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Apple's Nokia Deal Could Cost Android Manufacturers Too

This is a good article.

Well Apple and Nokia are on the same page now. And Apple is helping keep Nokia afloat.

Now we'll see if more lawsuits are filed.
 
spacemanspifff said:
OK so Nokia won... ...or did they? Sure, they finally got Apple to pay up for using their patents all these years and in the process they cross licensed some stuff from Apple too.

Now in my opinion, the interesting subtext here is not about Apple having to pay Nokia, everyone knew that was on the cards, but that Nokia have cross licensed some Apple patented stuff. See where I'm going? This puts a very large weight behind Apples case in going after all the Android boys to licence their tech too! So by the time all the other manufacturers start paying Apple like Nokia is now going to do, then Apple will probably not loose anything financially from this one.

I imagine a dark room full of Apple lawyers all laughing maniacally as El Steevo enters throwing his hands up and saying "Well done my pets, they played right into our hands" Whoooo ha ha haa haaaaaa!!
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Cross licensing... it appears Nokia is payin Apple nothing. They settled, and Apple it appears will pay a sum up front then a few 100 million quarterly to Nokia.
The cross licensing part is that Nokia, instead of taking payment for some patents, will just exchange usage rights for some of Apples.

Though you do have a point in that Nokia did license some of Apple patents given them at least some validity. Then again... it may end up being the same story for Apple with the others they have sued... ie cross licensing and thats it.
 
John Dillinger said:
P.S. Apple hasnt managed to get a single Android manufacturer to settle yet. Whilst Im sure more than a few judges' eyebrows were raised at the latest iOS Notification system to come out of Cupertino ;)
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Well, the story I heard says the notification interface was first implemented by an app in the jailbroken iPhone app market. I don't know whether the guy who first implemented it has a case against Android, but Apple is said to be his employer now, so it is possible the original designer of this system is actually part of Apple's team now. By the way, judges do not consider a claim (or raise their eyebrows if neither side brings something up in the first place), as almost nothing is as simple as rambling blog posts or even professional media make it sound like.
 
The last thing Google needs is another lawsuit over Android. It already has a class action suit from Android users themselves.
 
Rodimus Prime said:
The only way this even "hurts" android and others is they have to keep paying the fees they have been paying any how.

oh wait that does nothing to them and it is status quo. If Apple had won it would of done some good so to speak because they would no longer have to license them.
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Can you provide a reference backing up the claim that the others have been paying these royalties all along?
 
theBB said:
Well, the story I heard says the notification interface was first implemented by an app in the jailbroken iPhone app market. I don't know whether the guy who first implemented it has a case against Android, but Apple is said to be his employer now, so it is possible the original designer of this system is actually part of Apple's team now. By the way, judges do not consider a claim (or raise their eyebrows if neither side brings something up in the first place), as almost nothing is as simple as rambling blog posts or even professional media make it sound like.
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Lol I know but you gotta admit its pretty funny. Pot meet kettle type.

Its more likely that the app developer copied android seeing as for the first year iOS was only web apps, and jailbreak devs tend to take the best from all OS's. Whether they bought him or not... you'd a thunk Apple would have more pride but there you go.
 
southernpaws said:
Can you provide a reference backing up the claim that the others have been paying these royalties all along?
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they already are in this thread multiple times. Also go look at Nokia original filing.

Other wise tell me were the law suit is for companies that have been making cell phones a hell of a lot longer than before the iPhone was even a pipe dream at Apple.
 
don't forget microsoft is dead along with google.....but before you go

- most vendors are already paying the legitimate fees, its just apple that had to sit in time out
- The amount hasn't been finalized but some estimates are $.7B up front and royalties rightfully so on using this little known tech called GSM.
- Android i would imagine wouldn't license any of these patents since its an operating system not phone hardware.

just saying.....
BRLawyer said:
This is much more clear evidence of the failed US patent system than anything else...

But even then, SJ is a genius in making such a move - settle for a lost cause, pay a few millions, cross-license the rest and let Android burn under the newly-acquired legitimacy of Nokia's patents...simply genius. :rolleyes:
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Rodimus Prime said:
they already are in this thread multiple times. Also go look at Nokia original filing.

Other wise tell me were the law suit is for companies that have been making cell phones a hell of a lot longer than before the iPhone was even a pipe dream at Apple.
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was just about to edit the post after leafing through the pages of posts.
 
I'm surprised by people saying the other manufacturers are fully licensed for the same network level patents as Apple, when we don't even know what they're about.

Mobile industry is a moving target. Right now it's moving to LTE. Guess who has LTE patents? Nokia

Patent enforcement may come at any time. Look how InterDigital filed a complaint against Nokia in 2007, well after Nokia had 3G mobile phones around. Nokia had a license for InterDigital's 2G tech, but not (according to InterDigital) for the 3G.

Sure it didn't succeed in that particular corner, but InterDigital did get millions in license payments from other mobile companies such as Apple, RIM and Samsung (though the latter after a legal staring competition)

Would not be surprised at all if Nokia - now empowered by this highly publicised win - found something in their books that would let them grab a few bucks out of other manufacturers.

Doesn't their new Redmond-based leader do the same?
 
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With a picture like that, how can anyone not guess what the article will be about? It just has Android and Nokia and all things about lawsuits and settlements riddled all over it!
 
kind of hard to slight Nokia when their patents are the cornerstone of the GSM technology that all vendors (over 40) have already been licensing. Truth is apple thought they were above it and lost, i don't think anyone saw them wining other than just minimizing their costs.
gkpm said:
I'm surprised by people saying the other manufacturers are fully licensed for the same network level patents as Apple, when we don't even know what they're about.

Mobile industry is a moving target. Right now it's moving to LTE. Guess who has LTE patents? Nokia

Patent enforcement may come at any time. Look how InterDigital tried to sue Nokia in 2006, well after Nokia had mobile phones around.

Sure it didn't succeed in that particular corner, but not before extracting millions in payments from other mobile companies such as Apple, RIM and Samsung (though the latter after a legal staring competition)

Would not be surprised at all if Nokia - now empowered by this highly publicised win - found something in their books that would let them grab a few bucks out of other manufacturers.

Doesn't their new Redmond-based leader do the same?
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ten-oak-druid said:
Mueller had been following this for some time. He has an earlier article on the subject back in January of this year:

Google is patently too weak to protect Android

He refers to Google as a "Suit Magnet" and lists a dozen filed to date.

He points out that Googles lack of patents makes cross-licensing less likely.
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yeah might like to point out a flaw in your trashing of Google of that and Android and you pressing FUD.

To go take on Android directly requires you taking on the Open handset alliance. I am pretty sure that group has enough patents to protect Android as most of the major players in cell phones are part of that group and I believe all the manufactures (or at least majors ones) using Android are part of it. So that means Samsung, LG, Sony, Motolura HTC which between them have a pretty large pool.

You already have proven you hate android and mostly just have been spreading miss information based on that hate.
 
plus they seem to overlook simple things too

- android is software and wouldn't need hardware patents
- hardware vendors are currently licensing the appropriate technology from Nokia

macbots can't be bothered with reason and facts
 
I understand that people love Apple - especially on here - I really do. But what I don't understand is why people are black and white about that love. Meaning - why some people love Apple and that, in turn, means you must HATE other companies and wish them failure, to die, etc. You can love one company without condemning others.

I love my wife - that doesn't mean I hate all other women or wish them ill.

Ultimately - as a consumer - you should want competition to exist - if only to keep those companies you love "honest" - and...well... competitive.

Monopolies don't do a service for the customer. And you only have to look as far as the iPhone in the US to get my point. How many people were constantly griping that ATT was the only service provider you could use for the iPhone. How many clamored for that exclusivity to end?

My .02
 
Rodimus Prime said:
To go take on Android directly requires you taking on the Open handset alliance.
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If so, why is Microsoft suing Motorola directly over Android?

Then by your guess the OHA going to retaliate as a joint entity?

I'll get my popcorn then. Any idea when this will happen?
 
Rodimus Prime said:
yeah might like to point out a flaw in your trashing of Google of that and Android and you pressing FUD.

To go take on Android directly requires you taking on the Open handset alliance. I am pretty sure that group has enough patents to protect Android as most of the major players in cell phones are part of that group and I believe all the manufactures (or at least majors ones) using Android are part of it. So that means Samsung, LG, Sony, Motolura HTC which between them have a pretty large pool.

You already have proven you hate android and mostly just have been spreading miss information based on that hate.
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LOL

Yes no one would ever sue Google. Or Apple for that matter. :rolleyes:

Edit: I'm still laughing over this "logic".
 
BRLawyer said:
This is much more clear evidence of the failed US patent system than anything else...

But even then, SJ is a genius in making such a move - settle for a lost cause, pay a few millions, cross-license the rest and let Android burn under the newly-acquired legitimacy of Nokia's patents...simply genius. :rolleyes:
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Genius? Really? Nokia said to Steve: "You have to pay me". Steve replies: " Yes, sir". What a genius!

This article is clear BS. Nokia did not sue Apple for iOS. They sued them for hardware. The patents have nothing to do with iOS or Android.
 
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