Can I hope about Mac Pro update at August 7th

[flappo]

The number of ACTIVE users is less than a quarter of the 120k signed up here at MR. Hell, the max users ever online at one time was only around 9,000. Let's say the number is 30,000.

What about people who don't post? What about guests? EDIT: I should point out that guests ALWAYS outnumber members. At this moment there are 164 members logged in and over 1200 guests (1200 / 164 = 7.3)

Well, let's assume you're right and mac rumors posts are an accurate measurement (which it is not). That would mean 7 out of 30,000 mac users are waiting for the mac pro.

If there are 22 million mac users worldwide (22,000 / 30) * 7 = 5,100 users waiting. There also a large number of people who will hear about the new specs of the MP and buy one based on that, as opposed to sitting around and waiting for it to be updated. I would conjecture that the 'casual' buyers are going to outnumber people who are waiting. They're going to see the new mac pro specs and decide that they want one.

Again, it is really stupid to say the number of people waiting here on MR are a proportional representation of reality. The reality is that bulk shipments are waiting on the new version as well as the tiny portion of people waiting around here.

The Mac Pro, especially, is bought by PROFESSIONALS. It's a demographics issue: Different people, in general, buy the Mac Pro than buy any other Apple machine.

Most people who are going to buy a mac pro have real professional and social lives and wont spend them posting "OMG I WANNA NEW MAC PRO GIMME" on a forum, especially since it does nothing but pass the time.

i think you just proved his argument for him

the percentage of people who care compared to those who don't / or who have other things to care about like a life / job / career is skewed massively

say apple sell 100k mac pros - 7 guys moaning incessantly about outdated videocards will never really amount to anything , so why bother ?

we all bought mac pro's - and we don't care if they're outdated in a few days /week / month / year

we bought it to do the job - it does and it and that's that

a slightly faster videocard ( for what use i can't quite fathom out ) and a possible 10-20% faster cpu don't really float my boat i have to say

 

[suneohair]

Wow. Lots of action here today! I think it is funny that people think because we are not making a dent in sales Apple doesn't have to update. It makes no sense. Besides, y goal is not to make a dent in their sales. My goal is to wait til the update. I don't care if people are buying them now and getting ripped off. Congrats to them.

Topper and MM, I have thought a lot about Tuesday. Looking at the numbers, Harpertown is what I want. In reality I would prefer them to not update Tuesday if they weren't going with Harpertown.

Early access for them IMO, could be possible. Assuming Intel has production going. I say that because Mac Pro doesn't sell like the other models. I could see them needing maybe 20,000 chips in the beginning.

We will see though. Tuesday may bring nothing, it may bring a decent update, and it could bring Harpertown and SS. Only Apple knows. But, only 2 days away

It is not about the performance increase flappo. It is about the pricing. The Mac Pro at this point in time is a major rip off. Regardless of its performance and how similar it may be to something new. Technology has moved forward in the last year. The Mac Pro has not. If you would like to buy a product knowing full well it is a rip off, be my guest. It is similar to paying MSRP for the current years car model at the end of August. To each their own. I can do my job without the Mac Pro. And I choose to use my money wisely. Which for me is waiting. get over yourself.

 

[Wild-Bill]

we all bought mac pro's - and we don't care if they're outdated in a few days /week / month / year

Uhh........ you had your Mac Pro given to you, if I remember correctly. It's funny, up until your Mac Pro was "given" to you I seem to remember you posting telling people to wait for updates, and that newer video cards would be coming. Quite the hypocrite if you ask me.

You wonder why people get heated about the subject? Probably because people who use their hard-earned money to buy a machine want value for their dollar. Now, if someone gave me a Mac Pro I'd have nothing to complain about, but I certainly wouldn't be on here bashing people who were waiting.

 

[slughead]

say apple sell 100k mac pros - 7 guys moaning incessantly about outdated videocards will never really amount to anything , so why bother ?

So you're saying there will be no noticeable increase in sales after the mac pros are updated?

If you're saying posts here are insignificant, that seems obvious.

If you're saying everyone who's waiting for updates has posted about it in this forum, you're crazy.

 

[yadmonkey]

the percentage of people who care compared to those who don't / or who have other things to care about like a life / job / career is skewed massively

I always appreciate the people who have too much of a life to care about Mac updates, but not quite enough of a life to refrain from chastising the people who do care.

say apple sell 100k mac pros - 7 guys moaning incessantly about outdated videocards will never really amount to anything , so why bother ?

Super logic here. Because 7 people are "moaning incessantly" (posting occasionally) in this thread, it is logical to conclude that exactly 7 people in the world are waiting. BTW, that's 8 if you include me. I have a couple of buddies who are waiting too, so let's say 10. Something tells me there are more of us still...

In fact, it could be argued that if there's any significant increase in Mac Pro sales following an update, then all of those extra sales are attributable to people who were waiting, consciously or not. Otherwise, sales levels would remain flat before and after updates and Apple would feel no need to be secretive about them.

we all bought mac pro's - and we don't care if they're outdated in a few days /week / month / year

Who is this "we" you speak for? Do you represent a consortium of Mac Pro users?

a slightly faster videocard ( for what use i can't quite fathom out ) and a possible 10-20% faster cpu don't really float my boat i have to say

That's fine. It's OK for people to feel differently from each other. For some of the people on this thread, a faster video card and 10-20% faster cpu provides surprising boat floatation, even if you don't understand why. I hope you can learn to tolerate us wretched souls.

 

[Evergreen]

Apple could go ten years without upgrading the vid cards and you'd still have someone here saying that the old tech is good enough for their use.

 

[DZL]

i think you just proved his argument for him

the percentage of people who care compared to those who don't / or who have other things to care about like a life / job / career is skewed massively

care to show me those 'percentages'?

say apple sell 100k mac pros - 7 guys moaning incessantly about outdated videocards will never really amount to anything , so why bother ?

again, i'll have to ask what you used for reference...

we all bought mac pro's - and we don't care if they're outdated in a few days /week / month / year

do you have a mouse in your pocket? who's 'we'? show me your stats.

we bought it to do the job - it does and it and that's that

doesn't change the fact you (ahem) over-"paid" for yours (cough).

a slightly faster videocard ( for what use i can't quite fathom out ) and a possible 10-20% faster cpu don't really float my boat i have to say

your not getting it - it doesn't matter that you can't fathom 'out' what a faster vid card can do -- it doesn't change the fact that it is a year and and a half old card that they are charging the original price for...

wash, rinse, repeat.

DZL.

 

[flappo]

I have to ask what apps you're(sic) using that require anything more powerful than a radeon x1900xt 512 and quad 2.66/3 ghz xeon packed with loads of ram and 4 massive hard disks ?

Even Tiger isn't utilising more than 1 core , so I'd hardly be bothered about the hardware situation. If anything's letting the side down it's the software.

You're getting ahead of yourselves on all this stuff.

 

[contoursvt]

I think whats bothering people is that the computer is still pretty much the price it was when it was released...even though the X1900 is cheaper and has been greatly passed by in terms of performance by other cards that are not much more $$ yet those options are not available to users who wish to buy a Mac Pro.

An X2900 ati card is not much more than an X1900XT. An 8800GTS is not much more either. Both of them have considerably more horsepower. Why buy a computer which will probably be kept for at least 3 years when the card is no longer cutting edge but you pay for cutting edge prices.

...also I hardly believe tiger does not use more than 1 core for its own tasts. If windows XP and Vista can make use of more than 1 core, then I'm sure Tiger does as well

I have to ask what apps you're(sic) using that require anything more powerful than a radeon x1900xt 512 and quad 2.66/3 ghz xeon packed with loads of ram and 4 massive hard disks ?

Even Tiger isn't utilising more than 1 core , so I'd hardly be bothered about the hardware situation. If anything's letting the side down it's the software.

You're getting ahead of yourselves on all this stuff.

 

[empezar]

you've convinced me flappo!

I'm gonna buy a mac pro today, it's simply not worth waiting one day to see if the mac pros are gonna get updated on a mac only apple event on the 1 year day of mac pro.

 

[DZL]

I have to ask what apps you're(sic) using that require anything more powerful than a radeon x1900xt 512 and quad 2.66/3 ghz xeon packed with loads of ram and 4 massive hard disks ?

Even Tiger isn't utilising more than 1 core , so I'd hardly be bothered about the hardware situation. If anything's letting the side down it's the software.

You're getting ahead of yourselves on all this stuff.

you're just not getting it - i'm NOT paying top-dollar for a vid card that came out in January 2006. In other words, paying the same price right now that it was sold for in January 2006. a year and a half ago.

now, if apple wants to offer the X1900 as a lower card, and make the price fair - (i.e. what the card is worth now - not what it was worth in January 2006) i don't have a problem with that.

DZL

 

[flappo]

you're just not getting it - i'm NOT paying top-dollar for a vid card that came out in January 2006. In other words, paying the same price right now that it was sold for in January 2006. a year and a half ago.

now, if apple wants to offer the X1900 as a lower card, and make the price fair - (i.e. what the card is worth now - not what it was worth in January 2006) i don't have a problem with that.

DZL

but you don't even own a mac , you're coming from the pc side - a side that is obsessed with the latest and greatest and all that tech spec drivel , macusers on the whole don't give a monkeys about whats under the hood. as long as it does the job , is reliable and looks and performs nicely that's probably all that really matters

i've been a machead for over 15 years and believe me ; you get used to the lethargic pace of apple's progress on some fronts and their incredible rapidity in others - they're a unique company - probably why some of us are so loyal to them and love them so much

if you're so bothered about having an up to date computer take my advice - build a pc

you've convinced me flappo!

I'm gonna buy a mac pro today, it's simply not worth waiting one day to see if the mac pros are gonna get updated on a mac only apple event on the 1 year day of mac pro.

the pro won't be updated tomorrow - but you keep on waiting like the mugs you lot are

it'll be mac mini , imac and the new macbook thin

and probably an apple tv upgrade

 

[stimpycat]

Funny how those who say people are daft for waiting are the people who have dropped their money on a Mac Pro already haha.

I am a professional user with 3k in his pocket - and I am waiting. I don't doubt the current Mac Pro will handle everything I throw at it, but that really isn't the point.

If your going to spend 3k on a new computer - 99% of people would feel happier knowing that they are getting the latest and greatest rather than a 12 month old system.

Also, for something that is reserved for high-end professionals - 1GB RAM and a 250 HD for £1699 doesn't cut the mustard for me.

If you know business you'll know everything depreciates in value and desirability - and the Mac Pro is no different - apart from the fact Apple don't adjust the price.

I don't doubt that a car built in 2000 will get me to my destination any faster than a car built in 2007 - but I'll be dammed if I would spend the same money on them both.

If you don't want to wait and have brought last years spec at today's prices then fine -but don't come on here nit picking the people that want to wait.

the pro won't be updated tomorrow - but you keep on waiting like the mugs you lot are

Sour grapes anyone hohoho I laugh so hard.

 

[sonarghost]

but you don't even own a mac , you're coming from the pc side - a side that is obsessed with the latest and greatest and all that tech spec drivel , macusers on the whole don't give a monkeys about whats under the hood. as long as it does the job , is reliable and looks and performs nicely that's probably all that really matters

i've been a machead for over 15 years and believe me ; you get used to the lethargic pace of apple's progress on some fronts and their incredible rapidity in others - they're a unique company - probably why some of us are so loyal to them and love them so much

if you're so bothered about having an up to date computer take my advice - build a pc

I don't think you get the point. Would you pay X amount for a brand new year 2001 bmw, jeep, ect. When you can get a brand new 2007 model with all of the newest bells and whistles for the same price? "hey it does the job" of getting you around as well. "looks and performs nicely" as well. Does that mean you see no difference in why I should want the newest model? I really, really hope you would say no. How does this really differ from new computer components? Paying an insane price for an over a year and a half old video card? How can you justify this? Stating that they are a unique company just doesn't cut it.

I have used macs, and only macs, for the last 10 years of my life. I do love the company and their innovations; however, I do not let that "cloud" my judgement by saying "Hey It works...that's all that matters".

 

[stimpycat]

macusers on the whole don't give a monkeys about whats under the hood. as long as it does the job , is reliable and looks and performs nicely that's probably all that really matters

If that is true, why did you upgrade your Mac Pro to 4GB RAM and add an extra 500GB of HD space?

What is it that your upgraded 2.66 Mac Pro couldn't do with only 1GB of RAM and made you stick another 3GB in it?

 

[suneohair]

If that is true, why did you upgrade your Mac Pro to 4GB RAM and add an extra 500GB of HD space?

What is it that your upgraded 2.66 Mac Pro couldn't do with only 1GB of RAM and made you stick another 3GB in it?

Nice stimpycat! No one needs anymore than what the Mac Pro comes with. Another good question would be why did he get the X1900 instead of the 7300GT, I mean what are you doing that would require an X1900? You wouldn't be gaming would you...? Macs don't do that.

 

[flappo]

If that is true, why did you upgrade your Mac Pro to 4GB RAM and add an extra 500GB of HD space?

What is it that your upgraded 2.66 Mac Pro couldn't do with only 1GB of RAM and made you stick another 3GB in it?

run os-x efficiently for starters , upgrading the ram is obv. and picking up on that is just plain silly and shows your lack of mac knowledge

 

[suneohair]

run os-x efficiently for starters , upgrading the ram is obv. and picking up on that is just plain silly and shows your lack of mac knowledge

Come again?

 

[flappo]

Nice stimpycat! No one needs anymore than what the Mac Pro comes with. Another good question would be why did he get the X1900 instead of the 7300GT, I mean what are you doing that would require an X1900? You wouldn't be gaming would you...? Macs don't do that.

it's a tower , therefore upgrading is the whole point of the thing

the cpu however is more than powerful enough for ANYTHING ( work related ) you can throw at it , and the videocard although old is still good enough in most cases - apart from the latest - hahaha - games...

if you actually bought a mac pro with the idea of using it for gaming you should see a psychiatrist , can you honestly say a mac is as good as a ps3/360/pc for gaming ??

now that IS funny

Come again?

os-x is a ram sponge , always has been

4 cpus - 256 megs each won't cut it , so naturally you upgrade the ram

do i have to explain everything ?

 

[stimpycat]

it's a tower , therefore upgrading is the whole point of the thing

the cpu however is more than powerful enough for ANYTHING ( work related ) you can throw at it , and the videocard although old is still good enough in most cases - apart from the latest - hahaha - games...

if you actually bought a mac pro with the idea of using it for gaming you should see a psychiatrist , can you honestly say a mac is as good as a ps3/360/pc for gaming ??

now that IS funny

You still haven't answered my original question..

What is it that you couldn't do with the current 'standard' Mac Pro - and why you felt the need to upgrade?

Was it not good enough for you the way it was perhaps?

 

[flappo]

You still haven't answered my original question..

What is it that you couldn't do with the current 'standard' Mac Pro - and why you felt the need to upgrade?

Was it not good enough for you the way it was perhaps?

as i explained above - and you really should know as it's basic knowledge - os-x won't run properly without sufficient ram

that's WHY i upgraded it - unless you'd be happy to run a 4 core mac with 256 megs per core..

to question it is simply daft beyond belief

 

[stimpycat]

run os-x efficiently for starters , upgrading the ram is obv. and picking up on that is just plain silly and shows your lack of mac knowledge

So you have just stated that 1GB of RAM will not run OSX efficiently - this is the same 1 GB of RAM Apple put into every Mac Pro as standard...and your saying it's not enough to run their opperating system effectivly.

I wouldn't pay £1699 for something that won't even run an operating system - HENCE WHY I WILL NOT BUY NOW!

Why the heck didn't you wait too - hoho - sucker.

 

[Wild-Bill]

but you don't even own a mac

Neither do you flappo. Who gave you that Mac Pro again????

you're coming from the pc side - a side that is obsessed with the latest and greatest and all that tech spec drivel

Nice stereotypical observation

People, flappo does indeed "get it". He is merely posting this drivel in order to get a rise out of people. Check his post history. Prior to having his Mac Pro given to him, he was speculating about new video cards and the like, and even recommended to someone that they wait for updates.

In fact, when another user had posted similar trash to what he's posting, he placed that user on ignore. Hypocrite?

This message is hidden because SDAVE is on your ignore list.
that's better , now can we get back to discussions about the mac pro and the new video cards without being hassled by a 'pro' with an ego problem ?

i'd love to wait , but i'm in a quandry
my dad's imac packed up and he was going to buy a new one
SO i managed to convince him to buy me a mac pro and i'd give him my imac in return

 

[suneohair]

it's a tower , therefore upgrading is the whole point of the thing

the cpu however is more than powerful enough for ANYTHING ( work related ) you can throw at it , and the videocard although old is still good enough in most cases - apart from the latest - hahaha - games...

if you actually bought a mac pro with the idea of using it for gaming you should see a psychiatrist , can you honestly say a mac is as good as a ps3/360/pc for gaming ??

now that IS funny

But Mac people don't care what is under the hood..? They just want to buy it from Apple and use it. Good enough for anyone of course.

The CPU is powerful, I won't deny that. But guess what, there are MORE powerful ones that are the same price now and news 45nm which will will be more powerful when released and those will also be same price/cheaper.

What it seems like you are saying is that since you think it is fine for you, Macs can use the same parts. Just like the MBP, wait. Just updated to newest Merom and 2GB.... 8600M GT as well. Why would they do that? I mean, it was good enough for anyone before!

Also, I don't play games. My question was directed toward whether or not you play games. Whats more is that you didn't answer the question. You simply shifted to your rant about games on a Mac. So what exactly do you need the X1900XT for? I owned a Mac Pro and I know that the 7300GT has no problems running OS X. In fact, the GMA950 in the Macbook does just fine. So was it a case of you wanting the best? Or maybe trying to milk your father, which doesn't seem to be out of the question for you.

os-x is a ram sponge , always has been

4 cpus - 256 megs each won't cut it , so naturally you upgrade the ram

do i have to explain everything ?

RAM sponge. No doubt. But an iMac with 512MB can OS X just fine. Heck my DP 500 G4 with 1GB runs OS X just fine. Minimal swapping for what it is as well.

And please, lets not attempt to act superior.

 

[flappo]

So you have just stated that 1GB of RAM will not run OSX efficiently - this is the same 1 GB of RAM Apple put into every Mac Pro as standard...and your saying it's not enough to run their opperating system effectivly.

I wouldn't pay £1699 for something that won't even run an operating system - HENCE WHY I WILL NOT BUY NOW!

Why the heck didn't you wait too - hoho - sucker.

wait for what , pray tell ?

a miniscule cpu upgrade , a videocard that's basically pointless on anything but the massive gigantic selection of state of the art mac games ( sarcasm mode )

and as for calling me a sucker , i don't know what you are , but a knowledgeable mac user isn't one of them , proven by your utter lack of the very basics of os-x

as for buying the pro , i bought it when i wanted it , simple as that

if you're obsessed with being top dog and suckered into the tech spec twaddle , good luck to ya in keeping up with the mcjones's

it's gonna be a very expensive ride i can assure you