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Which I actually would argue it is... If you could look beyond the bezels for a second, pretty much everything else has been tweaked or updated... To me that's pretty damn good...

If I were to upgrade my iPhone this year I would go for an iPhone 8 Plus and not the X... The X is gorgeous but expensive, a lot of first gen stuff in it, and very hard to get... iPhone 8/8 Plus is as good as the X, just not as gorgeous and my phone is an extensive work horse, so 8 Plus is a great phone.
Little tweaks and updates in all features happen with every iPhone. The reason I believe 6s and 7 sold well was maybe because a lot of people were transitioning from the 4 inch to 4.7 inch form factor. We now have almost the same design for 4 years. So there is no good reason for people who are using 6s or 7 (my 6s is rock solid) to upgrade. Just my opinion.
 
I agree, but I think there' a hurdle mentally by crossing into 4 digits for a phone. Heck, I think you can configure the iPhone 8/8+ and include taxes so that its over a grand as well.

My consternation is that the X represents a shift in the pricing model, or to put it another way, the new normal. If Apple is charging this much for the X in 2017, 2018 it will not be less expensive but more likely more expensive.

Yeah... I think maybe going to 899 instead of 999 for the entry-level iPhone X would have chilled some people out.
 
Also, who wants an iPhone 6? Because that's what the 8 is. Better components, yes. But what people truly care about is form.
That's certainly what this thread is about. "Who wants a 4 year old design?" is not necessarily on the mind of all potential Apple customers.
 
“Waiting for the iPhone X” is what I keep hearing people say around me.
And when I ask them about the price they tell me: “It’s only $200 more”.
If I was going to buy a phone this year, I would get the iPhone X too; but I’m not. I’m keeping my SE for another year. I carry my iPad everywhere I go, so I don’t need a phone with a larger display at this time.

Ha! I am actually planning on buying the SE to replace my 6! I am cheap! I want 8+ for the camera but it is too friggin huge. I keep trying to convince myself about 8+ but get put off every time in the store and try the phone. So if I am going with a 8 size, I might as well buy a size I actually like. And the SE internals are decent enough with the same camera as 6S. So it will keep me going for an year or two. I wonder if I should consider 6s for the snappier touchID and force-touch and live photos though
 
What are you basing this on? What would make it a significant upgrade “tech wise”? And if the 8 isn’t a significant upgrade what the heck was the 6s (or 7 for that matter)? Apple didn’t seem to have trouble selling either of those phones.
Almost all people I know who use iPhones, use them for 2-3 years. So when 6s and 7 was launched, there is a good chance people were upgrading to a larger screen size. That is not the case with 8. All updates are incremental, except the glass back for wireless charging (which is not really wireless). Just my opinion.
 
The average Apple consumer is confused about the multiple versions and the pricing. Its quite possible that many people don't buy anything as a result.
oh please - if the "average" android customer can figure out that mess i'm sure the iphone customer will manage with a few differently priced versions.
 
I think you are underestimating the tech of the 8. What tech did either the 6s or 7 have compared to previous years that would dictate having “more” tech advancements than what the 8 offers?
Please read my opinion above.
 
I'm not buying into the "everybody is waiting for the iPhone X" excuse.

I guess you should, take it from someone that hated the X the first day, friday got myself an iPhone 8 Plus and just couldn't see anything worth against my 6s Plus and the same boring design, return it saturday morning and right now I can't wait for the iPhone X, every time I look at it the more I love it, I don't even care about the notch any more.
 
I'm not buying into the "everybody is waiting for the iPhone X" excuse.
Well you should! Everybody I know that were thinking to update their iPhone this year, including myself, are waiting to buy the X ! At least every 5th of my coworkers.
 
well, if your phone is financed, you're looking at maybe an $8/month deduction..

regardless, having $200 deducted from a paycheck is not an equal situation to spending $200 more on an item.. they are very different scenarios.

I think you will find in both scenarios you have $200 less in your pocket - anyhow my point was meant in jest and tongue in cheek.
 
I think you will find in both scenarios you have $200 less in your pocket - anyhow my point was meant in jest and tonge in cheek.

i know.
just that one is against your will and one you are willing. ;)
that's the difference.
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what? crazy.

iirc, i'd spend ~$30 to have the back glass on a 4s replaced.. and i broke it a couple of times.
 
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Why buy an inferior ancient looking product when a superior product is available just a few weeks later?

In all fairness, the jury is still out on whether the X will offer any practical performance improvements. Some bench results of the 8 model are predicting the 8 will have some practical advantages over the X. The X’s feature set may simply be different, rather than superior.

The 8’s aesthetic is probably stale to an easily bored culture, but the guts aren’t ancient. The facial recognition feature in the new X… the underlying technology for that feature is much older. it was used in the Microsoft Kinect motion controller which debuted in yr. 2010.

One lesson that repeats itself without fail: never buy the first version of something new. It’s wiser to buy a proven product and let impatient people road test new products for you.
 
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in the situation Apple as presented this year...
you can buy the X and if you don't like it, fall back on the 8 ;)
so in that regard, the X can be viewed as a safer buy than typical first iteration products.

or, if there were only an X revealed this year and no 8, i'd probably be a little more hesitant about being an early adopter.
 
I agree, but I think there' a hurdle mentally by crossing into 4 digits for a phone. My consternation is that the X represents a shift in the pricing model, or to put it another way, the new normal. If Apple is charging this much for the X in 2017, 2018 it will not be less expensive but more likely more expensive.
But when the levee breaks....the 4 digit taboo will be broken
 
There's just not enough "new" to make it a worthwhile upgrade for most. I've got a 7 plus. Buying the 8 plus I'd get:
1. Wireless charging. Ok, neat. But also, so what? I charge my phone at night when I'm heading to bed, so I could care less if it charges wirelessly or the "old fashioned" way.
2. Better camera - Photography is a hobby of mine so I'm willing to bet that my DSLR will blow this out of the water. That and the one on the 7 Plus isn't bad at all.
3. Faster processor. Ok, yes. But it's not that different.
4. Glass body. Again, neat. But not enough for me to upgrade.

I think that's all the "upgrades" since the iPhone 7/7 Plus. I'll sit this one out.
 
But when the levee breaks....the 4 digit taboo will be broken
It will, not question, but I think also it can possibly boomerang on them and long term bite them. Cook recently was quoted as stating that the his products are not just for the rich, and I know they offer the SE and older models for less, but my point is if they're pricing the phones so high, people may be less inclined to spend 1,000 annually and lets not kid ourselves. All the carriers and Apple market the phones, and try to entice people to do just that.

I don't know what the future will hold, but I personally have a difficult time justifying the expense. I can afford it, and my company offers a 50% reimbursement, so my out of pocket expense is much lower then many others, but even so. I'm having having an issue justifying the expense.
 
iPhone 8 is an excellent phone, but design is its biggest weaknes (who knew something like that could happen to an apple product..but here we are)
 
I'm pretty sure that if they'd added a few colors to this phone, people would think it was exciting, even with the bezels.

It's funny what people consider to be an upgrade, because the wireless charging, camera update, and speed bump are enough reasons for people on the 6, 6s to upgrade to the 8. But, people think of "innovation" as "looks different." So, I say that if they'd had one that was blue, one that was purple, kept the red, etc... people would be excited.
I disagree.
The color options have already been tried (silver, space grey, gold,rose gold, matt black, jet black even red).very few people would be excited and rush to buy it because of a new color,it's a 4 years old body and majority of users have experienced at least one or two colors of this design.

no one thinks innovation means different look, and I didn't even mentioned word innovation.

the truth is the design of this phone is 4 years old and very out-dated now.no matter how much improvements they implement inside (actually they just slightly improved it to begin with nothing innovative with iPhone 8 really but thats a different subject) the outer design of the phone looks outdated comared to other top phones.

design and looks are as as important as the technology and features.specially with a brand like Apple,design is a core element.

when people see phones like Galaxy S8 and S8 Plus,and when they hear rumours and then confirmation of iPhone X which is a true upgrade both in design and in technology department , it's very natural that they have little or no interest in a slightly faster than old model in same old boring outdated body.
there is no way different colors could have changed that.

ps wireless charging is no Apple innovation and been there for ages used by others and camera upgrade is marginal improvements barely noticeable in real life and a very common and usual update in every cycles so one should be very easily pleased to get excited because these improvements alone in this day and age.
 
It's the same design for forth Year, people are not that intrested. Most of the buyers are waiting for iPhone X which will be significant lead over the previous models.
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Even the X is not significant. A nicer, more real estate screen, wireless charging and unproven faceid. Nothing to spend $1,000+ on.
 
I disagree.
The color options have already been tried (silver, space grey, gold,rose gold, matt black, jet black even red).very few people would be excited and rush to buy it because of a new color,it's a 4 years old body and majority of users have experienced at least one or two colors of this design.

no one thinks innovation means different look, and I didn't even mentioned word innovation.

the truth is the design of this phone is 4 years old and very out-dated now.no matter how much improvements they implement inside (actually they just slightly improved it to begin with nothing innovative with iPhone 8 really but thats a different subject) the outer design of the phone looks outdated comared to other top phones.

design and looks are as as important as the technology and features.specially with a brand like Apple,design is a core element.

when people see phones like Galaxy S8 and S8 Plus,and when they hear rumours and then confirmation of iPhone X which is a true upgrade both in design and in technology department , it's very natural that they have little or no interest in a slightly faster than old model in same old boring outdated body.
there is no way different colors could have changed that.

ps wireless charging is no Apple innovation and been there for ages used by others and camera upgrade is marginal improvements barely noticeable in real life and a very common and usual update in every cycles so one should be very easily pleased to get excited because these improvements alone in this day and age.

I really was speaking of the general public and not people who post on MR and have to have the latest and greatest Apple stuff.

I know plenty of people who'd be over the moon if they could buy a blue iPhone with a better camera and wireless charging.

I doubt any of them care that it looks, in most other respects, pretty much the same as the model before it. They're just not that discerning. They're people whose phones are paid off and they want a new one.
 
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