Instead of the notch ....

[TravisPNW]

Just because the 8 is inferior to the X, doesn’t make the 8 a bad option. To eat their own right?

Yep. I loved how you used the word inferior to describe a phone using the exact same processor as the X.

I mean, I get it... you're getting the X and it's superior to the 8 because it has the OLED screen as well as Face ID and animojis all of which I personally don't give af about at the present time... but hey, if if makes your epeen bigger by having the "flagship" phone in Apple's lineup... go ahead and flex it.

Nothing wrong with preferring touch ID and I'm glad Apple still included that in the iPhone 8 this year. And I think having two options for the time being is better than just having one.

Totally agree. Looking forward to the user reviews on the X as well... hopefully before St. Patrick's Day.

 

[Wags]

The purpose of the notch is to make it look different. How do your suggestions help that?

I believe the notch is there so they can claim the diagonal space more than aesthetics to be different

 

[MisterMillz]

I've been a two-handed user since the original iPhone, so bending the thumb hasn't been an issue for me.

Which is why I said most. When I pick my phone up (most often when the phone needs to be unlocked) I don’t use two hands. That’d be rather awkward to pick up like that. When typing away I normally use two hands.

 

[DNichter]

Yep. I loved how you used the word inferior to describe a phone using the exact same processor as the X.

I mean, I get it... you're getting the X and it's superior to the 8 because it has the OLED screen as well as Face ID and animojis all of which I personally don't give af about at the present time... but hey, if if makes your epeen bigger by having the "flagship" phone in Apple's lineup... go ahead and flex it.



Totally agree. Looking forward to the user reviews on the X as well... hopefully before St. Patrick's Day.

It’s more so in regard to the inferior screen, huge bezels and chin. Nothing to flex, it’s obvious which is an inferior phone. By the way, I’m just messing with you and others cause everyone seems to get so upset over nothing.

 

[9594864]

The purpose of the notch is to make it look different. How do your suggestions help that?

No. That is absolutely not the purpose of the notch. Apple doesn’t do things with moronic ideals like making some aspect of the device a specific way to specifically look different. That’s not how Apple designs. Read anything you want about the design team, that’s not it. Read the latest interview from Jony Ive. That’s not it.

Apple designs what they believe is the best way something could be designed. They design the way they think makes the experience best, and the device most beautiful.

In the case of the notch, they are unequivocally Wrong. It’s moronic design. However, only software, the notch in hardware is great.

 

[Droidbricker]

Is this supposed to influence my opinion based on what I think is a poor design? To answer your question, I have with the Note 8 and S8. And I found it uncomfortable and awkward.

Forming an opinion without using the product seems like a foolish thing to do. I do see why you’d think it’s a poor design if your experience is limited to an S8 or Note 8.

 

[CTHarrryH]

Like all the X features - I know it isn't the nature of forums but how about waiting until we can actually use it and live with it for a while before we think it is horrible or great?
I would not want Touch ID on back - case would be useless among other issues.

 

[TravisPNW]

It’s more so in regard to the inferior screen, huge bezels and chin. Nothing to flex, it’s obvious which is an inferior phone. By the way, I’m just messing with you and others cause everyone seems to get so upset over nothing.

You're right... we won't ever agree. I can't possibly ever agree with someone who drives an inferior car.

I can though recommend the Challenger.

See what I did there?

 

[Newtons Apple]

It is a little late for a conversation about the sensor being on the back of the phone.

It is done!

 

[UBS28]

??????

Were you around the forums when the rumor was that the new iPhone would have a fingerprint sensor in the back for TouchID?

Whole lot of threads with a lot of bile on that. Seems you may have missed them?

I don’t spend much time on macrumors. I only came back when the iPad Pro got refreshed.

So what is the problem exactly with a finger sensor on the back?

Because when you hold an iPhone in one hand, your fingers are holding the iPhone upright. So it is not hard to place the finger print sensor somewhere where most people have their fingers located when they hold an iPhone in their hands.
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Like all the X features - I know it isn't the nature of forums but how about waiting until we can actually use it and live with it for a while before we think it is horrible or great?
I would not want Touch ID on back - case would be useless among other issues.

That is indeed a problem. Cases. But perhaps they could make a whole in the case where the finger print sensor is?
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In my opinion there isn't anything worse than a rear mounted fingerprint sensor.

I stand corrected. There is something worse: a rear mounted sensor put near to the camera lens

I rather not have a notch to be honest.

 

[Superrjamz54]

I think they only considered it if the face id failed. I will fully agree that the fingerprint reader on the note 8 and s8 is not the best place on the back to put it in, but I still find myself using it instead of the other options.

The fingerprint sensor should have been under the camera not next to it. Who wants to put their greasy fingers on a camera lens anyway?

 

[DNichter]

I don’t spend much time on macrumors. I only came back when the iPad Pro got refreshed.

So what is the problem exactly with a finger sensor on the back?

Because when you hold an iPhone in one hand, your fingers are holding the iPhone upright. So it is not hard to place the finger print sensor somewhere where most people have their fingers located when they hold an iPhone in their hands.
[doublepost=1507417047][/doublepost]

That is indeed a problem. Cases. But perhaps they could make a whole in the case where the finger print sensor is?
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I rather not have a notch to be honest.

People on macrumors only unlock their phone in their pocket, far away where you can’t see the screen, or in many other obscure ways where the phone isn’t anywhere near you in a normal manner. You have too much logic sir, none of that is welcome here. I think Touch ID on the back is lazy though.

 

[rocksyoursock]

For those saying the back is a bad place for fingerprint, I disagree. My work phone is an S8 and I can unlock it while I’m pulling it out of my pocket just with a natural grip. Having said that, I think Apple wants to push this face tech and I think that’s a good thing.

 

[eyoungren]

I don’t spend much time on macrumors. I only came back when the iPad Pro got refreshed.

So what is the problem exactly with a finger sensor on the back?

Because when you hold an iPhone in one hand, your fingers are holding the iPhone upright. So it is not hard to place the finger print sensor somewhere where most people have their fingers located when they hold an iPhone in their hands.

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/iphone-8-touchid-in-the-rear.2041628/
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/whats-up-with-all-the-hate-with-rear-touch-id.2042449/
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/my-take-on-recent-touch-id-debate.2042798/
https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...e-good-on-the-back-of-the-new-iphone.2042793/
https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...hone-with-fingerprint-sensor-at-back.2042871/
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/new-iphone-8-images-leaked-with-touchid-on-back.2048134/
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/iphone-8-touch-id-on-back-of-phone-again.2057513/
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/apple-logo-could-be-touchid.2063181/

To start you off…

 

[bigjnyc]

Personally, because touch ID on the back of the iPhone is a horrible design placement and physically awkward. And its something Apple would never do.

Ironically that describes the notch lol

 

[UBS28]

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/iphone-8-touchid-in-the-rear.2041628/
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/whats-up-with-all-the-hate-with-rear-touch-id.2042449/
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/my-take-on-recent-touch-id-debate.2042798/
https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...e-good-on-the-back-of-the-new-iphone.2042793/
https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...hone-with-fingerprint-sensor-at-back.2042871/
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/new-iphone-8-images-leaked-with-touchid-on-back.2048134/
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/iphone-8-touch-id-on-back-of-phone-again.2057513/
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/apple-logo-could-be-touchid.2063181/

To start you off…

I hope they are happy with the notch.

For me, the screen is the most important aspect of a smartphone. That should never be comprimised. That is how I primarly interact with the smartphone all day long.

I happily take other comprimises other than messing up the screen.

 

[eyoungren]

I hope they are happy with the notch.

For me, the screen is the most important aspect of a smartphone. That should never be comprimised. That is how I primarly interact with the smartphone all day long.

I happily take other comprimises other than messing up the screen.

Oh, don't get me wrong. I'm not a fan of the notch.

All I was trying to say was that TouchID on the back has been under some discussion here and it seems several people would not be happy with it.

I don't necessarily oppose it on the back, but I have to say some of the solutions presented in pictures in those threads weren't to my liking.

 

[Applejuiced]

I agree.
I don't get how some people see the notch as a feature.
It's a ridiculous idea that they should have scrapped a long time ago.

No. That is absolutely not the purpose of the notch. Apple doesn’t do things with moronic ideals like making some aspect of the device a specific way to specifically look different. That’s not how Apple designs. Read anything you want about the design team, that’s not it. Read the latest interview from Jony Ive. That’s not it.

Apple designs what they believe is the best way something could be designed. They design the way they think makes the experience best, and the device most beautiful.

In the case of the notch, they are unequivocally Wrong. It’s moronic design. However, only software, the notch in hardware is great.

 

[44267547]

Forming an opinion without using the product seems like a foolish thing to do. I do see why you’d think it’s a poor design if your experience is limited to an S8 or Note 8.

Two things:

1.)Did you read my Post you originally quoted me on? (Which I clearly answered) Allow me to reiterate for you:

You asked me:

How many phones have you used for more than a week that had Touch ID on the back?

I answered:

Is this supposed to influence my opinion based on what I think is a poor design? To answer your question, I have with the Note 8 and S8. And I found it uncomfortable and awkward.

What exactly don't you understand? I have more than enough experience both with the Note 8/S8, which is enough to understand if a fingerprint sensor on the back of the reader is a horrible placement idea, which it is.

2.) If you are going to respond to my post, could you please answer the question I asked me the first time without avoiding it? Which is, Regardless of my experience with the Rear fingerprint sensor, is that supposed to influence my decision In which I feel is a poor design to begin with? Does one have to experience something for a set amount of time to understand if a hardware feature is a poor design implementation?

 

[Droidbricker]

Two things:

1.)Did you read my Post you originally quoted me on? (Which I clearly answered) Allow me to reiterate for you:

You asked me:


I answered:



What exactly don't you understand? I have more than enough experience both with the Note 8/S8, which is enough to understand if a fingerprint sensor on the back of the reader is a horrible placement idea, which it is.

2.) If you are going to respond to my post, could you please answer the question I asked me the first time without avoiding it? Which is, Regardless of my experience with the Rear fingerprint sensor, is that supposed to influence my decision In which I feel is a poor design to begin with? Does one have to experience something for a set amount of time to understand if a hardware feature is a poor design implementation?

Did I say that I misunderstood something? I agreed with you that the implementation on the Note 8/S8 was poor. Not sure about the strange triggered response.

 

[HEK]

Consider that face ID is more like your relationship with another person. You don’t poke person to identify yourself to each other. You identify by looking at each other’s face. This was always the ultimate interface beteween hand held device and it’s owner. Until now technically and processor computation wise impossible. Now for first time advances in hardware allow the kind of seemless recognition we do with each other.

Will there be some teething problems. I would be surprised if not. But from the review of the technical implementation along with the testing done by Apple employees for mostly likely a year now, I have a high degree of confidence that this will be the interface identification methodology adopted by most everyone in future.

As AI improves and voice recognition becomes more robust I also see our interface with handheld computing devices becoming dominated by voice interface. A true assistant that recognizes you, understand plane language and your nuances. Learning what your desires and preferences are. As processor speed increases all this smarts can and will be entirely contained within your device, increasing security and not allowing companies like Google or Facebook to be so intrusive in data mining you.

I see this as Apple’s goal, a computing assistant so robust it will be as if you had another person along side you at all times.

 

[oplix]

Why use logic when you can use echo chambers to explain everything