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iPhone 13 Lineup Rumored to Feature 120Hz ProMotion Displays, No iPhone SE 3 Until 2022

Do you know if there will still be an I/O connector, lighting or USB, on the iPhone 13? I want to purchase the last iPhone with a power/communication connector
 
kasei said:
Did we skip the iPhone 12?
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This is suggesting you might as well skip the 12 because its going to be a turd of a phone with no real upgrades anywhere. No idea why Apple is even releasing a phone this year.
 
I know it sounds like a broken record....(sorry) - - DITCH THE NOTCH in '21!

Anyway I'll come back in late Spring, or Summer to see more reliable rumors about 2021 iPhone 13.
Let's just get these 12 /12 Pros out first, please
 
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jfeathe said:
If these rumors are true, we’ll have reached a point where we have iPhone models spanning 5 release years that cannot be differentiated except for small camera and performance improvements.

I think one of the biggest “issues” is that iOS is designed so well that the iPhone experience is no longer improved by new models.

Although this would never happen, Apple and Samsung and others could easily justify an every-other-year release schedule for their phones. There is simply not enough that can be done to drastically improve hardware year after year.
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The justification is that there are fools that waste money each year buying a new phone so why would Apple or any other company stop putting out a new one every year and making tons of money?
 
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BeefCake 15 said:
What makes the fingerprint sensor still attractive for the SE3 and not standardize it with the face ID?
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Cost and differentiation, same reason the iPad Air 4 didn't get FaceID.

One could ask about relative timing. The iPad Air 4 came out two years after the iPad Pro got FaceID. The iPhone SE 3 will come out 18 months after the iPad Air 4 and 4.5 years after the iPhone X got FaceID. But then the iPad Air is a mid-range product, the SE is the entry-level phone.
 
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Jony Ive and Co. said:
If this is true, Apple has truly lost their vision and seriously isn't innovating anymore.

If the iPhone 13 has the same design, then the iPhone design will basically not have changed since X, which means 4 years of the same old design for flagship products (iPhone 6-8 had same design, but iPhone 8 was not a flagship). WTF. Why can't Apple go back to 2-year design cycles?!?!?!?

And if a 2022 new iPhone has Touch ID, that will mean that Apple is using the same biometric tech for 9 YEARS. 9 YEARS. I'm sure if Steve Jobs was still here, Touch ID would have been vintage and the entire lineup would have long moved on to Face ID. For Face ID critics and naysayers, Steve Jobs would have fixed all the current Face ID flaws (like doesn't work flat on tables, doesn't work with masks etc) and made it leaps better.

Apple is just stagnating so badly now. But the sad truth is that Steve Jobs made Apple so far ahead that there's simply no competition and no alternatives now.
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this year IS a new design. the following are the generations. iPhone 8 and iPhone SE models have been outliers that were and are mainly about having lower cost models so they don't fit into the generational structure. In fact they exist even as the mainstream cycles change. You can see for the last 7 years Apple has been on a 3 year update cycle, before that it was 2 years, and the original iPhone changed after only a year (plastic redesign). but the bottom line is this month they are announcing the first redesign since the iPhone X.

iPhone
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iPhone 3G
iPhones 3GS
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iPhone 4
iPhone 4S
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iPhone 5
iPhone 5S
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iPhone 6
iPhone 6S
iPhone 7
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iPhone X
iPhone XS
iPhone 11 Pro
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iPhone 12 Pro

This year you get a new body shape, almost all new screen sizes across the lineup (except for the 6.1 in the basic 12, but it will be OLED now) and 5G. This new body shape is likely now to last for the next 3 years. As for the touch-ID tech, it seems the 2022 iPhone SE is likely to go to an all screen design like the iPhone X and on, but use touch-ID in the power button much like the brand new all screen iPad Air does. The interesting possibility is that the mainline iPhones in 2021 or later might contain Face-ID AND the touch-ID which in a new world normal of face mask wearing might come in handy.
 
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jicon said:
Anything solid that the next phone released will be given the 12 moniker, or will it follow the X, with release of the XS, thus looking at the 11RS, 11S, and 11SPro this cycle?
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None of the rumour sources has mentioned the possibility of an 's' naming this year. When they have used a name (instead of just referring to it as the 2020 iPhones), basically all have used the '12' name. Sure, many of them might have just followed the crowd but given all the leaks we have seen about the 2020 iPhones and given that the 's' name was used in rumour reports last year, it's very unlikely that the name '11s' will be used. If none of sources had leaked anything about the '12' name, all those reporting wouldn't have used it.
 
manu chao said:
None of the rumour sources has mentioned the possibility of an 's' naming this year. When they have used a name (instead of just referring to it as the 2020 iPhones), basically all have used the '12' name. Sure, many of them might have just followed the crowd but given all the leaks we have seen about the 2020 iPhones and given that the 's' name was used in rumour reports last year, it's very unlikely that the name '11s' will be used. If none of sources had leaked anything about the '12' name, all those reporting wouldn't have used it.
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with a body redesign kicking off a generation, and 5G the first new cell technology in an iPhone in the last EIGHT years all mean they are getting a full up new number, no "S". it's going to be the iPhone 12 mini, iPhone 12, iPhone 12 Pro, and iPhone 12 Pro Max. I also believe in the future i think it is quite possible Apple may finally abandon weird naming and letters and each year just gets a new number no matter how significant that year's updates are much like the Apple Watch has done the last 5 years. Next year will be an update to this new design but if I were betting it will be the iPhone 13 (or maybe not since some consider that number unlikely lol... can I take it back and say it might be the 12S? lol.)
 
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canyonblue737 said:
with a body redesign kicking off a generation, and 5G the first new cell technology in an iPhone in the last EIGHT years all mean they are getting a full up new number, no "S".
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Absolutely, all 's' were same-body designs. In the absence of any rumour reports on the name (eg, if all rumours had always used the term '2020' or said explicity they weren't sure about the name), that alone would seal the deal. The rumour front just solidifies this. But we even have a leak on the name 'iPhone 12 mini'.
 
So in all likelihood I'll be going to the 12 mini this year (really only upgrading for the better modems - had planned not to upgrade but have been experiencing abysmal service on my 11 Pro Max all around my state) and back to the Pro line next year. I love ProMotion.
 
canyonblue737 said:
this year IS a new design. the following are the generations. iPhone 8 and iPhone SE models have been outliers that were and are mainly about having lower cost models so they don't fit into the generational structure. In fact they exist even as the mainstream cycles change. You can see for the last 7 years Apple has been on a 3 year update cycle, before that it was 2 years, and the original iPhone changed after only a year (plastic redesign). but the bottom line is this month they are announcing the first redesign since the iPhone X.

iPhone
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iPhone 3G
iPhones 3GS
-------
iPhone 4
iPhone 4S
-------
iPhone 5
iPhone 5S
-------
iPhone X
iPhone XS
iPhone 11 Pro
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iPhone 12 Pro

This year you get a new body shape, almost all new screen sizes across the lineup (except for the 6.1 in the basic 12, but it will be OLED now) and 5G. This new body shape is likely now to last for the next 3 years. As for the touch-ID tech, it seems the 2022 iPhone SE is likely to go to an all screen design like the iPhone X and on, but use touch-ID in the power button much like the brand new all screen iPad Air does. The interesting possibility is that the mainline iPhones in 2021 or later might contain Face-ID AND the touch-ID which in a new world normal of face mask wearing might come in handy.
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iPhone 6
iPhone 6S
iPhone 7
iPhone 8

X, Xs , 11 and 12 are the same.

flat edges is not a new design.

when they remove the notch and the design of the cameras still good.
 
guzhogi said:
Just waiting for people to complain how it's not an 8K 240+ Hz display, if not a 3D holographic and not paper thin.
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CWallace said:
Supply constraints, I imagine. It seems that the current suppliers of such displays can meet the lower volume everyone else combined needs, but cannot meet the tens of millions that Apple would need.
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I, “anthogag”, did not say this.
 
kneezmo said:
iPhone 6
iPhone 6S
iPhone 7
iPhone 8

X, Xs , 11 and 12 are the same.

flat edges is not a new design.

when they remove the notch and the design of the cameras still good.
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You didn't read my whole post, nor do you understand how Apple considers generations.

1. First off the iPhone 8 and iPhone SE are not part of the generations. iPhone 8 came out the same fall as the iPhone X so they would have a lower cost option availble. iPhone 6-6S-7 is the generation. iPhone 8 was a hanger on the year a new generation had already begun so that someone who wanted a new iPhone under $1000 could still get one.

2. Flat edges IS a new design. Thats what happened when the 3GS went to the 4. Sure the 4 got a retina screen also, but the 12 is going to get new screens across the board, in new bigger sizes (except the 6.1) and OLED across the board. Also when the 5 came out it was absolutely considered a new generation but kept the flat sides, just lengthed and changed the ratio of the screens. Very subtle but the 5 and 5S is a generation.

3. The iPhone 12 and 12 Pro will absolutely be the start of a whole new generation. They will serve as the footprint of likely the next 3 years of iPhones. If you don't think they are different enough, so be it, if you don't think an all new cell technology for the first time in 8 years is enough, so be it. Don't buy it! But it's a new generation.

PS: At this point with iPhone's being a blank glass slate what IS supposed to be the physical changes that delineate a generational update if not screen size changes, edge changes, and casing material changes?
 
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i don't care about 120gH screen, if that will keep the cost low. However, I'm annoyed with another year with this notch. I'll buy another iPhone when matures enough to be notchless. Period. the rest is for fun. :)
 
canyonblue737 said:
You didn't read my whole post, nor do you understand how Apple considers generations.

1. First off the iPhone 8 and iPhone SE are not part of the generations. iPhone 8 came out the same fall as the iPhone X so they would have a lower cost option availble. iPhone 6-6S-7 is the generation. iPhone 8 was a hanger on the year a new generation had already begun so that someone who wanted a new iPhone under $1000 could still get one.

2. Flat edges IS a new design. Thats what happened when the 3GS went to the 4. Sure the 4 got a retina screen also, but the 12 is going to get new screens across the board, in new bigger sizes (except the 6.1) and OLED across the board. Also when the 5 came out it was absolutely considered a new generation but kept the flat sides, just lengthed and changed the ratio of the screens. Very subtle but the 5 and 5S is a generation.

3. The iPhone 12 and 12 Pro will absolutely be the start of a whole new generation. They will serve as the footprint of likely the next 3 years of iPhones. If you don't think they are different enough, so be it, if you don't think an all new cell technology for the first time in 8 years is enough, so be it. Don't buy it! But it's a new generation.

PS: At this point with iPhone's being a blank glass slate what IS supposed to be the physical changes that delineate a generational update if not screen size changes, edge changes, and casing material changes?
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I agree with you 100%.
 
I don’t understand why would anyone buy an iPhone without Touch ID in the middle of a pandemic,especially if you live in a big city and use public transportation ! Dont know where things will go ,I really hope for the best, but 2021 is gonna be the year of the mask!
Not having Touch ID on your iPhone seems like a major disadvantage these days!
Will wait for the iPhone 13 that will probably have Touch ID implemented on the device.
 
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