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iPhone 2.0 Firmware Due Friday?

Before 3G release

I have a feeling 2.0 will be released before 3G. Launching it without the AppStore really makes sense, here is why I am thinking this:

- Apple wants to see if someone can jailbreak it. This would give them a few weeks to give it before the apps come into play.
- Full scale tests of the underlying system without the Apps skewing the results
- The 3G launch will be at least 2 - 3 times the traffic as last time. They will need to double or triple their infrastructure. Having people downloading both the 2.0 fireware, new Apps and activating 3G phones would be a nightmare.
- The 3G phone will have 2.0 at start, so those (on a few blogs) who say it will be released after the 3G launch are smoking crack. No way Apple backported 3G to it.
- Create a larger buzz around the 3G phone, which Apple doesn't really need to do since everyone and their brother wants one right now.

As far as it launching on Friday, sounds plausible. It also sounds reasonable that they would launch 2.0 this Friday, and AppStore next week. That will give them a week to fix the issues on both layers before the 3G iPhone is released.
 
applefrenzy said:
Golden Master on Friday doesn't mean it would be released to the public on Friday. Presumably they would first release it to the developers to rebuild their apps using it rather than the beta SDK, then some time after that release it to the public along with the App Store.
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How long does it take to install an OS on 2 million iPhones in about 20 different customized languages by default?

It might take from this Friday 27 June to 11 July just to install and package and distribute.

I think we can safely expect a bug release 2.0.1 about 2 weeks after release.

Rocketman
 
I too would bet that the iPhone 3Gs that are already in the shipping channels have a prerelease build of OS 2.0 on them. Apple probably forked one of the betas (i.e. no new features added) and did some quick and dirty debugging, knowing that people will automatically have to update to the latest (final) OS 2.0 build in order to activate/use the 3G.
 
Some interesting things have been happening that make me tend to believe a July 1st release of the 3G and Friday release of 2.0 software.

For some time now my second iPhone was listed as not upgradeable until August 2009. Yesterday AT&T changed that to being eligible for an immediate upgrade with a hardware discount. At the same time the Edge network kept disappearing and reappearing over and over for about 6 hours. Almost like they were tweaking the Edge network to get ready for the mass switch to 3G.

My .Mac account is already set up for mobileme. Done by Apple. This is probably because I am running 10.5.4 which is the final build before release. Please don't ask me how I know. I just do.

So what I'm seeing is the release of the 2.0 Software Friday and the iPhone 3G on sale from AT&T Tuesday instead of the 11th.


Just speculation mind you.
 
sure 2.0 might GM on friday but dont think it will be released quite them. 2.0 needs to GM so this can be released to the manufactures to make the new phones. I dont think Apple will release iPhone v2 with with version 1 software... why you say? Just imagine if someone got iPhone 3g and didnt plug it into iTunes (or didnt update it) they will have version 1 software on their 3g absolute no from Apple's viewpoint! Can you imagine the disaster? Apple will never assume someone will automatically update their phone as soon as they got it.. especially if its activated in store?

Then you might argue that ATT or o2 or someone will update the software on activation? Can you imagine the complete hassle and extra time this will take? The servers will already be busy without millions of 150mb files being downloaded. You say wait 30 mins to sign up to contact, well you can wait at least an extra 15 mins for the download as and install as well.. i dont think that will happen.

Secondly i dont think Apple will release version 2 software without the App store. Apple have avertised 2.0 with app store, what good will that be to have a missing app store or a placeholder that says "coming soon" that doesnt sound like Apple does it? Apple are more heres the software the app store today!

If version 2 was released early it will have to have the app store. Version 2.0 has the app store not "wait for version 2.1" or whatever.

Just some thoughts, flame me all you want:)
 
moved to page 2. gizmodo updated the story

" Also, remember that releasing a Golden Master internally or to developers doesn't mean releasing it to the general public. As announced publicly during WWDC, Apple will make the update available in July.
"

arn
 
I'd be very surprised to see it become available the day it goes gold. Steve said early July didn't he? I think that's what it'll be, even if it's July 1.
 
Riemann Zeta said:
I highly doubt that the GM build of iPhone OS 2 will be "blessed" and publicly released in the same day. First it has to be distributed to all the developers and screened for any critical showstoppers that may emerge (not with the ROM image itself, as that is theoretically finalized, but with the upgrade procedure). I also doubt that it will be released if the App store is not finished--there is an "Installer.app" equivalent on OS 2.0 and Apple isn't going to have that hanging around functionless, even if it only for 2 weeks.

One thing that I do wonder, however, is: how are the 3G phones going to have OS 2.0 on them? Apple already began shipping them from production plants a little while back, right? Thus, I assume that the packaging, et al, is already final. If they haven't already started assembling and shipping them by now, then it is far too late--they won't have many of them available on 11 July 08.
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My theory is that maybe, since they need to be activated in the store anyway, they could update the firmware as it gets activated.
 
Logistical Nightmare

It would be a logistical / support nightmare and overload Apple's servers if all the software updates required to get the new iPhone up and running were delayed until July 11.

Let's see, New OS X; New iPhone Firmware; New iPhone OS; New MobileMe; New iLife apps, iWork apps, Mail, Address Book, iCal, iTunes, iPhoto, Aperture, AppleTV to interface MobileMe... are updates that immediately come to mind.

I suspect that the way Apple has implemented these "New" programs is to "Iam-WhoRU handshake" the other "apps" they interface for a version # and activate features based on the reply-- analogous to the way a browser and web app tailor their operation based on the version of JavaScript, HTML, Plugins, etc.

That said, Apple could release each component (app, firmware, OS, feature) when it is ready (instead of releasing everything at once)

So we could see a staged release of updates over the next few weeks.

These would be easy to download, install and use (familiarize user with new features that are currently activated.)

For example, the AppStore button wouldn't display (or just popup a NA message) on the iPhone unless all the necessary components, elsewhere, were activated.

Done properly, there should be little confusion, rather a set of ever increasing capabilities for the stuff we use... you could think of these as "presents" and the release period as the Eight Days of Christmas (in July).

That's how I'd do it!
 
Argh, latest pet hate: use of "Gold(en) Master", especially, as in this case, no discs are being pressed! What's wrong with "...iPhone 2.0 firmware could be released this Friday"? It would also eliminate the redundant following sentence.
 
a2dp BT

I still can't get it that apple is not giving the iPhone a2dp bluetooth for file transfer and BT headphones, this is siomething that i really can't explain to anybody who is not a apple fan boy like me .

You sit somewhere like in a train and some nice girl wants to send you a photo or her adress card, and then , no go. Happend to me just last week, i was so ...... , my freind with his cheap nokia got it instead, it appaers the iPhone is not even vissible to other phones, i sure hope someone will sell some app in the appstore to get it to work dispite apple,grrrr.
 
Apple owns a telco hub system and building. They distribute loads via Akami and Google.

You might get a few "try later" messages on Day 1 of iPhone 2, but those users who get a handshake will get joy and the capacity is truly massive.

"Later" will be measured in tens of minutes not hours or days.

Rocketman
 
SkippyThorson said:
:eek: Can that really be said on here?

I'm horrible...
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you're horrible? heh...i also considered adding "and they're happy to see you." wow, i've been over on gizmodo too much lately. :D the earbud thing is so true though. eventually they will have to get rid of them, but until then i'm afraid they will milk those round, smooth, white pairs of buds for as long as they possibly can.
 
captain kaos said:
Ok, im not arguing the points that we know will come with the 3g phone, im just saying it doesnt matter how much steveo wants the 2nd gen to have the V2 software, things are getting tight and it might not happen. I know how much we all love Apple, but its just a company, and companies can get it wrong however much they try to meet the deadlines.

Who else here thinks as good as apple is, maybe they are up against heavy expectations and maybe, just maybe, they might mess this one up. All im saying is that it could be a slight delay in the V2 software.
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The green is easier to read than the yellow.
 
So the 2.0 software gets loaded on activation, big deal. If the software is just sitting on a computer at an Apple or AT&T store, it wouldn't add much time at all. I'd even be willing to bet the 3G phones in the warehouse have NOTHING loaded on them at the moment.

As far as hving an icon that doesn't work, just click on your iTunes app when your not on wifi. Doesn't work.

A2DP isn't going to happen. Apple have already paid the comapny that produces the codecs for the Bluetooth chip, which include EDR and A2DP. Its a full featured software, with all the bells and whistles. If we don't have stereo Bluetooth or file transfer by now, there's a reason.
 
dicklacara said:
Let's see, New OS X; New iPhone Firmware; New iPhone OS; New MobileMe; New iLife apps, iWork apps, Mail, Address Book, iCal, iTunes, iPhoto, Aperture, AppleTV to interface MobileMe... are updates that immediately come to mind.
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Other than the 2.0 Firmware, iTunes, and the launch of MobileMe, there's no word of any of the other things you've itemized as being updated. Apple has bigger updates every time the Mac OS is revised (like 10.5.3, which was over 400MB for some).

Even if all of it were to be updated, it's still be manageable, as they've had similarly complex simultaneous updates in the past.
 
arn said:
moved to page 2. gizmodo updated the story

" Also, remember that releasing a Golden Master internally or to developers doesn't mean releasing it to the general public. As announced publicly during WWDC, Apple will make the update available in July.
"

arn
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I totally called this.

"Gizmodo loves playing word games with stories like this to drive up page views and ad revenue. Don't believe the hype.

True, Apple may have an internal "Gold Master" copy done by this Friday. This would be more or less unverifiable to the general public though, unless 2.0 is released that day, which I doubt will happen.

I do think there may be some legitimacy to the suggestion that 2.0 may be released earlier than July 11th, with App Store functionality going Live on July 11th.

In order to reign in my own expectations and not to be let down with any promise of an earlier release date, I'm just sticking with the fact that everything will be released July 11th. "
 
It seems most if not all of you folks are speaking from a USERS point of view... I just wanted to let it be known to the world that upwards of 90% (a totally made up stat btw) have been developing iPhone/Touch Applications and have been FORCED into only being able to test in in a 'virtual hardware' software application.

If the firmware is GM the developers had better be able to get their hands on it ASAP... and when I say developers I mean ALL of them not just those who have been 'chosen' to have special privileges. If developers don't get access to the firmware PRIOR TO the users this will be a disaster.. Knowing how ADC operates it wouldn't be a shock tho.

Dave
 
DaveGee said:
It seems most if not all of you folks are speaking from a USERS point of view... I just wanted to let it be known to the world that upwards of 90% (a totally made up stat btw) have been developing iPhone/Touch Applications and have been FORCED into only being able to test in in a 'virtual hardware' software application.

If the firmware is GM the developers had better be able to get their hands on it ASAP... and when I say developers I mean ALL of them not just those who have been 'chosen' to have special privileges. If developers don't get access to the firmware PRIOR TO the users this will be a disaster.. Knowing how ADC operates it wouldn't be a shock tho.

Dave
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I thought you had to pony up $99 to get access to the 2.0 FW?
 
/dev/toaster said:
I have a feeling 2.0 will be released before 3G. Launching it without the AppStore really makes sense, here is why I am thinking this:

- Apple wants to see if someone can jailbreak it. This would give them a few weeks to give it before the apps come into play.
- Full scale tests of the underlying system without the Apps skewing the results
- The 3G launch will be at least 2 - 3 times the traffic as last time. They will need to double or triple their infrastructure. Having people downloading both the 2.0 fireware, new Apps and activating 3G phones would be a nightmare.
- The 3G phone will have 2.0 at start, so those (on a few blogs) who say it will be released after the 3G launch are smoking crack. No way Apple backported 3G to it.
- Create a larger buzz around the 3G phone, which Apple doesn't really need to do since everyone and their brother wants one right now.

As far as it launching on Friday, sounds plausible. It also sounds reasonable that they would launch 2.0 this Friday, and AppStore next week. That will give them a week to fix the issues on both layers before the 3G iPhone is released.
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I agree with everything you said here, except for 2.0 then the AppStore... there's no way in hell they would release one without the other. They'll definitely do it at the same time.
 
SpinThis! said:
Of course, blame the phone—not your lack of game—because you couldn't get her digits. Make her jump through your hoops, not hers.
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What can i say, i like my women like that, but you get my point i hope, it's just redicilus, hope i spelled that right ,lol.
 
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