Apple Speaks Out Against Trump Order to Rescind Protections for Transgender Students

[bopajuice]

Yeah, it's typical liberal denial.

"I didn't go to vote but I am not okay with what was decided."

How can you equate liberals with not voting? Nonsense.

Didn't the democrats win the popular vote by a couple of million or does that not matter because you are up to your ears in alternative facts at this point.

It's not denial, we got over it. Now we are dealing with the beginnings of a dictatorship. Enjoy.

 

[MadeTheSwitch]

And you wanted evidence that they claimed that, I gave it to you.

No. What we want is actual evidence. What you provided is merely an unsubstantiated claim. Like saying the moon landing was fake or bigfoot exist. Okay...prove it. Show the evidence.

 

[Patriot24]

Oh look, stupid pathetic people who think they are all high and mighty because they identify as whatever stupid gender they can come up with.

No, screw all this transgender protection crap. If you want to use a bathroom for the other gender, feel free to do it but accept any consequences that come with them. If you want to call yourself whatever gender you want or want people to use whatever pronouns you want, you can do that, but it's none of our business if they don't want to comply. Live in your fantasy world, but don't expect us to live in your fantasy world.

Also Apple should build new Macs instead of posting PC (no pun intended) **** like this.

You are aware that people are born with both sets of genitalia and varied hormone levels, yes? It isn't really a choice they get to make.

Ironically, people of faith seem to take the most offense to the above situation. Isn't it part of the master plan? Or does that only apply when they decide it does?

 

[MadeTheSwitch]

Curious as to what sort of education a child could receive in a public bathroom that you and Tim are so concerned about.

Really?

You don't think a child worrying about where they can pee and if they are going to be harassed and discriminated over it affects their education? Seriously?

Man...you sound like you've never been in a school in your life.

 

[Zedcars]

Funny how Apple is so quick to speak on political issues, but silent on even acknowledging their products MANY shortcomings - especially as of late - exactly what kind of company are they trying to be?

Yeah, because - as well all know - a faulty keyboard is equatable to basic human rights.

 

[hellopupy]

I'm curious why you don't have that same opinion regarding the administration? Do you think Trump is an authority on where you "drop a deuce"? I see no evidence here that you care about that.

I need to correct some misunderstandings on your part.

In your signature, you reference "remember Sweden" as Trump was wrong about Sweden, actually he was right. Sweden is often referred to the rape capital of Europe (or the west) due to their open policy leading to the influx of muslim refugees and migrants (who do not share the same culture with us. in their culture rape, sex assault, stonings, honor killings for children and women are all accepted). Sweden is heavily politically correct right now where pointing the finger at those who are responsible for these crimes is considered a hate crime. Grenade attacks are now a relatively normal occurrence in Sweden when it was at 0 before the muslims came.

In reference to Trump and Russian leaks, it is false. Julian Assange has already come out and debunked several times his sources were not Russian. They have a 100% accuracy rate, meaning nobody has ever come out and debunked any of their leaks before. John Podesta was not hacked by Russia, he was phished and people here on an Apple forum should know that getting phished is one of the oldest tricks in the book. His own tech admin admitted that he approved a request for John to respond to the password phish. DNC leaks were by democratic operative Seth Rich, he was shot in cold blood, twice in the back shortly after the leak.

You have really bit on to the mainstream media bait, hook line and sinker.

 

[bopajuice]

I feel really sad when I read some of the posts here.
As the partner of a Transgendered Woman I know at first hand the bigotry of some people towards people like her.

She has even been threatened with being outed as a MALE Paedo despite her having had that part of her body removed almost 20 years ago. That can't be right. The threat of her being arrested for not having an ID that corresponds to the one given to her at Birth (the toilet law conundrum) and thrown into a MALE Holding cell is enough to make her never want to set foot in her country of birth again (She's from Nebraska).
Just try to imagine for a moment you were her and it happened to you?

Well done Tim and Apple for standing up to the neanderthals in Politics.

Sorry you have to deal with such ignorance and stupidity. People will always attack and what they don't understand. I still think this country is a long way from getting past racism and bigotry. Unfortunately that crowd seems to be in the majority at the moment. Many people do feel your pain. Hang in there.

 

[MacsRgr8]

Uh, no we didn't. Trump lost the popular vote. He won on the technicality of the Electoral College, not because most people wanted him.

So, democracy works well, doesn't it...?

Over here in Holland it's even worse... we have to choose between dozens of political parties (most of which change their political ideas often), so that hardly ever a cabinet can be formed with less than 3 parties (which usually had opposite ideas before the elections).

So no-one actually favours the cabinet formed. And, of course, due to the nature of having opposing parties in the government, legislation is very hard to push through.

 

[chr1s60]

Why are Americans complaining about Donald Trump? They clearly wanted this guy as president; they picked him in the primaries and then elected him over Hillary in the end as well. Stop whining.

And don't give me the excuse that Hillary was no better... there was Bernie Sanders but it seems like Americans ignored him (he would have been great).

There is a difference. Many did want Trump, many didn't vote, and many just didn't like Hillary. The problem is that many can't get past the election results. The Democratic party was so bent on having a Clinton and a woman all in one, they couldn't go against her. This was their major fault. Had they done the correct thing and nominated Sanders, he would have easily won the election. Eventually they will stop acting like children throwing a tantrum, like so many of them have been since November.

What Apple has to do with any of this, I don't know. It seems 2017 is the year where everyone thinks they are a politician and an activist. From social media, to the Hollywood award shows, to even large companies like Apple.

 

[MadeTheSwitch]

You have really bit on to the mainstream media bait, hook line and sinker.

And you fell for the jokes that are in my signature. Well done.
The first person, but probably not the last!

 

[btrach144]

Can our companies need to stay out of politics. This is how lobbies form.

 

[doelcm82]

Curious as to what sort of education a child could receive in a public bathroom that you and Tim are so concerned about.

Good point. Why would anyone support schools forcing a trans boy to use the girl's bathroom? Or a trans girl to use the boys bathroom? Makes no sense.

 

[Patriot24]

What Apple has to do with any of this, I don't know. It seems 2017 is the year where everyone thinks they are a politician and an activist. From social media, to the Hollywood award shows, to even large companies like Apple.

We should never dissuade people from standing up for what they believe in, even if it runs counter to our own opinions. That's what America was founded on. We can't give in to the idea that everyone needs to accept whatever they're told and to be quiet.

I disagree with several people in this thread, but I'd never tell them that their opinion doesn't matter.

 

[Technarchy]

Yeah, because - as well all know - a faulty keyboard is equatable to basic human rights.

It's a basic human right for a girl pretending to be a boy to go to the boy's bathroom?

I think not.

 

[MadeTheSwitch]

Can our companies need to stay out of politics. This is how lobbies form.

They can't. Because as Mitt Romney said: "Corporations are people my friend".
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It's a basic human right for a girl pretending to be a boy to go to the boy's bathroom?

I think not.

Pretending? No. What they identify and feel that they are, yes.

 

[chr1s60]

We should never dissuade people from standing up for what they believe in, even if it runs counter to our own opinions. That's what America was founded on. We can't give in to the idea that everyone needs to accept whatever they're told and to be quiet.

I disagree with several people in this thread, but I'd never tell them that their opinion doesn't matter.

There is nothing wrong with people voicing their opinion. Everyone is entitled to what they believe. My issue is with Apple here. See, Tim represents Apple, which includes thousands of employees. HE nor APPLE represent the views of all their employees. When you group a company as a whole to make a statement on issues they are speaking for many who do not agree or wish to be spoken for.

 

[Technarchy]

They can't. Because as Mitt Romney said: "Corporations are people my friend".
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Pretending? No. What they identify and feel that they are, yes.

I identify as an elderly person, give me social security so I can retire.

I'm chronologically in my early 40's, but I feel 70. So bring on the social security and medicare and discounted train passes and movie tickets.

 

[MadeTheSwitch]

There is nothing wrong with people voicing their opinion. Everyone is entitled to what they believe. My issue is with Apple here. See, Tim represents Apple, which includes thousands of employees. HE nor APPLE represent the views of all their employees. When you group a company as a whole to make a statement on issues they are speaking for many who do not agree or wish to be spoken for.

Okay. But couldn't that be said for literally anything a company does and any product they make? For instance, if they are polluting the air or a river, they are still polluting even if you are against pollution.

 

[SeaFox]

...that thing that keeps the rest of the country from having to follow every imaginative, ridiculous idea that Kalifornia dreams up and tries to force down the rest of the country's throat.

Yes. Thank goodness we have been spared having to follow ridiculous ideas like universal health care, for more sane ones like building walls and getting your enemies to pay for it. Also great knowing my tax dollars fund one of the best intelligence and diplomatic operations in the world, but the President chooses to gets his info from FoxNews instead, and regularly pisses off our allies in 140 characters or less.

Please vote for CalExit. Trust me, if we could, the rest of us would likely vote for CalExit as well.

Fun fact: In Brexit, the margin of LEAVE winning over STAY* was smaller than the margin that preferred Hillary to Trump** in the U.S. Election.

* 51.89% > 48.11%
** 48% > 45.9%

 

[garirry]

You are aware that people are born with both sets of genitalia and varied hormone levels, yes? It isn't really a choice they get to make.

Well first off if by both sets of genitalia you're referring to intersex people then they're VERY uncommon, and as for the second choice well you can change your gender, have sex reassignment, use the bathroom of your choice, etc. but don't expect people to call you by your desired pronouns or whatever. I don't support discrimination of this kind of thing, but I don't expect transgender people to be so demanding as to how much respect they deserve. By SJW logic, I'm a white male so I probably have all the privilege in the world, but I don't get a lot of respect from people. So it's always their behaviour that will define how much respect they'll get.

 

[Zedcars]

Here we go again. Stick to making consumer products.

Couldn't disagree more. He's got a golden opportunity to speak out about these awful decisions that are screwing everything up for so many people. To stay silent would be showing, at best indifference, at worst complicity.

 

[BoneDaddy]

Apple is capable of both making consumer products* and issuing three-sentence anti-discrimination statements to a news outlet.

*Alright, so some of the Macs beg to differ, but that's another story...



Apple obviously perceives that is in their best interest to make their position known. Silence could be interpreted as tacit agreement. I think this is good for them for both recruiting a diverse workforce (what if a talented engineer who happened to be trans felt uncomfortable applying?) as well as ensuring socially-conscious buyers know what kind of organization their money is supporting.

I think most people's disagreement here can be boiled down to the fact that trans people freak them out and that they therefore don't want companies speaking up about it. (I had a couple friends from college who ended up being trans, and I think they were a great help for me in understanding these issues. I wish everyone could experience that, but everyone can at least read about it or have an open mind.) Much like gay rights, this shouldn't even be a political issue. Maybe Apple will stop speaking up about it when people's rights are no longer politicized, but I suspect you'll still be disappointed as, being a business, they probably have opinions on economic issues too, which probably going to also be considered political issues for the rest of time.

It's pathetic to try and sum up anyone's disagreement to them being freaked out by trans people. Childlike in every way...

YOU didn't speak out against the millions of people Obama deported. Guess, by your logic, that means you're for mass deportation. You also don't speak out on murder rates in ghettos. Guess you favor black on black crime...

Get out of here with your elementary and clearly bias fallacies.

 

[Zedcars]

It's a basic human right for a girl pretending to be a boy to go to the boy's bathroom?

I think not.

I think you've got a fundamental misunderstanding of transgender issues.

 

[MadeTheSwitch]

I identify as an elderly person, give me social security so I can retire.

Clearly you don't understand transgender issues. I suggest reading some books to get some knowledge on the subject and start having empathy for others...if that's possible. Here's a list to get you started: https://www.goodreads.com/shelf/show/transgender

 

[/dev/toaster]

Why are Americans complaining about Donald Trump? They clearly wanted this guy as president; they picked him in the primaries and then elected him over Hillary in the end as well. Stop whining.

And don't give me the excuse that Hillary was no better... there was Bernie Sanders but it seems like Americans ignored him (he would have been great).

The majority of Americans who voted did not want him and voted against him. But because of the outdated Electoral College system, he basically won on a technicality.