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iPhone 8 flopping already...

mrskullfreak said:
Me either and am still having a hard time not ordering one ugh.
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If you buy one now and the X is backordered for 6 months.. you will be happy... If you wait for the X and it is backordered for 6 months... you will be mad.

If you buy the X and 9 months later the XI also includes touch ID... you will be furious..

But on the rarest case.... you wake up at 3AM... complete an order in 5 minutes and have your X delivered a week later.... You will still find something to complain about on the X phone... same way touch ID failed so much when it first came out.... or Watch 0 issues.... or anything else in its first run...
 
fatalogic said:
I for one am happy with the supply/ demand ratio. Why would people want demand to grossly outpace supply. Last year I just gave up and waited 2 months to get my iPhone and this year I just went to T-Mobile and ordered it no problem. People should be able to get the products they want when they want. Supply constrains wether real or business strategy are horrible for consumers.
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People think huge backlogs are indicative of huge sales (even though they may be the result of short supply), which makes them think the phone is a runaway success.

People here tend to like having the next hot ticket item first, and having a lot of phones available for launch cuts down on their bragging rights/sense of superiority.
 
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When The iPhone 7 series was launched
There were Two Different Sizes 7 & 7+
By Three Different Memory Configurations 32, 128, 256
By Five Different Colors Jet Black, Black, Silver, Gold, Rose Gold ( technically there was a red but introduced much later)
By Two different Carrier band models GSM, CDMA
Size(2) x Memory (3) x Color (5) x Band (2) = OR Sixty Different Pre Order Combinations

And You Wonder why there wasn't enough of certain Popular Combinations to go around ?

There were Two Different Sizes 8 & 8+
By Two Different Memory Configurations 64, 256
By Three Different Colors Space Gray, Silver, Gold
By Two different Carrier band models GSM, CDMA
Size(2) x Memory (2) x Color (3) x Band (2) = OR Twenty Four Different Pre Order Combinations

And yes I know there are special no sim, no GPS, country specific models, blah blah blah

But the basic premise is fewer combinations X more production capacity = less wait time

Extending the X Out until October gives them a month more to ramp up

For The X There is ONE Size
By Two Different Memory Configurations 64, 256
By Two Different Colors Space Gray, Silver
By Two different Carrier band models GSM, CDMA
Size(1) x Memory (2) x Color (2) x Band (2) = OR 8 Different Combinations.....

If they do sell out it will be all demand.
 
Back when the Watch 0 came out... there were supply constraints because of production issues.../ changes.... and an under estimation of demand... This led to months and months of short supply.

Today 66% of last years total first day 7 buyers bought and the 8... so supply is still available.. the other 34% are waiting for the X... or come up with your own %.
 
Wags said:
The 8 is mostly here because Apple couldn't deliver X. Keynote would have been another announced product not to be seen anytime soon and what it's position will be with against other oled smart phones. Stock market would not be happy. Even with October launch who knows when will get.
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The X is actually the release aberration for Apple.

The 8 fills the role the 7S would have played.
 
Technarchy said:
The X is actually the release aberration for Apple.

The 8 fills the role the 7S would have played.
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I think had Apple been able to get a plentiful supply of OLED screens and had been able to integrate TouchID below the screen, they would have done a 7s, no Plus version, and would have sold the X as the replacement for the Plus.

I think next year the X is going to be the baseline phone, they'll introduce an X Plus, and everyone who loves TouchID will be holding their breath to see if Apple brings it back. I can imagine a lot of people holding onto the 8/8 Plus for another year or two if Apple still has kinks to work out on the X line.
 
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ricktat said:
uy the X and 9 months later the XI also includes touch ID... you will be furious..
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ricktat said:
If you buy one now and the X is backordered for 6 months.. you will be happy... If you wait for the X and it is backordered for 6 months... you will be mad.

If you buy the X and 9 months later the XI also includes touch ID... you will be furious..

But on the rarest case.... you wake up at 3AM... complete an order in 5 minutes and have your X delivered a week later.... You will still find something to complain about on the X phone... same way touch ID failed so much when it first came out.... or Watch 0 issues.... or anything else in its first run...
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Why would apple add back in Touch ID, they claim it's far less secure.
1:50,000 vs 1:1,000,000

They would have to admit they lied about the security of FaceID by adding TouchID back in.
 
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Menel said:
Why would apple add back in Touch ID, they claim it's far less secure.
1:50,000 vs 1:1,000,000

They would have to admit they lied about the security of FaceID by adding TouchID back in.
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They wouldn't have to admit they lied, they can still say that FaceID is more secure, but TouchID is very popular and convenient, and still quite secure as far as these things go.
 
Menel said:
Why would apple add back in Touch ID, they claim it's far less secure.
1:50,000 vs 1:1,000,000

They would have to admit they lied about the security of FaceID by adding TouchID back in.
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Apple also criticized the stylus and then brought out Apple Pencil. This wouldn't be the first time they changed their mind on something.
 
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Crazy that all versions of the 8+ on ATT are still available in one form or another. Silver and gold 256 are available for delivery on 22nd. And space gray is available to pick up at local apple store....guess no one really wants these things
 
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Supermallet said:
I think had Apple been able to get a plentiful supply of OLED screens and had been able to integrate TouchID below the screen, they would have done a 7s, no Plus version, and would have sold the X as the replacement for the Plus.

I think next year the X is going to be the baseline phone, they'll introduce an X Plus, and everyone who loves TouchID will be holding their breath to see if Apple brings it back. I can imagine a lot of people holding onto the 8/8 Plus for another year or two if Apple still has kinks to work out on the X line.
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If that's the case it would need a big price drop. £100 would still make it £900 and £200 more than the 8.

LED screens will be here for a bit yet I think.
 
Tim Cook was always known as a supply chain genius, and he is running things with master skill for the iPhone 8 / X launch. No doubt that the iPhone 7 factory process was easily converted to build iPhone 8, so Apple was able to build large stock, enough to mostly accommodate pre-order demand for the first time ever. That's a great accomplishment! X probably has a whole new factory process that's ramping up, so they pushed the order date back to allow inventory to grow.

BRILLIANT work by Tim Cook, managing logistics as always.
 
Ok..I wont say a "flop." True, I didn't have to stay up until 3am to pre order this. I could have done that at 11am this morning and STILL get it next Friday. Just in past pre-order experience I didn't expect that and I wasn't about to take that chance.

I will be interested in a possible big spike of 8, 8+ sales when they can't get the super high demand X on Oct 27, seeing they won't be able to get it until early,mid...even late Dec into early Jan. Then cancel the order and then order the 8. Or maybe..say forget it, I wont upgrade at all.
 
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PhillyGuy72 said:
Ok..I wont say a "flop." True, I didn't have to stay up until 3am to pre order this. I could have done that at 11am this morning and STILL get it next Friday. Just in past pre-order experience I didn't expect that and I wasn't about to take that chance.

I will be interested in a possible big spike of 8, 8+ sales when they can't get the super high demand X on Oct 27, seeing they won't be able to get it until early,mid...even late Dec into early Jan. Then cancel the order and then order the 8. Or maybe..say forget it, I wont upgrade at all.
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Last year for the 7 there were a few models (not jet black) on different carriers you could preorder the next morning and still get the following week as well. No one will know the true demand or supply until the next quarterly call.
 
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Fragmentation can damage a brand.

Reality is, most people upgrade a phone for irrational reasons, they just "have" to "have" the latest and greatest.

If Apple had only released the 8 this year, it'd be sold out for certain, even though it's barely an upgrade over the 7 it wouldn't matter, everyone would still have to have it.

Now, Apple releases the 8, but also releases the 10 at the same time. The 10 renders the 8 "old" immediately reduces that subconscious irrational need to own it.

The X however is going to be so incredibly difficult to get that people are going to be paying $3000 and $4000 on eBay just to own one, after a few weeks of consumers realizing the lack of supply means it might be a year before they can buy one, could potentially drive them back into the Apple stores to buy the 8 anyways. Just so they feel like they have the "newest" reasonably affordable product.

Same for the Apple Watch. VERY few people will ever find real use in the LTE functionality, but look at their website, all the LTE models are sold out while the GPS only models are mostly still available for 22nd delivery.

Apple mastered the mental game of retail decades ago, they know what drives us to buy and it certainly isn't necessity. This time however, they kind of stumbled, releasing two new phone models means one will not sell as well as it would have otherwise.
 
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