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Beautiful hardware, but the fact remains, iOS absolutely positively sucks for any sort of productivity tasks so you're basically dropping a ton of $ to browse the web (and you can't even change the default browser to Chrome) and consume media, which can be done just as well on the "cheap" iPad or a zillion cheaper Android alternatives.

Fact? No, opinion. It may not do what you want it to or in the way you think it should but it is extremely useful for many beyond web browsing. iOS 11 is taking it up several notches as well.
 
UPS guy came at 2:30 PM. iOS 11 beta 1 running on it 20 minutes later. Restoring 12.9" iPad pro backup. It has 4 times the capacity of my 128 Gb Pro :). I think it and the iPad Air 2 are both going on eBay.

How is iOS 11? Really stable enough to be on production workflow?
 
You could if iOS recognized the device though right? I have a Lightning to USB-C cable for my MacBook Pro, couldn't I connect my iPad to some USB-C device with it?

My guess is that all you need is support in the OS.
The problem is that "support". USB-C is still limited by the basic USB principle of host-slave devices. USB-C is "dumber" than FireWire. Almost all of the work is on the Host computer to negotiate all the attached devices, drivers, and protocols... iPads just aren't wired to do that.

I'd love to take a powered USB-C hub and chain off a few USB music devices maybe another iPad while mixing and editing in iMovie and GarageBand. but it's not gonna happen. even though iPads can work with each device "one-at-a-time", they can't handle IO of multiple devices so Apple keeps you from trying.
 
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Anyone having issues with their volume buttons on their new 10.5? Mine work erratically, I'm assuming it's a hardware issue, but I thought I'd check before I took a trip to the Apple Store.
 
I’m gonna hold on to my 9.7 Pro. While this new iPad is great it’s just a slightly improved version of what I have, and I can see that edgeless iPad Pro on the horizon in 2018.
 
Anyone having issues with their volume buttons on their new 10.5? Mine work erratically, I'm assuming it's a hardware issue, but I thought I'd check before I took a trip to the Apple Store.

Probably just needs to be broken in. Tap on up/down volume several times to see if it fixes itself otherwise go for exchange.
 
Beautiful hardware, but the fact remains, iOS absolutely positively sucks for any sort of productivity tasks so you're basically dropping a ton of $ to browse the web (and you can't even change the default browser to Chrome) and consume media, which can be done just as well on the "cheap" iPad or a zillion cheaper Android alternatives.

So me taking notes from all my meetings with the Apple pencil, annotating board papers, sketching designs for reports are not productivity tasks?
 
Beautiful hardware, but the fact remains, iOS absolutely positively sucks for any sort of productivity tasks so you're basically dropping a ton of $ to browse the web (and you can't even change the default browser to Chrome) and consume media, which can be done just as well on the "cheap" iPad or a zillion cheaper Android alternatives.
Hahahahahaha. Oh and hahahahahaha. Wow. Just be quiet.
 
So, you are comparing hardware assisted decode to software decode, and complaining that the software decode doesn't keep up?

I'll also point out that the A9 does have hardware decode for 10-bit HEVC, but it won't be enabled until iOS 11. So I'd actually expect the 10.5" and 9.7" Pros to have similar decode performance once the hardware block is enabled.

You're just regurgitating what everyone knows from WWDC 2017. People buying the 2017 iPad Pros now are just buying specs until the software experience is delivered with iOS 11 release three or four months from now. Until then they have to put up with software decoding and the question is whether the A10X which is supposedly faster than A9X is fast enough to smoothly software decode HEVC 10bit 1080p which wasn't possible with 1st gen 2015/2016 iPad Pros. Hardware decoding is preferable but software decoding is achievable if the CPU/SoC is fast enough. For example, an old 2012 PC can software decode HEVC 10bit 4K up to 30fps.

The question was directed more at someone competent with HEVC software and hardware decoding like Perene and not for unknowing apologists.
 
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I was messing around with a friend's tonight. It really is impressive. The speed is crazy on everything. I REALLY don't want to get one, but at the same time I'm reluctantly talking myself into it more and more each day. I haven't had an iPad since the iPad 2. Oh how far we've come.
 
Guy at work got one yesterday. While the screen at first seemed not that much bigger, I do like the 120 refresh rate. Very nice
 
My kids are good with their iPad Air.

I never use and should get rid of my iPad Mini Retina 3G.

The iPad 'Pro' should have a good smart keyboard (because the current one is garbage) and it should run MacOS with an iOS 'Tablet' mode. Until then, it's not a Pro, it's just the iPad Air 3 or 4.

Microsoft can't do much right. And there are certainly issues with the Surface Pro, but that machine and its keyboard are in many ways what the iPad Pro should be.

iOS is not a productivity OS.
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Haven't missed the phone jack on the phone and never use it on my iPad. They should remove it maybe because I have AirPods. Boy are they sweet.
My kids listen to and watch movies in the car on long rides using a splitter and a pair of headphones. The audio jack on an iPad is useful.
 
It is just mind blowing how many people are bothered by the pro name in an ipad.

Come on: why so upset by a name? Ipad mini(for now), ipad and iPad Pro.
MacBook -MacBook Pro
iMac -IMac Pro
Ipad-Ipad Pro,

It just means that the pro's have better specs and more possibilities than the regular device.That's all.

I do hope Apple sticks with the Pro naming now.

That being said, I would have preferred simplicity: one iPad (reasonably pow) for all, making that part of the identity. But I get it, of course.
 
This iPad Pro 10.5 should be illegal on the tablet market... It blows everything else out of the way!

By the way: Has the touch latency been reduced as well, or is it just the Apple Pencil latency that has been reduced?

Yes. The latency is much better from testing yesterday .
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Haven't missed the phone jack on the phone and never use it on my iPad. They should remove it maybe because I have AirPods. Boy are they sweet.

AirPods are awesome, super convenient , still crap sound though. They get destroyed by same price wired headphones/earphone. Headphone jack stays :)
 
No OLED
NO 3D Touch
No Multiuser sign in
No Bluetooth 5.0

NO BUY

I actually see the iPad being updated in late 2018/early 2019. That said, it's been speculated that Apple might bypass OLED and use Micro-Led for the next display. Which would make it a much brighter, crisper display, wider color gamut and dramatically use less battery.

I do think 3D Touch will eventually make its way to the iPad. It needs adequate room for a Haptic Engine and a solid state button would follow. Cook stated the level of difficulty it was for the iPhone, which I imagine the iPad would be on whole another level
 
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Microsoft can't do much right. And there are certainly issues with the Surface Pro, but that machine and its keyboard are in many ways what the iPad Pro should be.
Not sure I follow your comment. Microsoft can do ALOT right. They currently make the best laptops, Windows 10 is almost as good as macOS, and the Surface Pro tablets are, as you say, actual pro tablets with a full OS and excellent keyboard.
 
Looking forward to trying it next time I visit the AS.
But I'm not sure I'm going to buy it. Let's see how Air 2 works with iOS 11, I don't really need the Pencil so I might keep it for another year or two.
The new display with higher refresh rate sounds great, but I don't think is a compelling reason to buy the new model.
 
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I really felt bad about upgrading from the 9.7 pro to the 10.5 pro. Until I opened and used it today. HUGE difference.

I'll wait till next year and see if Apple does to the iPad what they will be doing for the iPhone 8. I'm sad the mini is ending though. If they had made a mini pro, I'd be all over that in a hot second!
 
A move in the right direction. It's about [___] time !!
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I'll wait till next year and see if Apple does to the iPad what they will be doing for the iPhone 8. I'm sad the mini is ending though. If they had made a mini pro, I'd be all over that in a hot second!

I think I read that the mini isn't nearly as profitable so, if it gets the axe, that's probably why. Now, Apple did offer us the iPhone SE which is a great value and didn't alienate those who prefer the smaller, pocketable, smartphone. I'm really do hope they do some bezel magic with the mini and give it pencil support. That would be awesome !! With no other major product breakthroughs I don't see why not.
 
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