iPad ignored in iOS 10

[sparksd]

IOS 9 cannot edit RAW files - it silently converts to JPG first, then does the edits.
IOS 10 is supposed to allow actual editing of RAW files.

In 9, I thought it was actually using the embedded (small) JPEG in RAW files, not doing any conversion.

 

[M. Gustave]

...Ever tried using Windows 10 (in tablet Mode) on an 8" Windows tablet (Dell Venue 8)?

Ha! I briefly owned a Dell Venue a few years ago. You needed a magnifying glass to see the GUI elements and system text. Nothing scaled correctly. And it was really warm and unstable, shut down about twice a day on me. Awful.

I also prefer 8.1 to Win 10. It was a step backwards. That's what happens when you cave in to forum dwellers and angry Amazon reviewers.

 

[temna]

Time to sell your iPad before the price plummets again! You can get a Pixel C or a Surface Pro / Book instead, those will definitely aren't "consumption device(s)" with "sales plummet(ing) every year"

They won't plummet simply because they never had the numbers that iPad has/had.

 

[sjleworthy]

I just hope they fix the slowing jerky Safari app.

 

[Osty]

Just bought a Surface 3 and I'll be selling my iPad Air 2.

A thought occurred to me yesterday. With a surface 3, I could:

1. install the Ubuntu Linux Subsystem for Linux and suddenly I have a device that gives me a good command line with the tools I need for development
2. install Office/Adobe CS and more
3. install the old school RTS games I love
4. use a pen to draw on the screen in Photoshop
5. get a dock to turn it into a desktop when I feel the need to sit at a desk

Hmm, you know I'm not so much a stick-in-the-mud that I can't give credit where it's due. There's a lot of compelling reasons that I should at least give a Surface a try in my local retailer.

 

[canesalato]

IOS 9 cannot edit RAW files - it silently converts to JPG first, then does the edits.
IOS 10 is supposed to allow actual editing of RAW files.

I wonder if iOS10 raw editing will be "good enough". Right now photos is missing very important parameters, like clarity, definition and noise reduction. Support for these, in my opinion, is the minimum for raw editing to be "useful". Lens correction and local adjustments would be a nice plus (I can dream, can't I?).
I wonder if iOS10 did any progress here

 

[Peepo]

In 9, I thought it was actually using the embedded (small) JPEG in RAW files, not doing any conversion.

Maybe it is. I know if I shoot RAW+JPG then I believe can pick the jpg. If it uses the small embedded then that is bad and I really look forward to IOS 10. I currently edit in OSX for the few RAW I shot lately.

 

[rowspaxe]

Now... MAYBE if they had kept the Windows 8.1 UI for "Tablet Mode", then it would have been better, but it really is absolute Garbage on Windows 10. I LOVED Windows 8.1 - that doesn't mean I thought it was perfect, but it was pretty bold and it was a good direction for the Surface (I understand and agree the UI was terrible for desktop, so Windows 10 is a good thing for desktop computers).

I was victimized by MS's involuntary windows 10 upgrade. I too thought 8.1 was "usable" and hate win 10. After appearing to be on the brink of having it together in 2014, MS has regressed in 2015-16. I still don't understand how 10 is better for desktop users--with its bloated start menu, or tablet users--with its weird 8.1/desktop kluge. I almost feel like they will need to start over... again!

 

[sparksd]

Ha! I briefly owned a Dell Venue a few years ago. You needed a magnifying glass to see the GUI elements and system text. Nothing scaled correctly. And it was really warm and unstable, shut down about twice a day on me. Awful.

I also prefer 8.1 to Win 10. It was a step backwards. That's what happens when you cave in to forum dwellers and angry Amazon reviewers.

Interesting - I prefer 10 to 8.1

Maybe it is. I know if I shoot RAW+JPG then I believe can pick the jpg. If it uses the small embedded then that is bad and I really look forward to IOS 10. I currently edit in OSX for the few RAW I shot lately.

I think that Photoshop Express and Filterstorm Neue are the only two apps that under 9 work on the actual RAW file. for my purposes, I find that the iPad - any version of it - as too inefficient for downloading and editing a large number of RAW images that I may take on a given outing. I recently picked up a Dell XPS 13 as a lightweight tool for that while on the road (using Lightroom on it). I love my iPad but it just doesn't work for significant RAW photo processing for me.

 

[masotime]

I think that Photoshop Express and Filterstorm Neue are the only two apps that under 9 work on the actual RAW file.

PhotoRAW does as well. If you get the USB3 SD card reader, it's pretty easy to get RAW files on your iPad Pro and edit them. However, I don't think you're going to get the RAW photo editing capabilities that top-end software like DXO OpticsPro and Capture One Pro provide.

 

[iosuser]

I splurged $30 on the SD card reader, thinking I'll import photos and videos on my iPad "Pro" from my camera while on a trip, do some quick edits and copy them back to the SD card. Did I feel silly to find that I can't export them back to the SD card. It's like a roach motel I guess I was silly to assume anything with Apple, even such a basic and expected functionality.

 

[canesalato]

Maybe it is. I know if I shoot RAW+JPG then I believe can pick the jpg. If it uses the small embedded then that is bad and I really look forward to IOS 10. I currently edit in OSX for the few RAW I shot lately.

I can confirm this to you. It edits the small embedded. But...here's a trick for you. ;-)
Get the raw on your iPad, edit it in photos (you are now editing the small preview jpeg), choose a filter, like black and white. Save...
Now...open lightroom for iPad. Notice something? Yep, you can now see and edit the raw file! Not the jpeg preview, the real raw file, in lightroom!
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I splurged $30 on the SD card reader, thinking I'll import photos and videos on my iPad "Pro" from my camera while on a trip, do some quick edits and copy them back to the SD card. Did I feel silly to find that I can't export them back to the SD card. It's like a roach motel I guess I was silly to assume anything with Apple, even such a basic and expected functionality.

Yes...incredible that version 10 does not address this. It really sucks. My workflow is very inefficient: I import raws on my iPad (one by one, because there's no multiple selection, for some reason!), edit them...but then I need a mac to airdrop to so that I can store them on an external ssd! It sucks. Productivity workflows should have been at the center of iOS 10 development, not iMessage emoji!

 

[iosuser]

I can confirm this to you. It edits the small embedded. But...here's a trick for you. ;-)
Get the raw on your iPad, edit it in photos (you are now editing the small preview jpeg), choose a filter, like black and white. Save...
Now...open lightroom for iPad. Notice something? Yep, you can now see and edit the raw file! Not the jpeg preview, the real raw file, in lightroom!
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Yes...incredible that version 10 does not address this. It really sucks. My workflow is very inefficient: I import raws on my iPad (one by one, because there's no multiple selection, for some reason!), edit them...but then I need a mac to airdrop to so that I can store them on an external ssd! It sucks. Productivity workflows should have been at the center of iOS 10 development, not iMessage emoji!

Oh yes the fancy iMessage effects more than makes up for it

Also, video files from my Sony A6300 don't show up because Sony stores videos outside of the DCIM folder, and Apple does not allow me to browse the folders manually to grab the video files. Brilliant

 

[soulreaver99]

Did I feel silly to find that I can't export them back to the SD card. It's like a roach motel I guess I was silly to assume anything with Apple, even such a basic and expected functionality.

Just spit tea all over my iPhone because this made me laugh so hard due to it being so true lol

 

[zosokm]

Really disappointed that they didn't do anything for multitasking on the ipad. It was great when they brought it in last year but definitely needs work. Surprised that ipad (and the pro in particular ) was completely ignored. I didn't find much in the way of improving productivity on the ipad in iOS 10 .

 

[Jasmynp]

Plus 1,000,000

Today I was expecting Apple to unleash features like above making the iPad Pro worthy of the Pro moniker.

It's such a beautiful device and powerful but Apple are keeping it as a giant iPad. Very sad indeed. I'm losing faith in Apple more then ever after today's iOS preview.

I'm not losing my faith, I was definitely not impressed. With 4gb of ram and this big beautiful screen, I can't imagine "giant iPad" is the best they could do. I really wanted a major redesign since iOS 10 is a landmark year, but we've got what we've got and it is what it is.

 

[FairyCatInPink]

Of course you cannot define Pro. And yeah they give the usual marketing fluff (see below) which is not realistic but could be.

The 64-bit A9X chip gives iPad Pro the power to easily take on tasks once reserved for workstations and PCs. Not to mention tasks you’d never consider doing on a PC.

iPad Pro is more capable, versatile, and portable than anything that’s come before. In a word, super.

With just a touch, swipe, or jot, you can write, email, surf, scan, render, design, redesign, and do pretty much anything you need to.

So, you're ok with having heavier iPad for more features you need, you give up portability or hours with battery without charging? Because I believe under current technology, with acceptable/reasonable price, what you want to have is impossible to have.
When you want to run lot of software(I mean laptop class softwares), you need more memory and more stronger CPU. Hardware should be strong enough. Like I mentioned, then either you need to pay more ridiculous price which probably anyway none of "usual" level living people like us can even afford to think of buying it, or space needed like laptop, and gain weight.
Then why do you need iPad? The concept of iPad is, portable device than laptop. Many people even don't carry attachable keyboards and/or charger, the great point of iPad is, you can carry it around without many other things, still you can do basic things and web browsing, and some work for business, but not heavy work load like you can do on desktop/laptop.
Sure 4GB ram is good, their chip is faster and strong. But they never be good enough like you can run Mac OS on them.

Again, I really don't understand why people can't understand each device was made based on their priority.
Desktop, probably most strong and carry most memory(I mean when you buy the best at that time) but it's least portable. Some artists carry laptops but when they really need more heavier work and faster, they have to go back to desk top.
Laptop is between desktop and iPad, it's not good enough portability as iPad, still you can bring it around but heavy and more likely after 2-3 hours of work you gonna need to charge it. So you end up carrying extra things and it takes more space in your bag. But it can run same softwares desktop can run, possibly less faster and sometimes even irritates you, if you're artist, you know what I mean.
iPad, the most point of it is portability. And honestly, about one of top Apple people said iPad can replace laptop, I think many people misunderstood what he really meant, and he should have added extra explanation about it. He didn't mean, it fits everyone's need and purpose, not everyone who use laptop can replace with iPad to do what they need to do on their laptop/desktop, that's my understanding and my point of view.

If iPad can do everything laptop can do, and lightest weight, acceptable size and affordable price which you guys think/accept, laptop not gonna exist anymore, and probably so as desktop.
And surely currently we don't have that technology enough.

 

[M. Gustave]

...My workflow is very inefficient: I import raws on my iPad (one by one, because there's no multiple selection, for some reason!), edit them...but then I need a mac to airdrop to so that I can store them on an external ssd! It sucks. Productivity workflows should have been at the center of iOS 10 development, not iMessage emoji!

Agreed that your workflow is inefficient. Starting with shooting raw, and then trying to use the iPad like a traditional workstation. I'm not at all surprised that you're frustrated.

Clearly the intended workflow is to import all your jpegs (either via camera connection kit or wi-fi), with iCloud Photos turned on. Then you simply pull them straight from iCloud to your mac, or use the share sheet to publish, email, or store in other cloud services.

I said 'jpegs' because editing 25MB raws is the very definition of a scientific/professional fringe use case, something a desktop os and laptop with legacy ports can handle with ease. And I don't see anything in Apple's iOS 10 preview website that even mentions raw. I would be very surprised if that's the direction they wanted to go in, because a) it's only a tiny fraction of all people taking photos, and b) people who shoot raw are either fussy OCD amateur hobbyists, or actual paid professionals... and Apple will NEVER satisfy either group with ANY iPad. It's a fool's errand.

 

[scotttnz]

Since Apple keeps referring to the iPad as the computer of the future, I was very surprised they did not roll out multiple user capability in iOS 10.

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Of course iPads have multi user capability......you just have to buy 1 iPad for a each user to get it

It's a win-win. This way you get multi user, and apple sell more iPads. Perfect.

On a more serious note, my biggest disappointment was not adding side by side windows of the same app. Safari doing it is nice, but 2 spreadsheets or documents would be a lot more useful.

 

[pbird]

I can confirm this to you. It edits the small embedded. But...here's a trick for you. ;-)
Get the raw on your iPad, edit it in photos (you are now editing the small preview jpeg), choose a filter, like black and white. Save...
Now...open lightroom for iPad. Notice something? Yep, you can now see and edit the raw file! Not the jpeg preview, the real raw file, in lightroom!

Damn that really works and very well with my Canon cr2 raw files!
Now if there only was a way to batch add those filters to multiple images?
(update, mmm trying to make something myself. I can get the photos, apply a filter and than update the photos. But I cant find a way to bypass the confirm dialog ios shows for each photo. So i have to hit the confirm button for each photo. But still this is pretty fast to do after an import...tap, tap, tap...)
So close, unlike you I have no problem batch importing my raw photos into the iPad with both the usb and sd dongles. One additional step to batch apply those filters would still be doable. Then only local brushes on the iPad is missing from my iPad to PC Lightroom workflow.

 

[bensisko]

So, you're ok with having heavier iPad for more features you need, you give up portability or hours with battery without charging? Because I believe under current technology, with acceptable/reasonable price, what you want to have is impossible to have.
When you want to run lot of software(I mean laptop class softwares), you need more memory and more stronger CPU. Hardware should be strong enough. Like I mentioned, then either you need to pay more ridiculous price which probably anyway none of "usual" level living people like us can even afford to think of buying it, or space needed like laptop, and gain weight.
Then why do you need iPad? The concept of iPad is, portable device than laptop. Many people even don't carry attachable keyboards and/or charger, the great point of iPad is, you can carry it around without many other things, still you can do basic things and web browsing, and some work for business, but not heavy work load like you can do on desktop/laptop.
Sure 4GB ram is good, their chip is faster and strong. But they never be good enough like you can run Mac OS on them.

Again, I really don't understand why people can't understand each device was made based on their priority.
Desktop, probably most strong and carry most memory(I mean when you buy the best at that time) but it's least portable. Some artists carry laptops but when they really need more heavier work and faster, they have to go back to desk top.
Laptop is between desktop and iPad, it's not good enough portability as iPad, still you can bring it around but heavy and more likely after 2-3 hours of work you gonna need to charge it. So you end up carrying extra things and it takes more space in your bag. But it can run same softwares desktop can run, possibly less faster and sometimes even irritates you, if you're artist, you know what I mean.
iPad, the most point of it is portability. And honestly, about one of top Apple people said iPad can replace laptop, I think many people misunderstood what he really meant, and he should have added extra explanation about it. He didn't mean, it fits everyone's need and purpose, not everyone who use laptop can replace with iPad to do what they need to do on their laptop/desktop, that's my understanding and my point of view.

If iPad can do everything laptop can do, and lightest weight, acceptable size and affordable price which you guys think/accept, laptop not gonna exist anymore, and probably so as desktop.
And surely currently we don't have that technology enough.

I agree with everything you said!

I still maintain that, if Apple actually released a macOS tablet, few people would actually buy it.
Assuming Apple makes a 12.9" iPad Pro-sized macOS Tablet, they could do it with the equivalency of a USB-C MacBook, complaints would be as follows:

• It's too underpowered! I need the equivilent of a Retina MacBook Pro!!!
• It's too expensive! Why is it $1499 when the iOS version is only $899??
• Why doesn't the batter last as long as the iPad??
• Where's my USB ports - to be truly "Pro" I need an SD Card reader and legacy USB, not USB C - I don't want dongles!
• The UX (user experience) sucks! OS X wasn't built for touch!

And, of course, there will be those that attach their keyboard with trackpad and never use the touch.

While I'm sure there are a (very) small group of people for which the intersection of device/price is probably a great thing, but I really doubt it would be a huge number.

 

[M. Gustave]

...complaints would be as follows:

• It's too underpowered! I need the equivilent of a Retina MacBook Pro!!!
• It's too expensive! Why is it $1499 when the iOS version is only $899??
• Why doesn't the batter last as long as the iPad??
• Where's my USB ports - to be truly "Pro" I need an SD Card reader and legacy USB, not USB C - I don't want dongles!
• The UX (user experience) sucks! OS X wasn't built for touch!

Hilarious, and 100% spot on.

 

[gpat]

That's sad, an iPad could do a lot more with a Finder allowing seamless data exchange between apps, and a USB-C host port.

 

[bensisko]

That's sad, an iPad could do a lot more with a Finder allowing seamless data exchange between apps, and a USB-C host port.

And if the MacBook had a decent GPU, it could run Fallout 4 and VR.

 

[canesalato]

Oh yes the fancy iMessage effects more than makes up for it

Also, video files from my Sony A6300 don't show up because Sony stores videos outside of the DCIM folder, and Apple does not allow me to browse the folders manually to grab the video files. Brilliant

Oh really? On the a6000 it works, but only with the worst codec (mp4). No XAVCS or AVCHD. Have to import them to my Mac and Airdrop to my iPad "Pro". So bad i can't believe it's true. Maybe they improved on this with iOS10?

Agreed that your workflow is inefficient. Starting with shooting raw, and then trying to use the iPad like a traditional workstation. I'm not at all surprised that you're frustrated.

Clearly the intended workflow is to import all your jpegs (either via camera connection kit or wi-fi), with iCloud Photos turned on. Then you simply pull them straight from iCloud to your mac, or use the share sheet to publish, email, or store in other cloud services.

I said 'jpegs' because editing 25MB raws is the very definition of a scientific/professional fringe use case, something a desktop os and laptop with legacy ports can handle with ease. And I don't see anything in Apple's iOS 10 preview website that even mentions raw. I would be very surprised if that's the direction they wanted to go in, because a) it's only a tiny fraction of all people taking photos, and b) people who shoot raw are either fussy OCD amateur hobbyists, or actual paid professionals... and Apple will NEVER satisfy either group with ANY iPad. It's a fool's errand.

I won't loose my time replying to this message. Think what you want.
About apple website: next time look better, before you write. You sound funny when you write "apple will NEVER add raw support" the day after they did...

Damn that really works and very well with my Canon cr2 raw files!
Now if there only was a way to batch add those filters to multiple images?
(update, mmm trying to make something myself. I can get the photos, apply a filter and than update the photos. But I cant find a way to bypass the confirm dialog ios shows for each photo. So i have to hit the confirm button for each photo. But still this is pretty fast to do after an import...tap, tap, tap...)

Cool!! =) nice job! Did you use Workflow?