iPhone SE and the missing barometer

[C DM]

I'd never known any iPhone had a barometer until this thread appeared. Having used (many) iPhones without it, one with it (iPhone 6), and now another without it (SE), I can honestly say I haven't the slightest idea (this thread aside) what good it was doing me or what I'm apparently now missing out on.

Not sure how you've been able to manage and get along with something as "crucial" as that. 😉

 

[AVN6293]

I'd never known any iPhone had a barometer until this thread appeared. Having used (many) iPhones without it, one with it (iPhone 6), and now another without it (SE), I can honestly say I haven't the slightest idea (this thread aside) what good it was doing me or what I'm apparently now missing out on.

I think that's part of the issue. Apple primarily has always been a company that's been about quality. You see this in the metal, manufacturing and strenuous public beta testing they do with iOS and all their iDevices. So when they put out the SE without the barometer, few noticed. When people hear barometer the first thing that pops into their head is 'oh that thing that talks about the weather * '?. No one really (not even some developers for that matter) take the time to think about how the lack of a feature would effect other systems on a granular level and then users for the long term. The SE is still a good phone compared to the 5s. But unless you absolutely need apple pay support; not worth the $400+ investment IMHO. Apple needs to wake up. It's 2016 and cutting corners smeared with hype is not going to fool anyone.

 

[lordofthereef]

After today's keynote I'm more disappointed with lack of 3D Touch than the barometer :/

 

[C DM]

I think that's part of the issue. Apple primarily has always been a company that's been about quality. You see this in the metal, manufacturing and strenuous public beta testing they do with iOS and all their iDevices. So when they put out the SE without the barometer, few noticed. When people hear barometer the first thing that pops into their head is 'oh that thing that talks about the weather * '?. No one really (not even some developers for that matter) take the time to think about how the lack of a feature would effect other systems on a granular level and then users for the long term. The SE is still a good phone compared to the 5s. But unless you absolutely need apple pay support; not worth the 400$ investment IMHO. Apple needs to wake up. It's 2016 and cutting corners smeared with hype is not going to fool anyone.

The lack of barometer doesn't really change anything for the vast majority that are getting the phone.

 

[AVN6293]

The lack of barometer doesn't really change anything for the vast majority that are getting the phone.

Aside from taking a easy extra $250+ out of their pocket on average. No not much.

Unless they get it on contract which is far worse.

 

[QCassidy352]

The SE is still a good phone compared to the 5s. But unless you absolutely need apple pay support; not worth the $400+ investment IMHO. Apple needs to wake up. It's 2016 and cutting corners smeared with hype is not going to fool anyone.

I'm not sure why you're comparing it to the 5s, which is no longer sold. The choice is between the SE and the 6/6s. The 5s is out of play.

This is a phone priced $250 below the "flagship" model. It's pretty obvious it's not going to have every single feature found on a phone that costs 50% more. The lack of a barometer (and 3D Touch) is a VERY small price to pay for that kind of savings.

 

[AVN6293]

I'm not sure why you're comparing it to the 5s, which is no longer sold. The choice is between the SE and the 6/6s. The 5s is out of play.

I'm comparing them because of the form factor. That is pretty damn obvious no?

This is a phone priced $250 below the "flagship" model. It's pretty obvious it's not going to have every single feature found on a phone that costs 50% more. The lack of a barometer (and 3D Touch) is a VERY small price to pay for that kind of savings.

As we have covered exhaustively in this thread it's not. And todays keynote just emphasizes this for 3D touch to GREAT extent. If you read my comments about the barometer you will see things are bad. Very bad. I know its hard to accept. I feel bad about it myself.

edit:
As for not being available you make a good point. Finding a used device in truth be told condition with a healthy battery is a chore. But worth it IMHO.

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..... Especially if you can find a 5s that has BiteSMS support.

 

[C DM]

Aside from taking a easy extra $250+ out of their pocket on average. No not much.

Unless they get it on contract which is far worse.

Extra $250? As in compared to an old phone like a 5s? Seems like a reasonable price for something much newer.

 

[AVN6293]

Extra $250? As in compared to an old phone like a 5s? Seems like a reasonable price for something much newer.

If all you are looking at is raw power at this point we are not going to see eye to eye.

 

[QCassidy352]

As we have covered exhaustively in this thread it's not. And todays keynote just emphasizes this for 3D touch to GREAT extent. If you read my comments about the barometer you will see things are bad. Very bad. I know its hard to accept. I feel bad about it myself.

What we've covered is that you have some odd hang up about this particular feature that causes you to value it in gross disproportion to the way 99.9% of people see it. So the SE is not the phone for you. And that's ok.

What baffles me though - I mean truly baffles me - is how you can be so myopic as to assume that what matters to you matters to most people, even in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary (the responses in this thread, the fact that the SE is sold out everywhere, the fact that basically no review even mentions this issue, the fact that the barometer was introduced to the 6 with basically no fanfare at all, etc).

I mean, I get it. I have odd hang ups about certain features too. I have zero interest in the Apple Watch because it doesn't have a standalone GPS. I hate the new iPad Pro because it has a camera bump. I'd take an iPad air 2 over the new pro solely for that reason. Seriously. The difference between me and you though, is that I understand that these are my specific preferences/idiosyncrasies and not actually serious objective flaws with the products.

 

[I7guy]

If all you are looking at is raw power at this point we are not going to see eye to eye.

You are not going to see eye to eye with anybody because your views on this, which are your views, are way off center to what the majority of people believe is the relative importance in relation to the product.

 

[iThat]

What we've covered is that you have some odd hang up about this particular feature that causes you to value it in gross disproportion to the way 99.9% of people see it. So the SE is not the phone for you. And that's ok.

What baffles me though - I mean truly baffles me - is how you can be so myopic as to assume that what matters to you matters to most people, even in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary (the responses in this thread, the fact that the SE is sold out everywhere, the fact that basically no review even mentions this issue, the fact that the barometer was introduced to the 6 with basically no fanfare at all, etc).

I mean, I get it. I have odd hang ups about certain features too. I have zero interest in the Apple Watch because it doesn't have a standalone GPS. I hate the new iPad Pro because it has a camera bump. I'd take an iPad air 2 over the new pro solely for that reason. Seriously. The difference between me and you though, is that I understand that these are my specific preferences/idiosyncrasies and not actually serious objective flaws with the products.

If this is being myopic then i should see a doctor too i guess, right?

You are not going to see eye to eye with anybody because your views on this, which are your views, are way off center to what the majority of people believe is the relative importance in relation to the product.

They are not JUST one persons views. Many others including me share the same obvious concerns about the missing barometer in relation to what was recently mentioned. And much more as well.

To recap:

• Location support
  Which has a effect on:
  - GPS Lock time.
  - Battery Life. YES battery life, read through the posts about dopplershift and burn-in.
  - Location Accuracy especially at high speeds. Anything OVER 70 has doppler potential.
  - Always on local POR / POI with great shelf accuracy. Which works without network connection too.
• Altimeter support
  - Altimeter data
  - Incline support Hiking, biking etc.
• Weather models
  - Crowed sourcing pressure data
  - Improving existing weather model accuracy
  - Standalone local barometric pressure data. Also works without network connection.
• Medical applications
  - Pain management point of reference ...Think like sinus pressure headaches etc..
  - Diagnostic tool
• Future applications that haven't even been invented yet.

So there is all that and on a very personal note I also feel it would make a good compliment to any existing diagnostic tools as well, THAT is my only myopic view.

Also let me reiterate, it's not just a matter of what information the pressure sensor gives us. It's also what info the pressure sensor gives us while the device is moving to the tune of the accelerometer and gyroscope and without.

 

[I7guy]

If this is being myopic then i should see a doctor too i guess, right?




They are not JUST one persons views. Many others including me share the same obvious concerns about the missing barometer in relation to what was recently mentioned. And much more as well.

To recap:

• Location support
  Which has a effect on:
  - GPS Lock time.
  - Battery Life. YES battery life, read through the posts about dopplershift and burn-in.
  - Location Accuracy especially at high speeds. Anything OVER 70 has doppler potential.
  - Always on local POR / POI with great shelf accuracy. Which works without network connection too.
• Altimeter support
  - Altimeter data
  - Incline support Hiking, biking etc.
• Weather models
  - Crowed sourcing pressure data
  - Improving existing weather model accuracy
  - Standalone local barometric pressure data. Also works without network connection.
• Medical applications
  - Pain management point of reference ...Think like sinus pressure headaches etc..
  - Diagnostic tool
• Future applications that haven't even been invented yet.

So there is all that and on a very personal note I also feel it would make a good compliment to any existing diagnostic tools as well, THAT is my only myopic view.

Define many. How many tens of millions have bought this device in relation to the number of people bemoaning the lack of hardware features in a discount device?

are you berating Apple because they didn't include a feature you wanted or yourself for being duped into thinking less money gets you flagship device.

Your option is to buy a flagship device and not a discount model.

 

[iThat]

Define many. How many tens of millions have bought this device in relation to the number of people bemoaning the lack of hardware features in a discount device?

are you berating Apple because they didn't include a feature you wanted or yourself for being duped into thinking less money gets you flagship device.

Your option is to buy a flagship device and not a discount model.

I'm not berating apple at all. On the contrary, I hope apple and us all will learn from our combined healthy discussion. And the next time they put out a device with the same form factor sell 1000x that number.
I did not buy the SE myself and haven't planned to. I know others will and have purchased one being the sheeple on demand generation they will be without looking into specifics. I think it's pretty obvious though as others have mentioned, the only real tangible thing the SE brings to users who want to readopt this form factor is apple pay, which is great if you need that sort of thing.

 

[I7guy]

I'm not berating apple at all. On the contrary, I hope apple and us all will learn from our combined healthy discussion. And the next time they put out a device with the same form factor sell 1000x that number.
I did not buy the SE myself and haven't planned to. I know others will and have purchased one being the sheeple they will be without looking into specifics. I think it's pretty obvious though as others have mentioned, the only real tangible thing the SE brings to users who want to readopt this form factor is apple pay, which is great if you need that sort of thing.

Your pejorative/bias of "sheeple" is unneeded and shows the disdain and bias of your thinking. Some people want a basic device, which the SE is. A device that sits between a former flagship and a current flagship. Email Tim Cook, he instep one making the decisions. Apple doesn't seem to react to core group of small posters in an anonymous Internet forum.

 

[iThat]

Your pejorative/bias of "sheeple" is unneeded and shows the disdain and bias of your thinking. Some people want a basic device, which the SE is. A device that sits between a former flagship and a current flagship. Email Tim Cook, he instep one making the decisions. Apple doesn't seem to react to core group of small posters in an anonymous Internet forum.

Yea sheeple isn't the ideal word. That's why i changed that to "on demand generation". I think that fits much better.

EDIT:
As for Tim cook, i don't know the man. He could secretly be a axe murderer for all I know, or mother tere`sa reincarnated. Apple doesn't need to listen, people who work for apple and buy their products do though. And the investors do too.
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After today's keynote I'm more disappointed with lack of 3D Touch than the barometer :/

See i like many others here feel the opposite way. Especially with all the healthkit advancements will have with the pressure sensor. Isn't having opinions a great thing 🙂

 

[lordofthereef]

See i feel the opposite way. Especially with all the healthkit advancements. Isn't having opinions a great thing 🙂

They are!

It's worth noting that this is a secondary device for me (it's actually my sons that I occasionally steal when I need something small). I feel like getting used to using 3D Touch in iOS 10 on a 6s plus might prove for a bit of a jarring user experience jumping into a phone without it.

 

[iThat]

They are!

It's worth noting that this is a secondary device for me (it's actually my sons that I occasionally steal when I need something small). I feel like getting used to using 3D Touch in iOS 10 on a 6s plus might prove for a bit of a jarring user experience jumping into a phone without it.

lol A quote comes to mind. Rumble young man! rumble! 😀


Good point about it being a jarring experience, i can definitely see that. I wonder if 3D touch can be turned off or not with a user profile.

 

[I7guy]

Yea sheeple isn't the ideal word. That's why i changed that to "on demand generation". I think that fits much better.

EDIT:
As for Tim cook, i don't know the man. He could secretly be a axe murderer for all I know, or mother tere`sa reincarnated. Apple doesn't need to listen, people who work for apple and buy their products do though. And the investors do too.
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See i like many others here feel the opposite way. Especially with all the healthkit advancements will have with the pressure sensor. Isn't having opinions a great thing 🙂

What? Axe murderer? I can't get your line of thinking. If you want a change there are legitimate ways to get that accomplished.

If you want all the features buy a flagship device. Buyers remorse has no place here and while I'm not defending apples decision, I can't in all good conscious agree with your criticism of Apple because you don't want to spend the money for a flagship.

 

[iThat]

What? Axe murderer? I can't get your line of thinking. If you want a change there are legitimate ways to get that accomplished.

If you want all the features buy a flagship device. Buyers remorse has no place here and while I'm not defending apples decision, I can't in all good conscious agree with your criticism of Apple because you don't want to spend the money for a flagship.

What vilification would you have chosen? Serial rapist? Genocidal madman? Lucifer? I'm sorry i don't know the man personally, other than him being the CEO of a fortune 100 co.
But if you think he's even worse than a axe murderer one wonders why you are on this forum to begin with.

Like i said from the beginning. I don't own a SE and haven't planned to. I like many others here are concerned about the large shift in apples shortsightedness.

 

[C DM]

What vilification would you have chosen? Serial rapist? Genocidal madman? Lucifer? I'm sorry i don't know the man personally, other than him being the CEO of a fortune 100 co.
But if you think he's even worse than a axe murderer one wonders why you are on this forum to begin with.

Like i said from the beginning. I don't own a SE and haven't planned to. I like many others here are concerned about the large shift in apples shortsightedness.

Yeah, nothing about what the thread is about implies any of that.

 

[iThat]

Yeah, nothing about what the thread is about implies any of that.

Like i said since 17guy brought him up. I don't know the man. Few on here have even met him in person.
I would imagine he is a very private person. He could be the epitome of evil or the strongest force for justice and empathy. We just don't know.

I only knew steve jobs from my contacts with Network Solutions and NEXT back in the 90's. He was much like the hacker types we know today. Anonymous, john McAfee, Ian murdock type personality. I also never had the pleasure of speaking to him in person. But i know he had a drive to change the world. Something that has yet to be seen with even so much as a clue with Tim cook at the helm.

 

[I7guy]

Like i said since 17guy brought him up. I don't know the man. Few on here have even met him in person.
I would imagine he is a very private person. He could be the epitome of evil or the strongest force for justice and empathy. We just don't know.

I only knew steve jobs from my contacts with Network Solutions and NEXT back in the 90's. He was much like the hacker types we know today. Anonymous, john McAfee, Ian murdock type personality. I also never had the pleasure of speaking to him in person. But i know he had a drive to change the world. Something that has yet to be seen with even so much as a clue with Tim cook at the helm.

Your train of Thought makes no sense. If you are unhappy with a company's product one avenue is to contact the ceo, which in this case is tim cook. I doubt this will have any affect on the future, but if your conscious is clear after doing this...go for it.

 

[C DM]

Like i said since 17guy brought him up. I don't know the man. Few on here have even met him in person.
I would imagine he is a very private person. He could be the epitome of evil or the strongest force for justice and empathy. We just don't know.

I only knew steve jobs from my contacts with Network Solutions and NEXT back in the 90's. He was much like the hacker types we know today. Anonymous, john McAfee, Ian murdock type personality. I also never had the pleasure of speaking to him in person. But i know he had a drive to change the world. Something that has yet to be seen with even so much as a clue with Tim cook at the helm.

That's not really even what I was referring to. But anyway, seems like things are mostly going in circles for the last page or two (or not more), so there's probably not much to add at this point (aside from going in the same circles over again).

 

[iThat]

Your train of Thought makes no sense. If you are unhappy with a company's product one avenue is to contact the ceo, which in this case is tim cook. I doubt this will have any affect on the future, but if your conscious is clear after doing this...go for it.

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That's not really even what I was referring to. But anyway, seems like things are mostly going in circles for the last page or two (or not more), so there's probably not much to add at this point (aside from going in the same circles over again).

17guy is the one that brought up the CEO not me. Like i said i don't know him and have no grievances with him or the company at this time.