still work.

Or switch to the iPhone 7 and find that their Apps also still work. And discover the superiority of The App Store and higher quality Apps. And getting a phone that'll run circles around the Note 7. I mean, the year old iPhone is faster than a brand new Note 7. The iPhone 7 is going to crush it.
 
You are overstating it. There is nothing that would prevent Samsung from immediately giving you your money back or allowing you to trade for another product if they voluntarily went the official recall route. The CPSC can't prohibit you from returning your phone to Samsung or them giving you your money back. An official recall can prohibit a business or person from selling it -- A good thing!

You are correct that what needs to be done to ensure that the products aren't resold, aren't carried on airplanes or other dangerous places, what message to tell consumers, what independent testing needs to be done to ensure how widespread the problem is, etc., would take time. Because Samsung is resisting working with the CPSC, right now, there isn't anything to keep someone from selling or reselling the Note to an unsuspecting or ignorant buyer. But as an affected owner, Samsung could have taken care of you without delay.

Encourage all to read and share to be informed.

http://www.consumerreports.org/smar...amsung-should-officially-recall-galaxy-note7/

Samsung is resisting because they have already determined the issue and fixed it. Taking this through the CPSC would ensure that the Note 7 is dead for good in the US. By the time the CPSC got around to lifting the "No sale" order off the phone even though it was fixed Samsung would be better off to just discontinue the Note in the US. It would take months to get it back on the market and at that point would be pointless. If you really think the CPSC would push the Samsung case to the front and expedite the process for them then you haven't dealt with government bureaucracy in your life.

Now I know that's a dream come true for Apple fans who dream and long for a non-competitive phone market, but not good for innovation.
 
Ha Ha a California company that stores finances off the coast to avoid taxes. That builds the phones in third world countries and pays meager .10 per hour. Ha ha yes that's the best reason why. If he wanted to be part of the ecosystem he should have stayed there. Oh and if he has a Samsung watch and tablet he has an ecosystem oh and there is Android auto as well.


First off, stop lying. Workers at the factories in China where Apple is producing its phones aren't paid .10c per hour. Per the Chicago Tribune report "including overtime, take-home pay averages 4,200 yuan to 5,500 yuan ($650-$850) a month," not the $4.00 a week you allege. Second, Samsung makes phones in China as well, but makes over half its phones in Vietnam where the GDP per capita is about a quarter than that of China. Finally, you didn't address the fact that Apple employs tens of thousands of good paying jobs in California alone, and maybe were unaware that Apple is the largest taxpayer in not only the United States, but also the world.
 
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Despite the fact that only a tiny percentage of notes are actually blowing up, the first thing everyone says when you mention the note7 from now on will be "doesnt that phone blow up?" Just like the 6 plus' was "doesnt that phone bend?".
but unlike Samsung, who is willing to take a huge loss and recall it all.

what was Apple's respond? "We only have a few reports.... shhhhh"
 
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Despite the fact that only a tiny percentage of notes are actually blowing up, the first thing everyone says when you mention the note7 from now on will be "doesnt that phone blow up?" Just like the 6 plus' was "doesnt that phone bend?".

The idiot who spread that used a lot of force to bend the iPhone.

As for Samsung, you'll never know if you will be "contemplated" with an explosion.
 
Samsung is resisting because they have already determined the issue and fixed it. Taking this through the CPSC would ensure that the Note 7 is dead for good in the US. By the time the CPSC got around to lifting the "No sale" order off the phone even though it was fixed Samsung would be better off to just discontinue the Note in the US. It would take months to get it back on the market and at that point would be pointless. If you really think the CPSC would push the Samsung case to the front and expedite the process for them then you haven't dealt with government bureaucracy in your life.

Now I know that's a dream come true for Apple fans who dream and long for a non-competitive phone market, but not good for innovation.


I think most Apple aficionados want strong competition. Competitors nipping at their heels is healthy and important as you say. I have owned and used Samsung phones and think Samsung makes a very good phone and am glad for it. For me, the values of the corporation, the emphasis on privacy, and ecosystem, iOS, etc., lead me to prefer the iPhone.

Your post, however, didn't address the important safety issues that Consumer Reports raises. I am also not sure you understand the point of making it illegal to sell a product that may have a serious public safety defect. You don't ever lift the "no sale" on them. They all need to go back to the factory and get certified as repaired and registered so if you buy one in the future you can determine if it was part of the recall and if so, was it repaired. Required safety messages to the public need to be worked out. Right now, you or a family member can still buy one, and in the future the way Samsung is handling this someone can buy one without knowing that there is an issue to be alert to, or if it is has been inspected and repaired or if it is one that will catch on fire and/or explode and injure or kill someone.
 
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Ha Ha a California company that stores finances off the coast to avoid taxes. That builds the phones in third world countries and pays meager .10 per hour. Ha ha yes that's the best reason why. If he wanted to be part of the ecosystem he should have stayed there. Oh and if he has a Samsung watch and tablet he has an ecosystem oh and there is Android auto as well.
You're right, apple wants to make the iPhone as cheap as possible, just like Samsung wants to make phones as cheap as possible.
I think I can say that both Samsung and apple have usp's. I buy iPhones (I also tried android phones in the past) because for me they have more usp's. for example:
- software and hardware are perfectly optimized. Or do you think it is logical a dual core, 2gb, year old phone destroys a brand new note that has 8 cores and double the ram?
- iPhones have so much more resale value
- the apps on iOS are much better in quality and have much more exclusives.
-apple does not make money of my personal data unlike android
-iOS is much more polished then android, which to me always looks unfinished
- with apple I am sure to always get the newest software available from day 1. I do not have to wait for moths until the newest version gets out for my phone. And I still get updates after 1,5 years.
 
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You're right, apple wants to make the iPhone as cheap as possible, just like Samsung wants to make phones as cheap as possible.
I think I can say that both Samsung and apple have usp's. I buy iPhones (I also tried android phones in the past) because for me they have more usp's. for example:
- software and hardware are perfectly optimized. Or do you think it is logical a dual core, 2gb, year old phone destroys a brand new note that has 8 cores and double the ram?
- iPhones have so much more resale value
- the apps on iOS are much better in quality and have much more exclusives.
-apple does not make money of my personal data unlike android
-iOS is much more polished then android, which to me always looks unfinished
- with apple I am sure to always get the newest software available from day 1. I do not have to wait for moths until the newest version gets out for my phone. And I still get updates after 1,5 years.


Please don't keep repeating his lie about what Apple factory workers get paid.Per the Chicago Tribune report "including overtime, take-home pay averages 4,200 yuan to 5,500 yuan ($650-$850) a month," not $4.00 a week he's trolling with.
 
Now I know that's a dream come true for Apple fans who dream and long for a non-competitive phone market, but not good for innovation.

Apple doesn't need the Note 7 to disappear from the market to compete. They already crush Samsung in the flagship phone market.
 
Per the Chicago Tribune report "including overtime, take-home pay averages 4,200 yuan to 5,500 yuan ($650-$850) a month," not the $4.00 a week you allege. Second, Samsung makes phones in China as well, but makes over half its phone in Vietnam where the GDP per capita is about a quarter than that of China.

$650-850 a month? I'd say that's still a pretty poor salary, but I see why Apple and other corporations do it because it's good for creating maximum wealth for shareholders.

I'm not sure about other Samsung phones, but mine was made in Korea. My LG watch was made in Korea as well. Now of course they manufacture other places as well, but they still build a lot of stuff in South Korea. Name an Apple product built in the US? Mac Pro doesn't count because it's so old and forgotten they might as well can the whole line.

I own Apple stuff and enjoy it, but I wouldn't put them on a pedestal when it comes to taking care of people or giving back to their home country.
 
Apple doesn't need the Note 7 to disappear from the market to compete. They already crush Samsung in the flagship phone market.

Then why do they even waste engineering money on new products anyhow? If the brand is enough to sell them they might as well do like they've done with the Mac line and just keep selling the same old stuff.
 
Why the switch? He can swap out and get a new Note 7 and unless they release something different than the "leaks" no iphone can even compare to note 7. I have had every iPhone since the 3 and again they are so far behind the game and the sales and data prove that

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$650-850 a month? I'd say that's still a pretty poor salary, but I see why Apple and other corporations do it because it's good for creating maximum wealth for shareholders.

I'm not sure about other Samsung phones, but mine was made in Korea. My LG watch was made in Korea as well. Now of course they manufacture other places as well, but they still build a lot of stuff in South Korea. Name an Apple product built in the US? Mac Pro doesn't count because it's so old and forgotten they might as well can the whole line.

I own Apple stuff and enjoy it, but I wouldn't put them on a pedestal when it comes to taking care of people or giving back to their home country.


As of 2015, Samsung produces about 40 million phones in Korea, 270 in Vietnam, and 150 in China, and some in Brazil and Indonesia. It's moving out of China, where Apple builds, because of the lower wages in Vietnam.

I didn't put Apple on a pedestal, the response was to why someone might want to support Apple or Samsung. It may not matter to you which companies support more American jobs and infrastructure, but to many people it does. The fact that the money that Apple spends and invests with US based suppliers supports 361K jobs in the US, and the direct employment of 76K Apple employees in the US is important to some people. I am glad those jobs exist in the US for all the benefits they bring people, their families and their communities. I am also glad that they support hundreds of thousands of jobs elsewhere around the world, and that as the largest taxpayer in the world they contribute so much to all those countries. I am also glad that, as the largest taxpayer in the US, they contribute more than any other company to supporting our schools, roads, and a million other things. Wait, maybe I should consider putting them on a pedestal???
 
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I'd argue the company who could benefit most from the Note 7 battery issue is LG with their new V20 that is supposed to be introduced tomorrow. A lot of Note 7 buyers want a large screened Android phablet and the V20 will probably be the most direct competitor.

After the LG G5 disaster I have little hope for the V20 and their "friends" idea. But you may be right. As long as they don't do a cheap Touchwiz knockoff skin I may look at it. But then again I would trust iPhone first followed by Nexus/pixel second.
 
Lol, you know a lot of people who would rather have a Stylus than a phone that won't explode when charging? Do you not know what this does to the perception of Samsung as a whole? They aren't done, but this is a PR nightmare. Go ahead and claim they are recalling them. How do you go about switching them in? Take it to an Apple Store? Lol couldn't help myself

Oh dear, I've seen far far far far far too many 'known Apple issues' for exploding battery's to ever be considered a PR nightmare lol. Apples tax dodging is more of a PR nightmare.
 
After the LG G5 disaster I have little hope for the V20 and their "friends" idea. But you may be right. As long as they don't do a cheap Touchwiz knockoff skin I may look at it. But then again I would trust iPhone first followed by Nexus/pixel second.

Rumor has it the V20 will not be modular, but will use a sort of half door to access the battery. I had a G3 and a G4 and enjoyed both of them. The only issue I had was the G4 was really flaky on 5ghz wifi so I always had to keep it on the slower 2.4ghz band.

They really need to get back to something like the G3 design, but with a metal body.

The biggest deal breaker for me though is so far only Apple and Samsung higher end phones are eligible for the yearly upgrade program at Verizon. Unless the V20 gets added to that program I'll probably just hold out until I get a replacement Note 7.
 
From a business aspect of this I do think it's wise for Apple to up manufacturing for the 7 or 6SE because this will surely make Android as a whole look bad regardless of how big or small the actual issue is.

"Surely make Android as a whole look bad".

Really? The Note 7 issue is related to one of the two battery manufacturers that Samsung uses for the Note 7. How in the world does this impact Android as a whole? The Note 7 is one Android phone out of a boat load of Android phones.
The Note 7 is a decent phone but it's not the holy grail of Android. I decided not to buy it because it's slower than a iPhone 6S and Samsungs update history is trash.
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Rumor has it the V20 will not be modular, but will use a sort of half door to access the battery. I had a G3 and a G4 and enjoyed both of them. The only issue I had was the G4 was really flaky on 5ghz wifi so I always had to keep it on the slower 2.4ghz band.

They really need to get back to something like the G3 design, but with a metal body.

The biggest deal breaker for me though is so far only Apple and Samsung higher end phones are eligible for the yearly upgrade program at Verizon. Unless the V20 gets added to that program I'll probably just hold out until I get a replacement Note 7.

Got to love that yearly upgrade. I plan on getting rid of my Galaxy S7 for a iPhone 7 plus. Will have to pay a little but the S7 is just sitting while I use a iPhone SE. Just tired of the lag here and there. I was actually surprised to see the Note 7 on the plan because Note's always lose tons of value.
 
Why the switch? He can swap out and get a new Note 7 and unless they release something different than the "leaks" no iphone can even compare to note 7. I have had every iPhone since the 3 and again they are so far behind the game and the sales and data prove that
Yet Apple were still first to release a 64bit processor in a smartphone, where even qualcomm, who makes their entire business of producing chips and the like, were still more than a year away from mass production...

No amount of leaks showed that one coming. You never know what they have up their sleeve.
 
Why the switch? He can swap out and get a new Note 7 and unless they release something different than the "leaks" no iphone can even compare to note 7. I have had every iPhone since the 3 and again they are so far behind the game and the sales and data prove that

Sales data show the iPhone destroying the Galaxy S and Note 7. I call BS until you can provide a source.

And you must have missed that test showing a year old iPhone 6S faster than a Note 7.
 
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