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Semantics. It's still the same net result from an end user perspective. You download ios11 and all of a sudden some of your apps don't run anymore, and never will. It's like jumping off a cliff. A jump I won't be making as I value my old apps.



Why can't I blame both the developers AND Apple? Actually I don't even blame all of the developers. To expect some of these mom and pop outfits to keep up with Apple always changing things at their own expense and no way to recover that cost is a little unreasonable. Plus, with small one person developers someone could have literally died. Should I blame them for dying?



Nope. I would like the new features but like my old apps more.



You won't be given a list before you install if that is what you are asking. You'll get a message when you try and run them, but by then it will be too late and you will be stuck. Apple offers a way into the quicksand, but not a way back out once they stop signing off on the last ios 10 version. It's the thing I hate about Apple the most. Everything should be able to be rolled back whenever you want. One way upgrades with no recourse suck.
The list is there if you access the Apps row in Settings > General > About.

You can also still go back to iOS 10 if you want to.
 
The list is there if you access the Apps row in Settings > General > About.

The average person would not do that. The poster I was replying to made it sound like they were asking if a list would be presented to them upon installation and before committing to it. That would be nice and what Apple should have done, not just with apps on device, but all the apps you have purchased previously that aren't on the device currently due to space reasons. But instead people will get nasty surprises. Not the way Apple should have handled things at all.

You can also still go back to iOS 10 if you want to.
For now. But unless Apple does something massively different than they have in the past, that option will not remain.
 
This is bad. 50% battery drain in less than hour just going on Facebook.
And phone hot to touch.
Not happy. This is on iPhone 7plus.
Why can't apple test their iOS fully before release. Every B****y time this kind of thing happens. Puts you off iPhones for good.
I haven't heard android becoming useless after every update!
Uh.... I've heard of much worse things happening with Android updates. Things like the camera not working at all, documented issues with Bluetooth, and more. It's not all gravy on that side either.
 
It's totally out of order of Apple to do this and just spring this change on developers. If only they had mentioned it, for example, 4 years ago at the launch of their first 64-bit iPhone and iOS, the 5s and iOS 7. Then perhaps developers could have found a few minutes in the last 4 years to compile their apps for 64-bit architecture.

Damn you Apple.

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I know that phone use is a personal thing, but this has been the best update in a long time. Apple has changed things I use regularly in ways that make my life easier/better.

This was also my smoothest install ever. No bugs so far. Battery life is unchanged.
 
Coming from the android world, it is so refreshing for this to just "happen" without worrying and wondering when/if your device is going to be updated (or potentially be open to some new virus.)

IOS is a lot better than android. Never going back.

I've never used Android, but why can't Google just push an update?
 
It's totally out of order of Apple to do this and just spring this change on developers. If only they had mentioned it, for example, 4 years ago at the launch of their first 64-bit iPhone and iOS, the 5s and iOS 7. Then perhaps developers could have found a few minutes in the last 4 years to compile their apps for 64-bit architecture.

Damn you Apple.

/s

If only they spent four years educating users and spending even a fraction of time at their press conferences to mention the issue. They have made almost zero effort to explain this to end users. You know, the people who will have their paid for apps broken.
 
Semantics. It's still the same net result from an end user perspective. You download ios11 and all of a sudden some of your apps don't run anymore, and never will. It's like jumping off a cliff. A jump I won't be making as I value my old apps.



Why can't I blame both the developers AND Apple? Actually I don't even blame all of the developers. To expect some of these mom and pop outfits to keep up with Apple always changing things at their own expense and no way to recover that cost is a little unreasonable. Plus, with small one person developers someone could have literally died. Should I blame them for dying?



Nope. I would like the new features but like my old apps more.



You won't be given a list before you install if that is what you are asking. You'll get a message when you try and run them, but by then it will be too late and you will be stuck. Apple offers a way into the quicksand, but not a way back out once they stop signing off on the last ios 10 version. It's the thing I hate about Apple the most. Everything should be able to be rolled back whenever you want. One way upgrades with no recourse suck.
Agree 100% -you saved me typing similar comments. It stinks that Apple expects small developers to "upgrade" apps to 64 bit without any income.
 
This is bad. 50% battery drain in less than hour just going on Facebook.
And phone hot to touch.
Not happy. This is on iPhone 7plus.
Why can't apple test their iOS fully before release. Every B****y time this kind of thing happens. Puts you off iPhones for good.
I haven't heard android becoming useless after every update!
Sounds like the Facebook app is to blame... and it actually is. Anecdotal at best here but I noticed improved battery life on the two devices have been running iOS 11.
 
Really not compelling on iPhone, and probably better to wait for a point release if you’ve got an older device as it will be better optimised further down the road. iPad is a different story though. Already up and running and generally liking the changes there!
 
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The apps themselves tell you that they won't work in future updates and have done so for a long time.
If by a "long time" you mean a few months, sure. :rolleyes: They didn't even say that at first instead giving the useless "may slow down your device" message.
 
If only they spent four years educating users and spending even a fraction of time at their press conferences to mention the issue. They have made almost zero effort to explain this to end users. You know, the people who will have their paid for apps broken.

Your beef is with the developers, not Apple. If they take your money and then leave you hanging, you may not want to deal with them again.

Users don't need to know about 32-bit or 64-bit, the developer just needs to ensure their app will work, just like fixing any other "issue"
 
If only they spent four years educating users and spending even a fraction of time at their press conferences to mention the issue. They have made almost zero effort to explain this to end users. You know, the people who will have their paid for apps broken.

Or conversely, the developers they have been educating could have done something about it. I get that you, and many others value their 32bit apps, but one has to wonder how much the developers themselves value the apps that they are for whatever reason not willing (or able?) to update to a new standard.

I'm not saying Apple, or the developers are right or wrong, it's just interesting. And it should be mentioned that my knowledge of software development is minuscule, so on the off chance that I have my head up my ass, I'm willing to be educated.
 
I've never used Android, but why can't Google just push an update?

Because every android manufacturer pretty much has their own custom version built on top of vanilla android and carriers review updates differently. So Sprint users might get an update today, but Verizon users might not for another month.
 
iOS 10.5 isn't different from what? iOS 11?
Missed the point. 11 is more like 10.5 than it is a real .0 release. At least on iPhone more than iPad. And if it is really more like 10.5, then no one should be surprised by slower adoption rate since interim releases don’t get adoption at the rate that .0 releases do.

The fact that 11 is seeing slower adoption is indicative that it isn’t very feature rich and could be called 10.5.
 
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If you liked all of those extra keys on the keyboard in landscape mode, you might want to hold off. Especially if you have a plus model of the iPhone. They are all gone. I was just on an hour long chat with Apple Support. It was an hour because the support people didn't even know the keys were gone. After being transferred to a supervisor I found out that this is the way of things in iOS11. We are not impressed.
That may actually be a reason to upgrade in my opinion. I hate those keys. I'm always tapping them accidentally. If there was a jailbreak tweak to remove them on iOS 10, I would use it.
 
I was still using iOS 6 until a month and a half ago. It's not as rare as you'd think.
It's still fairly rare these days nonetheless.
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Missed the point. 11 is more like 10.5 than it is a real .0 release. At least on iPhone more than iPad. And if it is really more like 10.5, then no one should be surprised by slower adoption rate since interim releases don’t get adoption at the rate that .0 releases do.

The fact that 11 is seeing slower adoption is indicative that it isn’t very feature rich and could be called 10.5.
Almost every major release was called out by some as being more of a x.5 release of a previous version or something like that. And yet here we are. A statistically insignificant 24 hour period doesn't really say much, not to mention that there's nothing to link the implication of it being tied to not being very feature rich or anything like that aside from people just picking whatever they want and saying that that's what's behind it.
 
What scaremongering? Just did a search in the UK, leading stories is that iOS 11 is about and benefits , nearly all positive. Few warning stories that 32 bit apps will be killed, this is not scaremongering, its fact.

That’s like me saying that all Americans only follow Fox News or CNN.

Your brief flash search on Google.com is not representative of the key readership media outlets in the UK and social media articles.

Stick your nose back where it belongs.
 
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Missed the point. 11 is more like 10.5 than it is a real .0 release. At least on iPhone more than iPad. And if it is really more like 10.5, then no one should be surprised by slower adoption rate since interim releases don’t get adoption at the rate that .0 releases do.

The fact that 11 is seeing slower adoption is indicative that it isn’t very feature rich and could be called 10.5.

I must respectfully disagree then. In terms of look and feel, I've found this is the most radical redesigned since iOS 7. But perhaps there are others who share the same view, hence the lower adoption rate. I checked around with 3 other iPhone users at work, however, and they haven't upgraded simply because their phones haven't prompted them. Kind of hard to know what is driving the slower adoption rate.
 
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I must respectfully disagree then. In terms of look and feel, I've found this is the most radical redesigned since iOS 7. But perhaps there are others who share the same view, hence the lower adoption rate. I checked around with 3 other iPhone users at work, however, and they haven't upgraded simply because their phones haven't prompted them. Kind of hard to know what is driving the slower adoption rate.
My phone looks visually almost the same as it did two days ago with the exception of the new control center the unified notification pane and some font tweaking. Oh but they did take away the force touch appswitcher from the left side of the screen.
 
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